Vet P.O.V. Rimadyl: The Controversy

October 6th, 2006  

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I am getting ready to discuss some options with my own vet, but I like to get as much info. going in as possible. At the moment I have a almost (will be on the 17th) 13 year old - 100lb dog. He has had bad arthritis and possible HD for years, but recently he is having more difficulty getting up.

Last year he got loose and came home barely able to get up on his own. Took him to the vet who in the end thought he had just over done it. In the process of checking him out we had bloodwork done and his liver levels were elevated...so she didn't want to prescribe pain meds. Since then we haven't had anymore bloodwork done. I am planning on doing that as a first step- but if the results come back the same what are my best options?

Amanda October 6th, 2006 07:30:00 PM

Our vet does bloodwork before starting a dog on Rimadyl, then does mandatory blood work again after three weeks. We were told that if the liver looks fine after three weeks, then it will continue to be fine during long-term Rimadyl use. We've had our 100 lb. GSD on it since February (1 tablet per day, at bedtime), and it's really helped improve her mobility and attitude. We could give up to 2 per day, but I try to stick to one -- giving it at night helps her sleep well, and she wakes up without a lot of stiffness.

Leigh-Ann October 7th, 2006 01:57:00 AM

I find the same among dog owners on a message board I belong to. Any time a dog on Metacam looks crosswise, there is a panicky response that the Metacam is finally showing its true colors and killing the dog. Our dog has been taking it daily for two years with wonderful results for his quality of life and no ill effects.

I do feel it's very important to give owners a reasonable description of the risks - even though it may dissuade them from treating. I don't like giving my dog medications and then only later finding out about the risks associated with it. Case in point is gentamycin given for a minor ear problem that has resulted in deafness in three dogs just among the group of dogs with which I"m acquainted. I don't want gentamycin used in my dog's ears unless nothing else will solve the problem and the problem is so serious that it the risk is necessary. He is already blind, so I want to preserve his remaining senses. In each of the cases with which I'm familiar, the risk of the medication causing deafness was not raised with the owners before the medication was given.

The NSAIDS work very well for many many dogs and the ability to relieve chronic pain is a dramatic development in longevity care. I know our dog would be a much "older" dog without Metacam.

Natalie October 7th, 2006 03:58:00 PM

I've been enjoying this series on pain. When my now 14-year old dog was spayed as a puppy, there wasn't any pain medication--we were told that dogs don't process pain the same way people do. Things have come a long way! That 14-year old dog is now on daily Metacam (and supplements) for arthritis and doing pretty well. Our reaction when she went on Metacam was the same as many of Dr. Doolittler's clients--suddenly, old as she was, she seemed puppyish and energetic. We just hadn't realized pain was slowing her down so much. She hasn't had any problems on the Metacam--but we do get regular blood tests.

Arlene October 7th, 2006 07:43:00 PM

Amanda: Consider asking your vet how he would feel about prescribing Rimadyl anyway. If your dog has elevated liver enzymes, attempt to find out why first. Further testing (X-rays, ultrasound and/or more specific bloodwork) would be in order. Liver disease of some specific varieties do not preclude the use of NSAIDs. And if the liver looks great and the enzymes are elevated for another reason (like Cushing`s disease or steroid usage) then NSAIDs would be considered acceptable. Many times, even when owners do not want to go to this expense (or cannot) I offer the NSAIDs anyway. I give them the what-would-you-rather-have speech I mentioned in the post. Good luck!

Dr. Patty Khuly October 9th, 2006 03:13:00 PM

I have a mixed golden. I adopted her from a rescue when she was 2. She is now six. She always had trouble with her hips when she ran a lot. This past summer she was having a very difficult time standing up. Her walking seemed very painful til she got going. My vet started her on Gluocosime and that didn't help. She gave me trial samples for Rimadyl. I read the horror stories on the internet, call the vet, she gave me the pros and cons again. To make a long story short, my dog has been on Rimady for close to six months now. Granted it that it is a short time, but the change in her is like a miracle. She is like the 2 year old I found four years ago. Her blood work has tested fine. Hopefully it will continue to help her and none of the internet horror stories will be hers. Yes, Rimadyl causes terrible and sad reactions to dogs and one should be very cautious, as I was in the beginning. My main reasoning for continuing to try the rimadyl was that maybe my dog can tolerate the drug and most important I couldn't stand to see her suffer just trying to stand up. She would be unable to walk if nothing was done. In the end, so far, her quaility of life has improved and she is enjoying life. We will continue checking her blood. Time will tell if the Rimadyl takes it toll, if it does, for my dog anyway Rimadyl has given her a better quality of life and she is a happy dog once again.

