Every so often (at least a couple of times a week or more), prospective clients call with a few choice questions: How much is an office visit? A spay? Vaccines?
It tends to stop there. The caller typically acts horrified and hangs up in a disgusted huff: “How dare they?!,” I can almost hear them say (though I am on the other side of the room working on my charts and trying hard not to pay attention).
In case you needed to be told (and you guys never do), a veterinary practice is not like a Wal-Mart—we don’t match our competitor’s prices. We each do our own thing.
“Collusion” is what they call the other approach—the one where all the vet hospitals get together to artificially inflate prices. Somewhere back in the age of the robber-barons our society began trying to stop this consumer-unfriendly practice (and have been managing with middling success ever since).
While I believe strongly in the consumer’s right (and responsibility) to make intelligent, informed choices in every aspect of their financial lives, it does grate a bit to have your services decried on the basis of price alone—even before the client walks in the door.
I can tell by your interest in your pets’ well being that few (if any) of this blog’s readers found their vet by price shopping and coupon clipping. Most of you were either very fortunate and clicked with the first place you found, relied on the kindness of like-minded friends for referrals, or hopped around a bit until you settled on a great practice. In my opinion, there’s really no other sane way—that is, if you value healthcare.
The worst part of price-shopping? It generally doesn’t get you far in terms of finding the least expensive place to take your pets. All vets know about this consumer practice. So as not to scare away potential clients, many vets price their most “shoppable” services low (often well below market prices) and hope the pet owner doesn’t notice the up-charge on everything else. Perhaps by the time they notice they’re already madly in love with the practice or (more likely) their innate human laziness forestalls defection.
A good rule of thumb for price-shoppers (lifted from a traditional Cuban saying): You can buy something good, something pretty and something cheap but you can’t get all three in one purchase. Sure, sometimes you get lucky but, more often than not, looking for cheap above all else sacrifices the other two in ways you might not even imagine.
To add a little more confusion, there’s also the problem of believing that paying the most will get you the best. That approach, like price-shopping in reverse, tends to be ineffective as well, in my experience. Whether in Philadelphia, Miami, New York or Boston (four places I’ve spent significant time with pets), the highest priced emergency, specialty or general practice was typically the place in business the longest, not the one with the highest quality services. Unless they’re hampered by a seriously expensive location or a huge investment in extra-fancy equipment, most upstart practices (the ones with hungry, young minds) tend to be the most cost-effective in the high-quality arena.
I thoroughly dislike price-shopping so much that should I ever own a practice I’ll be sure to go the way of my current employer and price even my spays, neuters and vaccines at what I think they’re worth, not at numbers designed to “bring ‘em in.” God forbid I should have to deal with the penny-pinchers in every aspect of what I do. Smart consumerism is one thing, but pet owners looking to challenge my prices across the board?—that’s quite another…and they’ll just have to go elsewhere (I hope).
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I'm sitting here laughing, but I'm not laughing at you.
I'm laughing because the hospital that I was let go from after it was sold actually did a coupon thing for awhile. They became the butt of jokes for all the local animal hospitals around and stopped having their "Blue Light Specials" shortly there after.
Now I'm going to have to check the back of the phone book and wait for the next round of "Value Packs" to come in the mail to see if there are any vet clinic coupons in it.
Stacy March 18th, 2007 05:42:00 PM
*sigh* I wish I even got the option of shopping around w/ my bird. I'd have to drive an hour to get to the nearest "certified" avian vet, so since I don't want to put us both through that torture I use a local "uncertified" vet that sees lots of birds. And it's not like I know a lot of people with birds who I could ask for a recommendation. Basically I looked up the names in a phone book, drove past them, and picked the one that didn't look sketchy. If I liked them after the first checkup, I stayed with them.
zandperl March 18th, 2007 10:08:00 PM
I'm actually very lucky when it comes to my dog's vet. I live in Boston and my dog goes to the MSPCA Angell Memorial Hospital for all his vet needs. We go there because they're the best around. I even pay full price because I know I can afford it and help others who can't afford it pay less. It’s worth every penny. The way I see it is, why would I price shop for medical care for my dog when I wouldn’t do it for myself? I mean, you don’t see people calling different doctors’ offices asking how much they charge for an annual, a pap smear, or an appointment, do you? Or maybe people do that too!
