Vet P.O.V. Rimadyl: The Controversy

October 6th, 2006  

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I am getting ready to discuss some options with my own vet, but I like to get as much info. going in as possible. At the moment I have a almost (will be on the 17th) 13 year old - 100lb dog. He has had bad arthritis and possible HD for years, but recently he is having more difficulty getting up.

Last year he got loose and came home barely able to get up on his own. Took him to the vet who in the end thought he had just over done it. In the process of checking him out we had bloodwork done and his liver levels were elevated...so she didn't want to prescribe pain meds. Since then we haven't had anymore bloodwork done. I am planning on doing that as a first step- but if the results come back the same what are my best options?

Amanda October 6th, 2006 07:30:00 PM

Our vet does bloodwork before starting a dog on Rimadyl, then does mandatory blood work again after three weeks. We were told that if the liver looks fine after three weeks, then it will continue to be fine during long-term Rimadyl use. We've had our 100 lb. GSD on it since February (1 tablet per day, at bedtime), and it's really helped improve her mobility and attitude. We could give up to 2 per day, but I try to stick to one -- giving it at night helps her sleep well, and she wakes up without a lot of stiffness.

Leigh-Ann October 7th, 2006 01:57:00 AM

I find the same among dog owners on a message board I belong to. Any time a dog on Metacam looks crosswise, there is a panicky response that the Metacam is finally showing its true colors and killing the dog. Our dog has been taking it daily for two years with wonderful results for his quality of life and no ill effects.

I do feel it's very important to give owners a reasonable description of the risks - even though it may dissuade them from treating. I don't like giving my dog medications and then only later finding out about the risks associated with it. Case in point is gentamycin given for a minor ear problem that has resulted in deafness in three dogs just among the group of dogs with which I"m acquainted. I don't want gentamycin used in my dog's ears unless nothing else will solve the problem and the problem is so serious that it the risk is necessary. He is already blind, so I want to preserve his remaining senses. In each of the cases with which I'm familiar, the risk of the medication causing deafness was not raised with the owners before the medication was given.

The NSAIDS work very well for many many dogs and the ability to relieve chronic pain is a dramatic development in longevity care. I know our dog would be a much "older" dog without Metacam.

Natalie October 7th, 2006 03:58:00 PM

I've been enjoying this series on pain. When my now 14-year old dog was spayed as a puppy, there wasn't any pain medication--we were told that dogs don't process pain the same way people do. Things have come a long way! That 14-year old dog is now on daily Metacam (and supplements) for arthritis and doing pretty well. Our reaction when she went on Metacam was the same as many of Dr. Doolittler's clients--suddenly, old as she was, she seemed puppyish and energetic. We just hadn't realized pain was slowing her down so much. She hasn't had any problems on the Metacam--but we do get regular blood tests.

Arlene October 7th, 2006 07:43:00 PM

Amanda: Consider asking your vet how he would feel about prescribing Rimadyl anyway. If your dog has elevated liver enzymes, attempt to find out why first. Further testing (X-rays, ultrasound and/or more specific bloodwork) would be in order. Liver disease of some specific varieties do not preclude the use of NSAIDs. And if the liver looks great and the enzymes are elevated for another reason (like Cushing`s disease or steroid usage) then NSAIDs would be considered acceptable. Many times, even when owners do not want to go to this expense (or cannot) I offer the NSAIDs anyway. I give them the what-would-you-rather-have speech I mentioned in the post. Good luck!

