Vet P.O.V. Killer Dog Breeds: Cultures Tough On Dog Crime Can Tame This Beast

October 4th, 2006  

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In the past five months I have had three Presa pups as clients. Prior to these three I never saw a one. The owners...all three... wanted more dog than a pit and a breed that could fly under the radar unlike a pit. As puppies, I have to say they all looked like Scooby Do, but as they aged, I saw "scary" in all three. All three pups came from out of state southern breeders and were purchased site un seen by people who viewed web sites that showed bite work.
As I am sure you are aware, Abraham still has a ways to go until he reaches maturity and I see a LOT of aggressive dog who do not show their true selves until age three.
Presas and the people who buy them, just plain scare me. They are just the reason that Pits should not be banned because people will just move onto the next and scarier thing.

nancy October 4th, 2006 01:12:00 PM

I live in Ontario. Our BSL which is just over a year old has resulted in the deaths of thousands of pit bulls (for those of you who don't know, a Pit Bull isn't even a breed) and pit bull type dogs.

Presa's are next on the list or so rumor has it. Depsite the sudden crackdown on 'dangerous' dogs, there is no proof the people are safer. But the dogs are definitely in more danger.

Before anyone can deem a dog dangerous, we all have to take a closer look at the way that we as humans raise, train and handle dogs.

Presa's aren't for everyone, but than again neither are Jack Russel Terriers or Huskeys.

Its not about punishing or 'getting rid' of 'dangerous' dogs. Its about punishing dangerous owners.

Shannon

Shannon October 4th, 2006 02:58:00 PM

I agree 100% Like Shannon said, "Presa's aren't for everyone, but than again neither are Jack Russel Terriers or Huskeys" My dog is proof of that. He is a Rat Terrier and at 2 years old he had been in 4 homes. Until he came to me. All his previous owners got rid of him because he is a very hyperactive dog that loves to chase things. Anyone who's done any research would know that Ratties have that name for a reason. Yes! They like to chase things...like RATS! (and anything that resembles a creepy crawly or flying thing...even moths) If people would just bother in researching the characteristics of the dogs they're interested in a lot of heartbreak would be avoided. To me it's all just common sense, really, but I guess common sense is not so common.

Ana October 4th, 2006 03:34:00 PM

Does anyone here have any good ideas about dog legislation that might benefit dogs and punish owners of dangerous dogs? I think we have to be creative on this one. At what point do we deem a dog dangerous? Should we red flag them somehow through vets, groomers or trainers? Ideas?

Dr. Patty Khuly October 5th, 2006 08:45:00 AM

I think that responsible owners will flag their own pets as dangerous if they are. I grew up with a very protective and territorial mutt. He loved his family to a fault. At almost 90 lbs, he was quite happy to be mauled, picked up and often slept on my lap. However, there were a number of people he didn't trust my aunt and my best friend included. It was up to us as his family to make sure he wasn't put in a situation where he might injure either of these people. Vets (no offense), groomers and others who see dogs occasionally and often in strange enviros can never be certain of a dogs real temperment.

Ontario animal cruelty laws are horribly inadequate. And the people who claim to be in a position to enforce these laws often lack the training required to press charges. Therefore, the laws in place to protect animals from cruelty and neglect are the very same laws that force us to return dogs to dangerous owners only days of taking them out of these homes.

I honestly believe that agressive dogs only become dangerous when living with people who are incapable of caring for them properly. And I honestly believe that it has nothing to do with the size or breed of dog.

Shannon

Shannon October 5th, 2006 10:33:00 AM

I don't know the answer. I am a trainier and here is what happended here when I tried to flag a dog to animal control last year.
http://www.mainetoday.com/pets/dogslife/003375.htm...
Nancy

nancy October 6th, 2006 06:08:00 AM

I agree wholeheartedly with your evaluations. I understand that most pit bulls (and other aggressive breeds), when trained correctly and handled by responsible owners, are not a threat. However, I cannot agree with people who paint these animals as completely innocent victims of stereotype and irresponsible ownership. They are bred for aggression. They are bought by people who desire their aggressive tendencies. There is a reason why people who are looking for a friendly house dog don't immediately think, "Hey, let's get a pit bull!" In other words, their genetic tendencies can't be ignored.

We require licenses before you can drive a car, hunt or go scuba diving. Why not for ownership of certain "difficult" breeds?

Becky October 6th, 2006 04:24:00 PM

Has anyone seen the pit bulls I`m Sorry montage on YouTube? Check out YouTube.com:
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=pitt+bull+...
Bring the tissues.

Dr. Patty Khuly October 9th, 2006 03:22:00 PM

My sister adopted an adorable rescue dog a few years back who loves people, adores children, arrived housebroken and leash trained, and who very nearly prevented my sister & husband from getting homeowners insurance. Fortunately, confronted with a wealth of information aboutthe difference between "pit bull" and breed specifications and also about the training Beauty was receiving, the insurance company changed their minds. Beauty is a Staffordshire Terrior who looks like the classic pit bull. She is the sweetest, gentlest dog in my sister's house, which is a miracle considering that Beauty was rescued from a suspected dog fighter. She hasn't caused any problems in the three years since she was adopted and acts as house mother for all the other foster and rescue dogs who come through.

Miryiam November 25th, 2006 10:14:00 PM

I, too, have a rescued pitbull. He was horribly abused, terribly underweight, and scared of numerous things. His previous owner did not feed,water, or interact with him.
Regardless, he is the SWEETEST dog. I've had him for 7 months, and we graduate basic obedience next week. He IS a pit, and has exhibited a huge curiosity in smaller animals. I visit my sister and her toy poodle constantly. The pit is fine with the poodle, but he is never left alone with it. Like I tell people, it's not the dog. It's common sense. I used to have horses,too. I would NEVER leave a child alone with a horse. Why would I do it with a dog?

Agadore's momma March 25th, 2007 12:27:00 AM

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