Ana March 19th, 2007 07:54:00 AM
Although I wasn't "shopping" for the best price of a vet. After talking with some friends and such, I found out that my vet charged 50% more than their vets. And he always was mean to me. To the point I would leave in tears! One day I showed up for my appointment early and the vet had not returned from lunch. While I was sitting in the lobby one of his assistants called me to the counter. She informed me that she was putting in her notice by the end of the day. When I asked her why it was because she was comparing my file and prices to others and noticed that I was being charged almost $100.00 more than other clients. Now, I'm not mean, rude or anything. I asked her if she knew why. She said it was written in my file that I had never questioned the prices and that I was to be charged more, because I would do anything to help my poor animals. IT ACTUALLY SAID THAT!!! Well I did question him and he raised an eyebrow for a moment and then tried to twist it around and make me cry as he always did, telling me what an awful pet owner I was because I questioned him and didn't buy his top dollar food, and I told him I wanted copies of all of my records and he laughed at me and said, "You aren't going to go anywhere different." I wouldn't leave the office without my animals records and I've never shadowed that door again! Funny thing is I got a "flyer" in the mail from them saying price reductions for 2007! RIGHT!!!
Critter Mom March 19th, 2007 08:39:00 AM
The vet I worked for priced spays and neuters lower than any of her other surgeries not so much to "bring 'em in" but as a "service to the community" - she figured if the spay/neuter prices were lower, people would be more likely to spay and neuter their pets. I'm sure there was some "bring 'em in" reasoning as well, but I think it's a good idea to price spays and neuters low because people really, really, really need to have those surgeries done.
Critter Mom, I'm sorry you had such an awful experience! I hope you've found a better vet.
Julia March 19th, 2007 08:46:00 AM
I shopped around for my dogs' spays- does that make me a bad pet owner? (Gotta watch my tone- just got out of an ugly debate and shouldn't take it out here! LOL!)
No- it makes me an intelligent one. You shouldn't pay $400 for a spay 'just because'. I need a giant breed dog fixed. I know exactly what my vet requires and puts into spaying them- it would have been around $300. I talked to a few rescue people, looked around, talked to a hospital I never used before, went in and met a wonderful vet and I'll recommend it to anyone who needs to spay/neuter their pets! Am I making this my permanent vet? No- but I don't think I HAVE to pay an exorbitant amount to have a necessary surgery on my dog just because I like the vet I typically use. I know HE wouldn't use my services for something if he knew he could go elsewhere for the same, with a significantly lower price tag attached.
Of course, there are some vets you just NEED to use- for their specialties, etc- those vets, I stick with.
Katalyst March 19th, 2007 01:38:00 PM
I'll admit to a little price-shopping. I understand that vets ought to and have to make a profit for their expertise and services, and I don't begrudge them that at all (how could I, when I hope to one day own my own practice?!) I basically have 2 or 3 vets that I trust, and I go to each in different situations. My "primary" vet is my hometown vet, about 30 minutes away. He's been practicing for a long time and as the only vet in a fairly rural town, sees large and small animals. His staff is wonderful and they have helped me out numerous times, especially w/caring for stray/feral cats - and for that they have my loyalty. His services are greatly discounted, although I would never ask for a discount and wouldn't bat an eyelash if he charged more, b/c he deserves it. He's a no-nonsense old timer who may not be at the forefront of feline medicine, but I don't particularly care if the antibiotic ointment he sent home w/me came out of a huge tub intended for cattle. It works, and I trust his judgement. The second vet that I trust is one that I worked for briefly, but in the short time I worked for him I was truly amazed at his honesty and his morals, as well as his clinical skills. If I have an emergency or a situation that is somewhat complicated, I sometimes prefer to take my pets to him as his office is about 10 minutes away. He's a younger vet who doesn't hesistate to try novel treatments or procedures. And finally, another vet I worked for, who sees only cats. It wasn't the best job I ever had, but I came to respect her tremendously on a professional level, both for her "feline philosophy" and for her dedication to educating herself, her staff, and her clients on the newest in feline care. While I may not be able to afford her fees for things like regular dewormings and vaccinations (which I normally do myself), I immediately went to her when my oldest had a cancer scare (which turned out to be a perforated ear drum!). She would definitely be my choice for something like cancer therapy, diabetes management, etc.