Dr. Patty Khuly October 9th, 2006 03:13:00 PM

I have a mixed golden. I adopted her from a rescue when she was 2. She is now six. She always had trouble with her hips when she ran a lot. This past summer she was having a very difficult time standing up. Her walking seemed very painful til she got going. My vet started her on Gluocosime and that didn't help. She gave me trial samples for Rimadyl. I read the horror stories on the internet, call the vet, she gave me the pros and cons again. To make a long story short, my dog has been on Rimady for close to six months now. Granted it that it is a short time, but the change in her is like a miracle. She is like the 2 year old I found four years ago. Her blood work has tested fine. Hopefully it will continue to help her and none of the internet horror stories will be hers. Yes, Rimadyl causes terrible and sad reactions to dogs and one should be very cautious, as I was in the beginning. My main reasoning for continuing to try the rimadyl was that maybe my dog can tolerate the drug and most important I couldn't stand to see her suffer just trying to stand up. She would be unable to walk if nothing was done. In the end, so far, her quaility of life has improved and she is enjoying life. We will continue checking her blood. Time will tell if the Rimadyl takes it toll, if it does, for my dog anyway Rimadyl has given her a better quality of life and she is a happy dog once again.

kathy March 4th, 2007 10:08:00 AM

I found a 7 year old Schnauzer 4 years ago that was the best dog I have ever had and more than likely ever will. He had a back injury two years and healed pretty well. Well a few weeks ago he started showing some pains from that back injury so I took him into the vet to have him looked at. The vet quickly recommended Rimadyl for his pain relief....I thought “great” because I have heard many good things about this drug. His pre-lim test came back and we went home with a prescription. However 3 days after giving him this drug he seemed to be having some bad side affects from the drug. So I took him off the drug and got him back into the vet as soon as I could. Unfortunately 6 days after his first dose of this drug he died in my lap on the way home from the vet. It had to be one of the hardest moments I have gone threw thus far in my life. His blood test prior to giving his this drug came back great and his health and weight were perfect as well so things just did not feel right. So after some research I have found many cases exactly like mine. Rimadyl works for many dogs, but for many other the drug becomes toxic in their systems and leads to death. If only my vet would have told my about the warnings of this drug there is a very, very good chance my friend would be here today. So all I can say is ask a lot questions before giving your animal this drug and do your home work...because it seems as if many vets are unaware of the possible side affects of this drug. If this could just reach someone who is thinking about if this is the right drug for their animal and it possibly save their friend from going through what my friend went through would give me ease.

R.I.P Payton 5-30-07

AJ June 4th, 2007 12:31:00 AM

I write with great sadness on the loss of my beloved Golden Retriever on the 4th of June. She had been prescribed Rimadyl orally and had also been on a course Carprofen injections having had four in January of this year (2007) then one in February and one in March. She took ill at the end of May and her death was so quick it has left us reeling with shock. It is only now after the event that I have been finding out about the dangers of Rimadyl/Carprofen and I am gobsmaked to think I may have contributed to her death with my lack of knowledge on this drug. My vet never did any bloods prior to this treatment, despite her having suffered from digestive problems for two years and the appearance of struvite cyrstals in her urine. I was never warned to look for any side effects at all so believed this drug was safe. I had no idea about this drug but trusted my vet implicitly. However, only when she became ill did I began to research everything I could think of. Rimadyl ticked all the boxes and I can now see why my lovely girl died!! She died on the operating table of our new vet, whom we entrusted to her care 3 days before she passed away and I have nothing but praise for them. We were privilidged to be actually be shown the mess inside my girl's abdomen whilst on the operating table, and that is an image I will take with me to my grave. Her liver was grossly distended to at least three times its normal size, she was severely jandiced, her gall bladder had become obstructed and the pancreas was compromised. She didn't stand a chance, and I feel so guilty because she trusted me to take care of her!! I was badly let down by my old vet, and, as a consequence my beautiful golden girl is now dead. If this posting can prevent just one more death from this lethal cocktail, I have done my job. Rest In Peace my lovely Rosie ~ so sorry I let you down xxx

