Vet School 101 Smell the fear: Thunderstorm phobia in dogs

March 23rd, 2007  

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My question is, how much of these fear has to do with a dogs hearing. Are they responding because the noise hurts their ears, or is it something else?

Stacy March 23rd, 2007 08:12:00 AM

I've always heard the anxiety is keyed initially into the change in barometric pressure. This is the hint to go get safe. The Bang is also reacted to, but they already feeling safe, it can be ignored.

My dog reacts to fireworks like lightening, but only if in a place where she doesn't feel safe. For Fourth of July, she is encouraged to sit with my mom in the living room, while we cross the lack or go down to the point for the bang-bangs. Normally she is encouraged to come down to the point with us, so it's almost a signal to get ready for the noise, and she will just lie down by Mom and relax.

One of our cats is weather sensitive. Pepe has to hide under my desk during the worst weather. Since this is where Dog used to hide, she just becomes a burr on my side. Since there is competition for the hiding, they've both relaxed a little about it. They get along, but are far from friends.

Georg March 23rd, 2007 08:39:00 AM

What about Rescue Remedy? I've heard it recommend for a lot of dogs who are having anxiety issues (thunderstorms, separation anxiety, etc)?

Katie March 23rd, 2007 08:44:00 AM

I use Rescue Remedy and have gotten mixed results.

If I get to the dogs when they become aware of a storm is coming, they do okay with it. If I apply it when the storm is close, I may as well rub water on their gums as their adrenaline rush has already kicked in.

Stacy March 23rd, 2007 08:49:00 AM

Someone told me to put the dog in the bathroom. Something about the pipes lessening the barometric pressure change? She exhibits symptoms long before the thunder starts.
I have tried melatonin but it doesn't seem to help.
I live in Michigan and our thunderstorms just started this week. It gonna be a long summer.

Brenda March 23rd, 2007 11:26:00 AM

What is Rescue Remedy? I have a lab/pit bull mix who shivers and shakes at the first sign of a thunderstorm.

Ann March 23rd, 2007 12:44:00 PM

I haven't tried it yet, as NY's thunderstorm season has not yet begun,but was told to use dryer sheets to rub down the nervous dog's entire coat, as they are feeling the static electricity in the air as the storm approaches, and the dryer sheet releases that feeling. Definitely going to give it a try first chance I get!

Margaret March 23rd, 2007 12:55:00 PM

It is also important to not get stressed yourself. The dogs take their cues from us. If they see us freaking out they think, wow it must REALLY be bad! Saying it's ok repeatedly and trying to soothe them can have the oposite effect. Remember they don't understand all the words, they are instead reading our body language at all times. Petting them when they are showing a behavior we do not want only serves to tell them it is ok to do also. (Obviously for serious cases the horse is already out of the barn. Find a behaviorist for help.) I've seen some cases where the owners attempt to console the dog simply made them worse instead. Sometimes because the dog chews something up during a storm to aleviate stress and then gets in trouble for it. (maybe it was a shoe or a table leg instead of an appropriate toy) Then that can become it's own pattern and they associate the storm with getting into trouble (not because of the item they are chewing-remember it's about the dogs perception) so they get even more stressed during storms.

Marie March 23rd, 2007 12:57:00 PM

Ann- Rescue Remedy is a homeopathic stress remedy. You should be able to find it at any health food store. http://www.bachflower.com/

Stacy March 23rd, 2007 01:00:00 PM

Thank's Stacy I will check at our local health food store.

Ann March 23rd, 2007 01:27:00 PM

I wonder if storm (and firecracker) noise phobias are increasing in the dog population. Did vets of generations ago not see as much?

I've noticed that among the flockguard dogs, there seems to be trends for some breeds to have more likelihood of fear although entire litters do not necessarily turn out the same way but some breeds are affected more than others.

Do working gun dogs have fear of storm and fireworks? As I see it, it's not entirely a 'noise' problem but there are other elements that dogs pick up on (so recordings of storms will really not have a curative effect as some might assume). I don't really know.

Semavi Lady March 24th, 2007 04:17:00 AM

Rescue remedy and other floral extracts get mixed results, as stacy notes. But rescue remedy and other non-drugs are no match for most well-established phobias. Sure, they help, but you'll get the most bang for your buck (no pun intended) by working with the CDs and a bucketfull of treats.

On the issue of what the real cause of the phobia might be--it seems it's a combination of things: noise, barometric pressure and electromagnetic changes associated with lightning (hence the successful use of the wraps and shields--though it sounded like voodoo to me until the behaviorist explained it to me).

The most important thing I learned from her: don't ignore the early warning signs.

Dr. Patty Khuly March 24th, 2007 07:03:00 AM

Semavi Lady: There does seem to be a genetic predisposition in some dogs. And while it may not be the sound that they initially react to, constant sensitization to the sound as a component of the "bad stimulus," whatever it might originally be, makes for serious fear of the sound as well. Therefore, the CDs are an important tool. If you can desensitize them to the sound, theoretically, you can desensitize them to what comes with it.

Dr. Patty Khuly March 24th, 2007 08:14:00 AM

I wonder if the increasing frequency of dogs being sensitive to storms isn't at least partially due to a pregnant bitch's reaction to a storm- all her pups would be exposed to her internal stress reactions, which could lead to the fear being "hard-wired" into their system prior to birth?