So, maybe my method of choosing services is a bit of a faux-paus in the vet world in the sense that I pick and choose based on what I need and what each of them charges for specific services. There are certain things I just don't want to pay for at all - I can do them myself because I spend all day running around doing them for other people's pets as a vet assistant. But I feel like having two or three different levels of care, all with vets that I trust, allows me to give my pets a higher level of care than if I were to stick w/just one vet.
However, I don't understand why it's so hard hard to end a price-check w/a simple, guffaw-less "thank you". I think it's just poor manners.
anna March 19th, 2007 04:41:00 PM
i've always just taken my pets to the clinic where i've worked, but i can't imagine price-shopping for something like a spay or neuter or vaccines. my relationship with the vets and my trust in them is a huge part of things for me. i can't imagine taking my pet to somebody i don't know at all, with techs i don't know at all and a protocol i don't know at all and having them put my pet under anesthesia and perform surgery on them. if everything goes normally, then it wouldn't matter, but what if something comes up? what if there's a complication? i want my pet to be in the hands of somebody i know and trust.
maybe i just have issues, but that's huge to me.
elegy March 19th, 2007 05:48:00 PM
I am very offended by this article. I am not a "price shopper" but I think maybe I should be. I have to take my dog in for a cleaning and they want over $300, for a cleaning????
I am sorry that people and there lack of funds bother you. Maybe if animal medical care were more reasonable, people wouldn't have to price shop. Not everybody lives on a vets salary.
m March 21st, 2007 11:26:00 PM
m: I understand your frustration--really--I'm not just saying that. You'll find a lot of articles in this blog that detail the heartbreaking stories of pets whose owners cannot afford procedures their pets need to survive--much less the dentals, important though they may be. I make no value judgement on people who cannot possibly afford services. But I do find it frustrating that consumer unfriendly practices in our profession can serve to confuse people like you. As in, a $300 dental is often not as good as a $150 dental (what we charge at my practice for a basic cleaning). But sometimes it is. I want people to be consumer *smart* --and that's different that being a mindless price-shopper. Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression as to my basic point. Beyond this, please consider pet insurance. Although you still have a lot of out of pocket expenses with insurance, it could make the difference between life and death in your circumstances. Believe it or not, in mine, too.
Dr. Patty Khuly March 22nd, 2007 11:25:00 AM
When it comes to something serious I am not about to call around for a cheaper price. My vet is slightly more expensive than others in the area- but for the most part I trust them. For something like frontline or worming meds? I call around. $6 less on a pack of frontline at another vet means they'll be getting my business.
Amanda March 23rd, 2007 02:33:00 AM
My vet is fantastic...the first time I EVER used them was when I came home one night from work at 3am. My cat was laying in the floor, not moving. There was vomit and poo everywhere. I called my cat's regular vet, who said well that's how cats are. If he's still alive in the morning, call the office and bring him in!!!!! So, I cold-called my current vet, got the number out of the yellowpages at 3am. She told me to bring him in. I did. She was fairly sure he was dehydrated, and gave him a huge shot of fluids. She also drew blood. She then watched him for a bit, and since he was much improved, let me take him home. She also said that if he was ok in the morning, that they wouldn't do anything with the blood- no need to incur the expense if he just had a bug, or ate something that didn't agree with him. Well, he was fine the next day. My cost for the middle-of-the-night-I-never-met-you-before call out office visit? $50. That's right, just $50 bucks.
That was 14 years ago.
In the last 3 years, I have paid $300 for each of my dogs to be neutered. Just walking in to the office is a $70 charge. But, when I go for an initial problem that leads to several follow-up visits, I am usually not charged for those follow-up visits.
I have thought several times of going to a cheaper vet, as I am on a very limited income. But, like the way I feed my guys, if you scrimp one way, you'll end up paying out somewhere else. We go to the vet only when we need titre tests or if we are ill. I can't afford to go for minor stuff- I've been through enough ear problems that I can intervene and heal up to a point. Pretty much, if there is pain involved, we go to the vet. The last vet visit we had, my standard poodle had pulled a groin muscle.....yeah that's right...he was in pain and that's all that mattered. I paid $90 for reassurance that it wasn't a fatal disease and for some pain killers.
I agreee that the neutering should be MUCH more affordable. The more elective stuff- tail dockings, ear cropping, declawing.... charge more for that.