Mrs June Eyre June 10th, 2007 12:57:00 PM

Mrs. June Eyre, My deepest sympathy on the loss of your Golden. Please don't blame yourself for lack of knowledge of the dangers of Rimadyl. You did all you could for Rosie. The vet should have done blood work and explained the possible side effects of the drug to you before putting your Golden on the meds. I have posted before in March regarding my dog being on this medication. It is June and she is still doing great on the Rimadyl. Her blood has tested good. I have a good vet who explained everything and what to watch out for. It makes me very sad, when I hear of the loss of a pet.. a family member because a vet did not follow through with drug information and testing. There are thousands of dogs, mine is one of them, who benefit from rimadyl. As I stated in my March post, she would not be walking and running today without the medication. I know I would be mad if I lost my dog after a short period of time to rimadyl due to vet imcompetance. I don't know if there are factors as to why some live and some pass on. My vet never mentioned Carprofen injections. I am going to ask her about the combination of that with rimadyl. It seems like a very powerful combination to me. The more I think about it ,with your dogs previous history of digestive problems, the vet really should have done extensive blood work and close follow up blood work after starting the meds. It is good you are sharing your story so people know that this medication can be dangerous to some dogs and a good vet and testings are very important. Your Rosie's passing is a sorrwful loss. I know your sadness, I loss my first golden five years ago to cancer when she was 7 years old. took me a year to get over it and finally be able to bring my current dog into my family. Rosie is no longer suffering and I truly believe all dogs go to heaven.
Find peace in that you gave Rosie a good life and lots of love and you know that she loves you.

kathy June 21st, 2007 12:11:00 AM

My labrador had perfect blood work in mid-May this year. My vet put her on Metacam. however, at this time to help with some stiffness she seemed to be experiencing in her back legs - nothing major, just helping her. This morning, 5.5 months later, she died of liver cancer. Reading what I do now about NSAIDs, I wonder if Metacam killed her.

Eriik November 1st, 2007 01:58:00 PM

Eruk: I'm so sorry for your loss. It's times like these when we always second guess ourselves, our vets, our choices, etc. Having said that (and I'm no apologist for the pet pharma industry), there's no known link between NSAIDs and cancer. Liver disease in general (as in hepatitis)? Yes. Actual change in the division of liver cells due to carcinogenicity of NSAIDs? No. That's not to say it's not possible nor that I wouldn't wonder the same if I were in your shoes. As a vet, though, I see so much liver cancer (typically in pets with no chronic medication issues) that I have to side more towards the inevitability of cancer in your lab. As I've often said, if we're all lucky eough, our pets will live to be old enough to die of cancer. It's that common. Again, so very sorry for what you are going through.

Dr. Patty Khuly November 4th, 2007 10:51:00 AM

Hi I am sitting here reeling from the loss of my sweet Maltese dog Trixie. She had a knee op last October. She had a similar op on her other knee the year before and she recovered well, but October 2008 was different. She had been fine in herself before her op, just a bit of trouble with her Knee. The vet sent her home with Metacam (Meloxicam). I gave it to her as instructed, but she seemed a bit depressed and lethargic. She did not want to do anything much but sleep and she seemed a bit off her food. The vet said to persist with the Metacam and when I took her back again saying she was still not herself, he gave her another course of Metacam. She started getting tarry diarrhea and she seemed quite off her food too, she was obviously loosing loads of weight as well. I took her back to the vet Christmas eve and I asked if the Metacam could do this, but he said probably not but he then changed her meds to something called Norocarp (Rimadyl). Over christmas, my little Trixie got sicker. Drinking loads, being sick and still having Diarrhea. Her pee turned orange, she started heavy breathing and kept flopping over. I took her back after christmas and I told the vet I thought Trixie was dying. The vets took her in. They put her on a drip. They said she might have a liver disorder. I kept asking was it the drugs that did this to her, but they just said it might be something else although the drugs could have played a part. I had her home for one weekend and she was so ill. I took her back to the vet and they gave her an injection of Metacam. Trixie was referred to a Vet college, some miles away from where we live. They did all the scans tests etc They kept her on a drip and put food into her by syringe. They kept doing the tests and kept saying it was some kind of liver disease. I traveled to see Trixie one day and she was yellow. She was just laid flat on a cushion, not eating not responding and her sad brown eyes broke my heart. I decided then and there that it was kinder to let her go there and them. So cuddling her close to me, I let the vet put her to sleep. The first results from the autopsy cam the day after. The college vet said she would never have survived and so I had done the right thing. Trixies gut was thickened and twisted, she would never have been able to get food down. Her Pancreas was said to be 'not right'. and her liver was a mess, in fact she was described as being a total mess inside. My Trixie never showed any signs of any problem apart from her knees, until she has the NDAIDS. Nobody will confirm they killed her, but they won't deny it either. I have read that all drugs have side effects. Unfortunately, I never had any advice sheets telling me of the side effects of these drugs, if I had of, I might have realized what was going on sooner. Instead I put my faith in the vets who just kept feeding her more and more of these NSAIDS. I have read some great stories of how they have given some dogs a new lease of life, but unfortunately the same cannot be said for my little girl. My hope now is that all owners should be told all the side effects before these drugs are given. Clear warning sheets should be given and owners concerns should be listened to. When signs show that all is not well, they should not be compounded by being given more and more of the stuff that just might be causing it. I will NEVER EVER allow any of my dogs to have NSAIDS ever again. RIp my sweet 8 year old girl Trixie. I am in the Uk the cost of her treatment for this lot was almost £3,000