Margaret March 24th, 2007 10:15:00 AM

Margaret: Dryer sheets might help since they might deal with the electromagnetic issues the same way the storm shields do. The behaviorist also mentioned tin foil. Perhaps placing tin foil or a storm shield over a crate might help those who have to stay in crates so they don't tear themselves up while their human is out.

As to the increasing frequency--I'm sure there are plenty of environmental factors for this phobia. if not, I wouldn't see so many disproportionately affected rescue dogs.

Dr. Patty Khuly March 26th, 2007 09:54:00 AM

Our dog has been terrified of thuderstorms and heavy rain since New Years Eve's fireworks this year. He used to find a safe spot downstairs at our last house, but since we have moved into a new house just a week ago, we had our first storm today, no one was home, and when we got home Rufus had chewed most of our back door off, leaving only a thin skeleton of a door. He practically has a fit and hurts himself, has ripped fur off his back by squeesing through a fence etc, and destroys property when a storm hits. He starts panicking about an hour before the storm. Our other dog just sleeps right through it. We dont want to turn to drugs without trying other methods. He is generally a sensitive high energy dog, with a lovely nature. Its okay if we are home we can let him in, but what happens when we are at work and he has a panic attack? Any advice would be great...I will start on the Lavender Oil and have been surfing the net for training techniques..Rufus' case is definately severe...thanks.

Bec April 4th, 2007 11:55:00 AM

My girl is absolutely terrified of thunderstorms. She has gotten worse since last summer and we finally had to use the medication from the vet. She has jumped out the window 3 times when I have been at work - thank goodness for my great neighbors, twice last summer and once this year. We can no longer leave the windows in the living room open when we are at work. This season she pushed through the side panel of the air conditioner 5 inches wide at the most (she is a 45 lb border collie and I don't know how she fit through that opening but she was determined to get out) The medication was a last resort, but it is for her own safety, I stll use other "remedies" but I don't mix any substances. I have DAP, Ace bandages for a wrap, melatonin, herbal remedies, benadryl and more. I've googled the poop out of this to find relief for my baby, but she is a severe case. There must be a storm within 200 miles because she just now went under the bed, the poor thing. I have a collection of articles on my website http://www.diygirl.net on the subject under pet care, it's so sad to see a dog get that scared.

Julie June 26th, 2007 09:07:00 PM

Julie, did you read the article by Karen Overall?
http://www.dolittler.com/index.cfm/2007/3/23/pet.v...

With the 4th of July coming up (for those of us in the US), I know some of my friends are going to need to be prepared. I'm not aware of any that have had any success with 'training' or conditioning this problem to cure it.

Semavi Lady June 26th, 2007 10:06:00 PM

oops, copy paste isn't working right for me -- need to reboot
Here's the correct link
http://dvm.adv100.com/dvm/article/articleDetail.js...

Semavi Lady June 26th, 2007 10:09:00 PM

Hi, thanks for the link to the article, I've readi it several times. My vet prescribed the acepromazine and that is helping. I would rather not any drugs in the house the humans can get into, because they will and from what I have seen the acepromazine is specifically for animals. I also work full time and am not able to administer a drug just before and during a storm and I have been able to give her the acepromazine at lunch time for late afternoon storms. I appreciate the article and if I have to move on from the acepromazine it has given me some direction.
Currently we are in the middle of a severe storm (I have the day off from work) and this storm caught us by surprise. Sable was fine all morning then we heard a huge rumble (it was a little more than an hour before the storm) so I gave her the medicine and she did not go into her full blown panic. I will be very careful with this but she does better with this than she has with anything else.

Julie July 6th, 2007 04:10:00 PM

Glad you were able to intervene and help Sable. Poor girl, poor you!

With the new possibilities offered by molecular genetics study, maybe it will be possible to identify markers, behavioral QTLs and their triggers that are involved with this type of panic behavior. Maybe with enough breeds studied, including coat colors, ages, neuter status/age of neutering and samplings of unaffected dogs with similar phenotype, maybe new and better protocols could be had. I wonder if there is a group that has started such a study already?

Semavi Lady July 6th, 2007 08:45:00 PM

I'm all for Melatonin. It worked wonders in a severely thunder phobic Border Collie, and I now use it before storms and the 4th to avert any growing anxiety in my dogs. I know that one of them has the propensity to develop noise issues as she leaves the room after people sneeze. In a past BC, that behavior just got more pronounced as time went on.

I don't see much reason to try and recreate a sneeze situation to work on behavior modification, and really, the behavior is just fine, leaving a room is no big deal and not worth daily medication to prevent. But the amount of damage my poor BC did to himself on the 4th, chewing through a door, is certainly worth the ease and small cost of a few drops of Melatonin on the tongue.

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abby February 1st, 2009 09:01:00 PM

I read an article by a woman who had a severely thunder-phobic dog, and the older and more hard of hearing he got, the less he minded storms.  When he went completely deaf, he no longer got upset AT ALL during storms.  This seems to indicate that it's the noise. But my dog does not mind gunshots, which are very prevalent (and close by) around our house in the fall, but the older he gets, the more freaked out he is when a storm comes. He has full-blown panic attacks - panting, pacing, heart racing - sometimes for hours.  I have tried just ignoring him and acting as if nothing is going on, pheramones, Valium, tight shirts, crating him, holding him (he usually tries to get very close to me), all to no avail.  It is truly pathetic to see, and I always worry he'll have a heart attack.  Thanks for the above link to the DVM article - (I see that a heart attack actually is possible) - lots of helpful advice.  Time to try some Melatonin and also to visit the vet for some other meds.

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