I'd like to see a PA for vets, so that when you have a minor problem i.e. ear gunk... it would be an incentive and less of a charge to get them in EARLY to a PA (or VA I guess).
All in all, when my kids are sick, I want them BETTER. I also want to be able to eat after I have been to the vet.
Agadore's momma March 24th, 2007 03:26:00 AM
I find it funny that you are complaining about price shopping and blogging about "how it is" when you admit in your blog that you, in fact, have never owned/run you own clinic. Maybe you should blog about it when you actually do it.
Get a life!
Chris October 3rd, 2007 08:46:00 PM
No, now, Chris, remember to be civil. Because of the way I'm compensated, I do consider myself an "invested party" in the marketing of our services--especially when it comes to pricing. Are you, by any chance, a vet office manager? Whether you are or not, do you have some objection to my thoughts you'd like to post in a more constructive manner?
Dr. Patty Khuly October 4th, 2007 10:25:00 AM
You get what you pay for. All spays are not the same. Why can one vet charge 150 while another charges 300. Did you ask whether pain medication is given, what monitoring devices are used during the anesthesia, what is the anesthetic, was there any pre anesthetic blood screening done to minimize risks of anesthesia, what is the quality and age of the equipment used, what about the suture material-is it the cheap stuff, who's watching the dog during recovery (I bet the 300 spay hospital is able to staff better and have someone watch your pet). All services are not the same and you get what you pay for. Don't think the the vet charging 150 takes home 50% of the other guy. He just cuts costs by sacrificing quality.--Dr. Jeff Bloomberg,Schaumburg, IL
Dr. Jeff November 11th, 2007 11:23:00 PM
I have a vet who I have used for years. But am very disapointed in the fact that I was charged 4 times more for bringing in my dogs puppies than my daughter was just six months ago. I was told several things after calling them to try and figure out what happened. First I was told because we sold a puppy while in the waiting room ( which we did in fact not do but did speak to a women who approched us about purchasing a puppy). Then I was told that the bill that my daughter recieved was a "mistake" but this "mistake" happened twice with tow other litters that my daughter brought in for first shots and deworming. I have yet to speak to the vet about this but feel that this practice is very unfair and will have to take my business elsewhere and will not recommend this vet to anyone of the hundreds of animal lovers and owners I know. Seems like this is double dipping to me because the vet charged me for eight office visits instead of how they charged my daughter twice with only one visit and shots for all puppies. Very unfair but hoping that they will clear this up as I will definetly be standing outside thier office with a sign concerning this every week-end until it is..
Kimberly Hafford February 9th, 2008 12:39:00 PM
And even if you did sell a puppy in the office, so what?? That gives them the right to charge you a higher fee? Don't think so! I would find another vet!
mm February 9th, 2008 02:12:00 PM
We have our "regular" vet that I go to for flea/hw meds, and other OTC meds. This is also where we go for illnesses and issues. There are 2 vets at this clinic I see (I've met the others and don't care for them.) Just today our 3y/o pit bull went in because she's been super itchy and her pooping habits have changed. Turns out she's got a mild staph infection due to flea allergy (I also live in FL and we're battling again). Dr even did a digital rectal exam on her (and she was such a good girl!!!) due to our concerns about her digestive tract. Since all seemed pretty well, and the dr felt it was okay, she got her distemper and bordetella updated. As far as meds, she has cephalexin and we got some cestex and i also just found out two days ago she's got tapes. All this for under $100.00. However, in January my mom's cat had to have her tail removed (long story, car accident) and "our" clinic wanted 500.00 to remove it. Their regular cat spay is 115.00, as a comparison. We ended up shopping around and having a vet we used to go to (who sold his practice and then couldn't do housecalls here, and who does surgery in the next city over) and he did it for 250.00. Much as we adore that clinic, 500.00 for a tail removal was out of our budget, but very necessary. I do, however, normally get felv/fiv tests, hw tests, and first sets of vax (which I haven't had to do in a while, thankfully!! no new kids in almost 2 years) at yet a different clinic down the street that is a bit cheaper. However, the vet there SUCKS. So, anything beyond basics, goes to the trusted place. And I never recommend the dr to anyone, and send "my" vets LOTS of business. But that is what you're supposed to do to keep the relationship with your vet healthy.
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