kathy March 4th, 2007 10:08:00 AM

I found a 7 year old Schnauzer 4 years ago that was the best dog I have ever had and more than likely ever will. He had a back injury two years and healed pretty well. Well a few weeks ago he started showing some pains from that back injury so I took him into the vet to have him looked at. The vet quickly recommended Rimadyl for his pain relief....I thought “great” because I have heard many good things about this drug. His pre-lim test came back and we went home with a prescription. However 3 days after giving him this drug he seemed to be having some bad side affects from the drug. So I took him off the drug and got him back into the vet as soon as I could. Unfortunately 6 days after his first dose of this drug he died in my lap on the way home from the vet. It had to be one of the hardest moments I have gone threw thus far in my life. His blood test prior to giving his this drug came back great and his health and weight were perfect as well so things just did not feel right. So after some research I have found many cases exactly like mine. Rimadyl works for many dogs, but for many other the drug becomes toxic in their systems and leads to death. If only my vet would have told my about the warnings of this drug there is a very, very good chance my friend would be here today. So all I can say is ask a lot questions before giving your animal this drug and do your home work...because it seems as if many vets are unaware of the possible side affects of this drug. If this could just reach someone who is thinking about if this is the right drug for their animal and it possibly save their friend from going through what my friend went through would give me ease.

R.I.P Payton 5-30-07

AJ June 4th, 2007 12:31:00 AM

I write with great sadness on the loss of my beloved Golden Retriever on the 4th of June. She had been prescribed Rimadyl orally and had also been on a course Carprofen injections having had four in January of this year (2007) then one in February and one in March. She took ill at the end of May and her death was so quick it has left us reeling with shock. It is only now after the event that I have been finding out about the dangers of Rimadyl/Carprofen and I am gobsmaked to think I may have contributed to her death with my lack of knowledge on this drug. My vet never did any bloods prior to this treatment, despite her having suffered from digestive problems for two years and the appearance of struvite cyrstals in her urine. I was never warned to look for any side effects at all so believed this drug was safe. I had no idea about this drug but trusted my vet implicitly. However, only when she became ill did I began to research everything I could think of. Rimadyl ticked all the boxes and I can now see why my lovely girl died!! She died on the operating table of our new vet, whom we entrusted to her care 3 days before she passed away and I have nothing but praise for them. We were privilidged to be actually be shown the mess inside my girl's abdomen whilst on the operating table, and that is an image I will take with me to my grave. Her liver was grossly distended to at least three times its normal size, she was severely jandiced, her gall bladder had become obstructed and the pancreas was compromised. She didn't stand a chance, and I feel so guilty because she trusted me to take care of her!! I was badly let down by my old vet, and, as a consequence my beautiful golden girl is now dead. If this posting can prevent just one more death from this lethal cocktail, I have done my job. Rest In Peace my lovely Rosie ~ so sorry I let you down xxx

Mrs June Eyre June 10th, 2007 12:57:00 PM

Mrs. June Eyre, My deepest sympathy on the loss of your Golden. Please don't blame yourself for lack of knowledge of the dangers of Rimadyl. You did all you could for Rosie. The vet should have done blood work and explained the possible side effects of the drug to you before putting your Golden on the meds. I have posted before in March regarding my dog being on this medication. It is June and she is still doing great on the Rimadyl. Her blood has tested good. I have a good vet who explained everything and what to watch out for. It makes me very sad, when I hear of the loss of a pet.. a family member because a vet did not follow through with drug information and testing. There are thousands of dogs, mine is one of them, who benefit from rimadyl. As I stated in my March post, she would not be walking and running today without the medication. I know I would be mad if I lost my dog after a short period of time to rimadyl due to vet imcompetance. I don't know if there are factors as to why some live and some pass on. My vet never mentioned Carprofen injections. I am going to ask her about the combination of that with rimadyl. It seems like a very powerful combination to me. The more I think about it ,with your dogs previous history of digestive problems, the vet really should have done extensive blood work and close follow up blood work after starting the meds. It is good you are sharing your story so people know that this medication can be dangerous to some dogs and a good vet and testings are very important. Your Rosie's passing is a sorrwful loss. I know your sadness, I loss my first golden five years ago to cancer when she was 7 years old. took me a year to get over it and finally be able to bring my current dog into my family. Rosie is no longer suffering and I truly believe all dogs go to heaven.
Find peace in that you gave Rosie a good life and lots of love and you know that she loves you.

kathy June 21st, 2007 12:11:00 AM

My labrador had perfect blood work in mid-May this year. My vet put her on Metacam. however, at this time to help with some stiffness she seemed to be experiencing in her back legs - nothing major, just helping her. This morning, 5.5 months later, she died of liver cancer. Reading what I do now about NSAIDs, I wonder if Metacam killed her.

Eriik November 1st, 2007 01:58:00 PM

Eruk: I'm so sorry for your loss. It's times like these when we always second guess ourselves, our vets, our choices, etc. Having said that (and I'm no apologist for the pet pharma industry), there's no known link between NSAIDs and cancer. Liver disease in general (as in hepatitis)? Yes. Actual change in the division of liver cells due to carcinogenicity of NSAIDs? No. That's not to say it's not possible nor that I wouldn't wonder the same if I were in your shoes. As a vet, though, I see so much liver cancer (typically in pets with no chronic medication issues) that I have to side more towards the inevitability of cancer in your lab. As I've often said, if we're all lucky eough, our pets will live to be old enough to die of cancer. It's that common. Again, so very sorry for what you are going through.

Dr. Patty Khuly November 4th, 2007 10:51:00 AM

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