Vet P.O.V. Protection’s in peril for our endangered species…again

March 28th, 2007  

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I agree. I might get ripped for this, but... buy a fishing license, or a hunting license, even if you have no desire to hunt or fish, as much of the funds from the sale of both go toward conservation; and conservation might just be what it takes to slow the mass destruction of wildlife habitat.

Margaret March 28th, 2007 06:47:00 PM

You won't get ripped by me...I have one, too.

Dr. Patty Khuly March 28th, 2007 06:51:00 PM

My cynical side says the only way people will notice is if we DO make a bunch of species extinct, and so we should hurry it up as much as possible so they notice sooner. An even more bitter side says that humans have already doomed the Earth, so we might as well use it up and move on to another planet.

But my practical side thankfully doesn't listen, and votes for protection of this only planet that we have, and that we are methodically destroying.

zandperl March 28th, 2007 08:04:00 PM

As one active on Livestock protection dog forums, and knowing a few people using these dogs and some people in places like Idaho who had once romanticized saving the wolf, there are some genuine issues there where the numbers of wolves naturally able to live in close quarters has been exceeded so the wolves are getting bolder and more acclimated to human proximity.

On the ranges and closer to home in some locations, the livestock dogs can not face aggressive wolf packs. Dogs are effective in some instances but not all. Dog losses occur and then livestock losses follow due to unprotected animals. Dogs that are killed are not reimbursed although dead stock can get the farmer some cash back. But many of the farmers are first generation and actually have given names to some their livestock... That's a whole nother thing.

I don't have a lot of up to date info on stats but looking through some email from the last two quarters, I do have some links -
http://www.kora.unibe.ch/en/proj/cdpnews/cdpnews00...
http://westerngraywolf.fws.gov/annualrpt05/Figure6.pdf
http://westerngraywolf.fws.gov/
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammal...
http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?issue_date=08-...

I won't include stories about kids being stalked by wolves in their own backyards because I have no way of knowing if those stories are true, or due to locals in the above areas over reacting.

It is not possible for me to pick a side even on the wolf issue because there are problems about management that do not meet the public eye.

I'm also no expert on reforestation but there are areas where the wrong types of trees were used. These are mistakes of human origin.

Playing god is hard. Mankind is not a natural.

Semavi Lady March 29th, 2007 03:28:00 AM

If I sent money to any eviromental cause in this state, it would end in somebody else's pocket.

There has been an ongoing battle over whether to build windmill farms off of Natucket. They would be a clean source of energy that everybody would benefit from, but because John Kerry and Ted Kennedy like to go on their personal booze cruises, they claim that it will obstruct their view as if they are really going out for "the view."

When they were called on that, they blamed everything on the Coast Guard. They said that the Coast Guard would have a problem with it should somebody get into trouble while being out on their boats. That didn't last long as the Coast Guard came back and asked them what they were talking about as these farms wouldn't be an issue.

Coyotes are not rare, but because people insist on having a shopping mall, Dunkin' Dounuts, McDonalds and everything else every couple of miles, people have been complaining about how their cats and small dogs keep disappearing for the past number of years. If people stopped building stuff in every nook and cranny, the coyotes might actually start keeping the deer population in check instead of eating peoples cats and small dogs.

We have a pack of them that live in the power lines behind the house. They were making all kinds of noise the other night over something, but for the most part, most people are not even aware that they are there. It's one place they can go as they won't be bothered and since we have deer around, there are food sources for them although I'm sure a few cats that have ben posted as missing have acted like a meal.

People don't like to think beyond themselves as after all who would be impressed with that? It's easier to build a 5,000 square foot house with 3 people living in it as that will impress the Johnsons next door.

The same can be said for the wolves. People insist on turning everything into money, so they build and build and build and bad things start to happen. It has nothing to do with playing God, it's all about money.

Stacy March 29th, 2007 06:41:00 AM

Pardon the religious comments I'm about to make.

But Bush and Co. claim to be Christian, yet they don't follow the first tenets laid out in Genesis, that Adam and Eve were given the charge of caretakers of the Earth. This does not mean permission to destroy it- it's take care of it. And frankly, they aren't. I feel like he read Maciavelli and 1984 as training manuals, instead of attempting the Bible as he claims.

Georg March 29th, 2007 07:36:00 AM

Stacy: isn't MassPiRG a good advocate for environmental issues in your state? (you're in MA, I assume?)

Dr. Patty Khuly March 29th, 2007 08:26:00 AM

Yes I live in MA.

The problem with enviromental groups here ( atleast the ones that I'm aware of) is they are not consistant with what their goals are and what they want to accomplish. They tend to be wishy-washy and go with the times instead of sticking to their original agenda or purpose. It's like PETA on a less extreme level which I'm not a fan of.

If a group or community of people wants to save something, they shouldn't be swayed by what the media or what the nay-sayers think. Since your original post was about wolves, if people that want to help the wolf population, they shouldn't be accepting funds from hunters so they have more money to get their information out to people. I'm not saying that happens, but things of such nature do happen.

The state of Maine has this thing every year where they set up mechanical animals. The two most often used are moose and deer. These mechanical animals are set up off in the distance from a highway and move their heads like a real deer or moose that look like they are grazing and there are cameras watching these areas for the entire time they are set up. The reason for these fake animals being put up in the first place is to make sure that people are not hunting them in the off season.

Either last year or the year before, game wardens were caught shooting at the mechanical moose when they were the ones that were supposed to be protecting the moose and the moose population during the off season. Whether they were part of any type of conservation group or not I don't know, but usually when it comes to protecting a animal species, game wardens are involved even if they are not in the thick of things. They are there to enforce the state's law which in a way helps those that want to protect { insert animal species here}

It's these types of situations that completely turn me off and it happens more often than not. I think the only ones here that actually follow the law of the land here is a group called "Clean Harbors". They have been working hard to get the disgusting mess in Boston Harbor cleaned up over the past many years and have been standing up against developers that would like nothing more than back fill all of our wetlands so they can build more Wal*Marts or whatever. They do other stuff as well, but for the most part when there is a problem or somebody decides to try and do something stupid, they are usually all over it. If there is anything weird going on with them they keep it hidden well as I don't remember ever hearing anything bad about them.

I won't start about issues like the Big Dig or the Big Pig as I call it as that was a disaster even before it started.

Stacy March 29th, 2007 09:47:00 AM

Oh boy....another all-round controversial subject.

From what I can see, conservation world wide works on the rules of :
- is it cute? And cuteness stops if it bites my dog or my brat when we invade it's habitat.
- is it's limited habitat somewhere where we can pack in huge numbers of people on very expensive developments, most of which will have a pic of the 'cute' species that lived there before
people trashed the place.
- can we then complain furiously about it eating our invasive-species flowerbeds.
- can we then make wildlife rescue groups such as the one I work for come and remove the last of the species in the area, because they are annoying us

And then....as the last insult, can we then put up large signs saying 'home of the bushbaby' etc,
when we have done every possible thing to destroy their environment, and cornered the last of the survivors into a 100m wide strip - said strip only exising because it's not suitable for building on.

Wildlife worldwide has become a lose-lose battle. We take their space, and then kill them when they eat the invasive species we put there. We pride ourselves on having them, but god help the raccoon who trashes your dustbin.

Funnily enough, as a wildlife rehab worker, I agree - support every hunter's group possible. Because they are the ones with the power to enforce a natural zone, and the willingness to yell loudly. And if the reason they do it is so that they can go shoot things......heck. At least they are ensuring that there are things to be shot, and places in which to do it.

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