Daily Vet Ultimatums On End of Life Care Make This Vet Lose Sleep

October 15th, 2006  

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This is so sad. I hope that if this horrible disease ever happens to one of my cats, I'll think of Huey and what you have taught me in this blog post. Rest well,

Rita

Rita October 16th, 2006 06:55:00 AM

Now I'm afraid that I had two cats with mouth cancer and let them live too long. But that's why I come here-to learn how to do better the next time.
Sigh....

heather October 16th, 2006 01:25:00 PM

Let me be a little clearer. All vets are different and all persons deserve to make their own personal decisions regarding the right time for euthanasia. Some clients (and the occasional rare vet) do not believe euthanasia is ever an acceptable option. I try to take this into account when I talk to people. Also, let me stress that I tend towards early euthanasia in cases where the oral cancer is already into the bone or when it`s obviously rapidly growing.

Dr. Patty Khuly October 16th, 2006 03:49:00 PM

I just think I waited to long to euthanize. I didn't realize the pain issues and I suspect my vet didn't realize it either. Quality of life is important to me-even thought I know I'll miss them terribly.

And flashing back to the earlier post about showing the deceased dog's heart to his person-I wouldn't have minded and would have possibly even felt better to know what killed him. I'm just weird that way. Interesting blog!

heather October 17th, 2006 01:45:00 PM

I must sadly admit that I think I waited to long to euthanize my ferret. He was scheduled for surgery to remove what was expected to be a cancerous spleen, but looked so bad late one evening I told my husband to take him in and put him down. The husband refused. I didn't have it in me to force it on him (my own childhood dog had been put down against my wishes and I'm still bitter about it). The next morning the husband called me at work becuase he's finally come to the realization of how bad the ferret really was. I rushed off to meet him at the vet, intending not to leave with a live ferret. But when I got there, he had been given fluids and was perking up. The husband wanted to try the surgery then and there. I reluctantly agreed because, once again, I didn't want to hurt my husband's feelings. When they opened him up the cancer was everywhere and they let him go while under anesthesia.

Ever since then I've been worrying that I waited too long...that maybe he was in pain. I hope not. If the vet had said at any point "He's in pain. In your situation I would euthanize," I would have gone with it. But as it was the vet never said anything like that, and I was too much of a wimp to ask it myself. It might have helped our decision along considerably if our vet had acted like you did with the cat. I would not have gotten angry, rather I would have appreciated the honest input.

Becky October 19th, 2006 03:56:00 PM

So many vets I know won't offer euthanasia for personal reasons of their own. Remember, there's more than one way to look at any situation. You're only hearing my side of it. It's always up to you to decide. Please don't let my opinions get in the way of your own personal decisions.

Dr. Patty Khuly October 21st, 2006 01:44:00 PM

Dr.Khuly, thank you for your blog. I look forward to each new post. I appreciate the insight I feel I am gaining. Whenever I have been forced to find a new vet (only once through dissastifaction with staff, all other times due to a move) one of my biggest priorities is finding a vet that will be honest with me in ALL aspects of my companion's care. I want to be able to ask "what would YOU do if this was your pet?" and know that I will get an honest answer, however painful that might be. I would love to have you as a vet.

Mari Lynn October 22nd, 2006 04:05:00 PM

I don't suppose you're interested in moving your practice to Saint Paul? We could use vets who emotionally invest in their clients like you do. My experience has been -- brilliant, knowledgeable people who obviously know their stuff work here. They treat my dog and take my finances into account, they give my young dog good care -- but . . .

But they have never once asked me how I *feel* about anything. Asking me 'how are you holding up? I know it's been rough, ten days of runny doggie bodily fluids everywhere, and I can tell you're worried. I just want to let you know that there is an end in sight. She's not all that sick, she's getting better, it will be ok. . . ' would be worth the vet's weight in gold for me to hear.

Whitewater January 10th, 2007 12:45:00 AM

I feel I must comment on early euthanasia when cancer is already in the bone. In 1996 our local vets referred my 8 yr. old Shih Tzu to Iowa State University due to a malignancy of the lower left jaw. Surgery removed that portion of the jaw and the dog lived a happy, comfortable life for 8 1/2 more yrs. She remained in great health until her final years when, like all of us, she fought Father Time. Once her quality of life was over and there was nothing good in store for her, she was euthanized.

Each case is different and must be evaluted as such, there are sometimes good outcomes. Because of this experience, I make a generous donation to Iowa State's Companion Animal Fund each year. A picture of Oreo hangs in their waiting room and the last time I looked her story can still be seen on ISU's website.

FYI: I came across this website, while researching the pet food recall. A yr. ago my new Shih Tzu, then not quite 2 yrs. old was hospitalized at ISU for aprox. 10 days with hypercalcemia due to Vitamin D toxicosis. Tests ruled out all the physical conditions that cause hypercalcemia, and the possibility of rodentcides, plant toxicities, etc. were eliminated. (This is a dog that is never off leash outside, goes to work with me at my office, and is seldom even out of my sight.) With research I discovered Royal Canin's recall due to too much vitamin D that took place just months earlier and contacted Hill's Pet Nutrition regarding the matter (she was on a prescription Hill's diet). They denied any involvement. A vet experienced in calcium and vitamin D disorders at Ohio State that I contacted thought it sounded like the Royal Canin cases as well. I did much research on the pet food industry, talked to an assistant manager at a premix / supplement animal feed supplier and learned just how easily mistakes can be made from double batching to mixers going down causing "hot spots" in the food. Hill's touted their feed tests and batch testing, I had little belief in that then, and now with 95 different brands recalled, it seems those tests are of little value.

I have been regularly doing a Google search on dog food recalls for the past year believing it would only be a matter of time before something of this nature occured. Sadly it has.

I won't even tell you what I spent to save Smidgen. Of course the first organ affected with vitamin D toxicosis is the kidneys and she already had a genetic issue regarding the kidneys and liver, (thus the need for the prescription diet) but was doing very well. It was a long haul, but again, thanks to the veterinary profession, she pulled through, has bounced back and is doing well, though her urine is dilute (it was not prior to the D toxicity) indicating there was no doubt further lasting damage to her kidneys. By all outward appearances and blood values she is doing fine and is a vital lively dog, though it remains to be seen what the long term holds in store for her.

And so, I watch this turn of events with the recall with great interest and much sadness. I understand the feelings of loss, hurt, betrayal, guilt and monetary hardship pet owners are experiencing due to this.

Sorry this is turned out to be so long...love your website and blog...keep up the good work.

Dixie Harden March 20th, 2007 10:19:00 PM

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