Deborah January 24th, 2009 10:47:07 AM

My beautiful 14 year old cross collie was prescribed metacam on the 4th of feb for arthritis 2 weeks on i have stopped the drug she started vomiting has had a fit and bloody diarrhea for three days, vet has given her a pro biotic medicine to calm her tummy but shes not responding. Gypsy was a healthy old girl with creaky joints and a few extra lbs than she should have had but she was happy now shes lying down stairs hardly able to move with no appetite and a sadness in her eyes that's unbearable to look at, i feel like I've given her a death sentence, if she pulls through she will not be going back to vet and i will be trying natural methods to ease her joints metacam should be banned.

Hetty February 18th, 2009 03:46:15 PM

My beautiful golden boy Bear, an 8yr old Golden Retriever, died last week Thursday Feb 19th from acute pulmonary distress. I had to put him to sleep. He had been fine with no symptoms whatsoever until but the vet said his liver was riddled with cancer. I think the drug Rimadyl he was prescribed for a bad sprain in his fron leg had something to with it.The vet at the Animal Medical Center said Rimadyl may cause liver damage but not cancer. But it wasn;t until after my Bear started taking the Rimadyl that he showed any symptoms of any kind. After 4 days on it he was lethargic, depressed, eating only 1 meal a day, and drinking lots of water. He was only on the Rimadyl for 9 days,from Jan 22-Jan 30th, 1 pill twice a day at 100mg each. I stopped the pills on the last day after he threw up. He was fine for a few days after that but then my dad gave him a rib bone and got sick again. He threw up and had diarrhea for 2 days and then was ok but still lethargic, not playful at all and drinking lots of water. I thougth it was from anupset tummy from the rib bone, which we never feed him. Then last monday Feb 16th he refused to eat his morning meal and threw up 3 times-all liquid, phlegm like. His tummy was swollen and I rushed him to the Animal Medical Center in NY. After sonogram,and surgery on Tuesday they found his liver and lymph nodes were swollen and his liver had white spots all over. He had fluid in his tummy. They guessed hepatitis or cancer but were waiting for biopsy results. Wednesday he was stable, had a feeding tube to feed him. Tehy said I could see him Thurs afternoon. But Thurs morning I got the call I dreaded..they said he took a turn for the worse and was having trouble breathing and had les than a 5% chance of making it thru even if they took invasive action. I said no more...no more. And decided to have him put to sleep. I was in Florida and he was in NY with my mother when all this happened.He had been in NY for the pastyear cause if his severe allergies to fleas in FL. I thought this was the best for him. So I was not there when he left but my mom was. She said he lifted his arm so she could scratch under his arm the way he loved. SHe held her phone up to his ear so ic oudl talk to him and tell him how much I loved him and that he would be all better soon. my biggest fear is that I caused his death by giving him the Rimadyl. The vet said the biopsies showed an aggressive cancer in his liver, that was intreatable but they were unable to find the source of the cancer. They were expecting lymphoma, which is treatable or some kind of tumor or growth. Has anyone out there had a similar experieince with Rimadyl and cancer of the liver?

