Vet P.O.V. Shelter dog adoptions…a quandary: Part 2

November 14th, 2006  

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Dr Patty, Once again I congratulate you on bringing these issues into the public eye.

The Toronto Humane Society is frowned upon in the world of animal shelters because it is keeps all dogs alive, often dogs who have huge temperment issues including repeated incidents of biting, dog agression so severe they can't be allowed to see other animals from their cages, food possession so severe that they can't be in the in the cages when food and water is given, toy an aggresiveness so severe that they aren't allowed to have any. Over months and in some cases years these animals begin to go a little bit crazy, being confined to small cages, with human companionship only happening 2Xday for 15 minutes.

Remember, we as irresonsible pet owners, who failed to socialize these dogs properly, who failed to discipline without inflicting pain, who failed to properly train them are the ones responsible. U

Unfortunately, we can't save them all. Some dogs are going to spend months and possibly years of their short lives in shelters and in this case, I feel that it really is more humane to give them a peaceful end.

Shannon November 14th, 2006 12:49:00 PM

Cinnamon (a hound) was brought in very pregnant, because the owner didn't want to deal with puppies or risk her getting pregnant again. She had 24 puppies, 6 of which died in the first 72 hours, which is pretty standard given the number of nipples. We tried to rescue one of the "pushed out ones" but I didn't know anything about warm washcloths to help make the babies go to the bathroom, and it died. The other 18 puppies thrived. All 18 found homes, some together.

Cinnamon wasn't as lucky. After nursing so many puppies, her nipples seriously dangled. She had a lovely personality, but who wants that when they can have one of her puppies? And then she had been there the longest, we were full again, and what else could we do? I can't take them all home- I would end up running a shelter without proper vet care or attention for them all, which I certainly can't financially or emotionally afford. It's very difficult to draw the line in the heart to make that stick. Because of Cinnamon, I have changed my mind on spaying pregnant dogs and cats if they aren't too far along. Maybe we could have adopted out Cinnamon and 17 other dogs if she hadn't had her puppies at the shelter. And other shelters will automatically euthanize pregnant animals for that reason.

I have seen dogs like Bobo too. Far too many of them. I'm very glad you offer training help and advice.

Georg November 14th, 2006 02:42:00 PM

Dear Patty...it's amazing how similar we are in our views of this. I've never considered myself a "rescue person" and I know why...I know too much. I know too well how difficult it is to rehabilitate these dogs. Maybe shelters are making it too easy for humans to get rid of their pets. Maybe humans should have to pay $3000 to get rid of each dog. Maybe that would make people think before they make the commitment to get a pet. That money could go toward training new adoptors and training dogs before they are adopted out. And breeders who are responsible should be put in jail?? I don't know. The system is seriously broke.

Kim Hanson November 14th, 2006 08:52:00 PM

Our shelter does charge to leave a pet, have not a clue how much it is though. A 3,000 fee sounds nice in logic, but I think it would only lead to more animals being dumped rather than dropped off.

Both of my dogs were adopted from shelters full grown. Neither one knew any commands, though both were potty trained. Both required some work, Nanook was dominant and had been allowed to get away with it. She was quick to growl and snap. Suka was very wary of people, and acts very much like a dog who was abused. Much work and patience later and I have 2 dogs with stable temperments...Suka just got her CGC this fall.

Amanda November 14th, 2006 09:52:00 PM

AMANDA-
OMG I have not heard those names of dogs in a long time! I know what they mean too!! I also Polish have had dogs in my past with those names!
Thanks for the smile you put on my face today!! I'm Thankful you gave the time energy and commitment to your critters to help them adjust.. I too adopt from shelters the "unadoptable" since I don't have children, I am able to do so and work with them daily.
thanks again for the SMILE!!

Shelly November 15th, 2006 08:51:00 AM

Poor Bobo. This is a result of people getting puppies without realizing that they are huge responsibility like a real baby!

Ann November 15th, 2006 11:02:00 AM

Ultimately, though, the fault for Bobo's death falls on the idiots that didn't bother to spay their lab mix, to prevent more puppies coming into an overcrowded world - with an equal measure of blame falling on the idiots that couldn't be bothered to provide a basic level of training, but were more than happy to dump him after their neglect ruined him.

It's a tough situation. I do home-based fostering, and screen homes carefully. I can and have told people outright that a dog was not right for them, and refused the adoption. I knew that the dog would be back within a couple months. This sort of system won't fix the problem - the number of dogs I can handle is limited by the number of foster homes I have available at any given time and is MUCH lower than what a shelter environment can take on. But a private rescue that evaluates their dogs (or cats) and screens families to match them is a good place to recommend folks go to, if their family circumstances make a shelter dog more of a gamble than they want. It's the safest bet I know of, when adopting an adult-age rescue.

Nan November 15th, 2006 06:04:00 PM

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