Vet P.O.V. Drug sales in veterinary medicine (Part 2: The vet pharmacy)

February 14th, 2007  

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I admit I do buy my dogs Revolution on 1800petmeds online, but since they are large (80 lbs & 130 lbs) I need to save as much money as I can. I even comparison shop the other online sites and then the company matches the lowest one, not to mention the delivery in 1 to 2 days to my door. I use the savings for better food and save for future needs. I do feel guilty when I go for the heartworm check and vacs, but when antibiotics for the dane are $80 - something has to give.

Carla February 14th, 2007 09:01:00 AM

Products like Frontline that are found in most pet stores and online stores are not made from the same company. The version those places carry are made in Germany where they don't use the same drug testing safety protocol, have an FDA, ect.

I found this out through a friend of mine who is a tech for my vet.

A client called the clinic regading an expiration date on a package of Frontline that she had purchased and wanted to know if she could still use it the following year. A phone call was made to Merial and that was when it was discovered that there are two different companies in two different countries making the same product. The client made her purchase from 1-800-Pet-Meds.

It was explained that the lot codes that Merial uses and this other company are completely different. It was explained to me how they are different, I just don't remember it now as this was discussed a few years ago. So, to cater to the masses that make statements claiming they can get flea products cheaper, my vet simply warns them of this fact and sends them out the door with an air of caution.

When asked why Merial hasn't gone after this other company, I was told at that time they were thinking about it, but because different countries have different laws regarding copyright infringment and patents they decided it wasn't worth the fight. However, they will not guarantee products from this other company as it wasn't made by them. That statement has been tested on many occasions. When they ask for the lot number and find it didn't come from their factories or labs, they decline it. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has attempted to fight it in small claims court as what consumers are purchasing beyond their vets office and is a psuedo product.

Think about what a specific group Russians did to Bill Gates regarding Windows. Bill Gates tried to sue the Russian companies that were claiming Windows Operating Systems as their own, only to find out that Russia is no obligated to follow US laws.

As for how safe is this other product? I don't know, nor am I educated enough regarding Germany's product laws so I tend to tell people the same thing that my vet tells people...Buyer Beware.

I like to save money as much as the next thrifty person, but would I be willing to put my pets health at risk knowing that those products haven't come from a reputable source? No and I don't. I'd rather walk into a pet store and buy Zodiac products first and I agree with you about Hartz. I also think there should be label changes made to all flea products. My reason being that too many cats die of toxicity of the liver because people assume that pyrethrin products are safe for cats when in reality, they are not. Just because pyrethrin comes from a plant or the Chrysanthemum does not mean it is safe for all animal species.

I'm not asking for much on this snowy Valentine's Day, now am I? LOL

Stacy February 14th, 2007 09:21:00 AM

I willingly buy products from my vet rather than any alternatives, because I a)trust them to know something about what they give me, i.r.o. side effects, safety, off-label info, b)believe that the food products they endorse are actually better for my animals, and c)appreciate that if they were not selling merchandise as well as vet skills, they would have to charge more for the vet side of things in order to cover their running costs.

And in my case, where they give me either free or very reduced-cost assistance with the wild birds that I work with, it's just an extra indication of my appeciation and loyalty to them. Although, have to say that almost all the vets I have dealt with around JHB for help with wildlife have donated their services and most if not all of the materials used. It's something that is really appreciated.

jcat February 14th, 2007 11:20:00 AM

I'm just glad I live in a state where heartworm meds and flea meds aren't necessary for the most part- well, not for the whole state- this town.

Katalyst February 14th, 2007 02:51:00 PM

Here's my view: If I can save money in areas of routine, preventative care by buying generics, doing things myself, or by being creative (buying pyrantel by the pint for routine dog deworming, etc.), then I'm more able to spend money on things I can't do by myself - things that I really need a vet for, like diagnosing disease and recommending treatment. Doing things myself also allows me to budget for things like heartworm tests, blood tests, and ua's that can't be done out of the office. In the end, I don't actually save much money - I just allot it differently to provide a higher level of care to my pets. It helps that I'm a vet assistant - I'm able to recognize what's within my scope and ability and what isn't, and I'm always trying to educate myself. My goal is to eventually go to vet school, and I know that in order to make a living and provide services, vets must make a profit - and they're entitled to a much higher profit than they usually take. It just frustrates me to see pet owners who decline services like dental prophys and bloodwork or who put off treatment for a condition b/c of the cost because they're already paying so much for stuff they could be saving money on. Granted, some of these people just don't have the cash or don't want to shell it out - in those cases, I wish they wouldn't take on the financial responsibility of pet ownership. But if vaccinating and deworming (properly!) at home means the pet can come in more often for more specialized preventative care, I'm all for it.

anna February 14th, 2007 03:06:00 PM

I think that mandating a minimum level of financial ability to care for pet ownership is short sighted, unrealistic, and misguided. If there had been such standards when I was a child, my parents would certainly not have been able to afford the sweet loving collie mix who was our beloved pet. She got her check ups, required vaccinations, and spay surgery. As a fourteen year old dog, when she became unable to climb stairs, my mother *carried* her up and down the stairs to do her business outside, wet her food, and took her to work so that Missie was never far from her people. There are many many families in the same boat as we, who are not wealthy enough to afford the newest surgeries and medications and yet who dearly love their pets and want to do the best they can within their means.

MeriGray February 14th, 2007 08:22:00 PM

I have a great deal of respect for my vets and the care they have given my dogs. At the same time, I've never been comfortable with the vets also selling drugs. There is just too much of a conflict of interest--too much potential to choose a more expensive drug over a cheaper generic drug, to oversubscribe, to mark up excessively. Though this may not be entirely "wrong," it is an ethical gray area--and I think it undercuts clients' trust in vets. We certainly don't buy drugs from our human physicians. I'm not sure it is even legal to do so--probably because of the ethical issues.
I myself buy Frontline Plus, Synovi, ear cleaner, and fish pill supplements from Drs. Foster and Smith--at considerable savings over what my vet charges.

Arlene February 14th, 2007 10:09:00 PM

We just had our first puppy for three weeks now and have already spent so much money on meds. I went over the internet to 800-petmeds and realized that I was charged more than 2x the actual cost of the medicines they sold me at the Vet. On the second visit I tried to refuse my Vet with the med they're giving my puppy (persistent cough) and she told me that she won't charge much...and nope that didnt' happen. I paid $16.75 for 10pcs of Albon tablets. It's only $0.52/ea at 800-petmeds. Imagine that! Stupid me.....next time will definitely be a big NO...or we are out of that Vet. They are just so persistent about getting you to buy the medicine from them. It's ridiculously expensive! They want us to care for our pets as much as we want to but HOW when they're trying to get every penny out of you.....You end up not buying other things.

Schanuzer February 26th, 2007 02:10:00 PM

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