Michelle Campos February 25th, 2009 10:59:01 AM

I have an Irish wolfhound that took RImadyl for three days and I am now dealing with very bad diarrhea. We stopped the meds so please tell me that we did not do any permanent damage to the guy. Our vet told us to withhold food for 24 hours and prescribed Imodium for 2 days and then call back. Should we get another opinion??

Susan March 31st, 2009 02:34:00 PM

Just to update from feb 18th Gypsy my gorgeous sweet 14 year old collie cross lost her battle for life on 6.4.09 she did have a period where she seemed to have recovered and I never put her back on the Rimadyl but the damage was done and her gut never recovered fully the diarrhea returned and in the end she coulnt keep anything in, i am heartbroken and feel like i killed my poor girl by allowing her to go on this drug in the first place,i think anyone who is prescribed this drug for thier dog should consider very strongley the outcome i know it helps some dogs but for the ones it kills its its slow and painfull this drug should be banned.

Hetty April 11th, 2009 09:04:14 AM

My neighbours dog was diagnosed with Cancer, and given 3 - 6 months to live, this was 6 weeks ago.  Thursday he was walking his dog who started to limp, he ended up having to carry him home.  He called the vet he'd used to do surgery on his dog for cancer.  He prescribed him Rimadyl for his paw as an antiflamatory, even though his paw wasn't swollen.  Soon after I think the next day, the dog became very ill, and on the way to the ER the dog died in my neighbours arms.  The vet said it could have been a blood clot, we don't know.  I saw his dog just before this all happened, and he was running around very happy  (a 10yr old blind dog), almost like a puppy.  Afer reading about Rimadyl, I'm now shocked that the vet would have prescribed Rimadyl, knowing what his condition was.  Just a terrible shock when we thought we might have him another 5 months, my poor neighbour is heart broken.  This was one great dog!

Amanda June 30th, 2009 11:13:10 PM

I need to do more research into Rimadyl, as what we are reading on the internet, is speculation.  I am not blaming the vet, who is an excellent vet.  I'm just wondering why if this drug has so many adverse side effects, why it is so widely prescribed.  Now we will never know if it was indeed Rimadyl that hastened the untimely death of this lovely dog, or there was a blood clot as a result of the cancer.  All I know is that he will be missed, the garden next door is pretty lonely and empty now:(

Amanda June 30th, 2009 11:27:26 PM

My English Mastiff, aged 8.5 was released from the vet post gastro, blood fine and ultrasound showed slightly enblarged spleen. Vet said he was fine but needed to get back legs going again so prescribed rimadyl. Three days later he had declined rapidly to the point of euthunasia. As a last ditch attempt vet prescribed prednisolone. He continued to decline and within 2 days was passing tarry motions with bood clots. Vet prescribed zantac and something else to help with presumed ulcer. He passed away in between my hourly checks on him on that night. The vet refuses to beleive he died from the drugs and states he had an underlying condition. WHY did that vet release my dog from the clinic if there were still concerns for his health. WHY was I not made aware of the precautions with this drug. WHY did I trust that vet and now my big boy is dead and I'm left wondering what pain he may have been in. Mastiffs have a great pain tolerance and the only time he whimpered in his final days was when he wanted me to take him to the toilet. My poor baby.

Simone July 22nd, 2009 11:39:12 PM

I'm so sorry for your loss Simone. My crossbread, Millie, had a mammary strip op 7 weeks ago, our vet prescribed rimadyl as a cancer treatment as i could not afford the chemotherapy. She had a check-up yesterday and the cancer has returned. Has anyone ever heard of rimadyl as a cancer treatment? She doesn't have arthritis and i'm a bit concerned after reading about the side effects. I trust my vet, but must admit to feeling very confused and worried now.

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