Vet Stress Professional/legal vet stress in the wake of the pet food recall (the cat's still in the bag)

April 6th, 2007  

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I expect that vet costs will rise as well, to make up for your increased insurance costs, and the increased ... cautiousness required. As a result, either (a) fewer pet parents will bring their pets to the vet, and the average care for a pet will go down, or (b) pet health insurance and managed care will increase, probably also bringing down the average care for pets. :(

zandperl April 6th, 2007 10:46:00 AM

I think people would feel a lot better if their vets would stop selling/pushing Hills food. You can barely find a vet that doesn't stock that garbage right in the lobby. That in itself adds credibility to the product. Thank God I never fell for it; never bought any despite my vet wanting me to.

Vets across the nation need to do their own nutrition research and not rely on Hills. It's time to dump Hills and all of their products.

Shannon April 6th, 2007 03:06:00 PM

I totally agree about the Hills food. I never fed it even when I worked for a vet. If you read the label you can SEE it is a sub-standard food. To be fair to the vets, they are not nutritionists unless they made it their specialty. (they do deal in multiple species patients so their plate is pretty full admittedly) Those specialty vets don't sell Hills. It seems like a huge conflict of interest if you ask me. But of course it is business after all and they do make a chunk of change on the sale of food products.

Marie April 6th, 2007 04:31:00 PM

The problem is that vets are heavily influenced in their training at vet school by pet food companies. Scholarships, free products, "guest lecturers" from pet food companies on nutrition -- no wonder vets have so little knowledge about nutrition!

I think it is wrong that vets PRESCRIBE and SELL pet food. After all, doctors don't sell veggies in their office do they?

The one story that hasn't been picked up on is the fact that vets are in an unconscious (or maybe conscious) collusion with the industry. They make a commission on every pet food product they sell you. They own the distribution companies that distribute all pet food and all pharmaceuticals. It's to the point where you can't even pick up a medicine for your cat without getting a frigging script from a vet thus paying for yet another "consultation". They are the shareholders in these distribution companies.

This needs to stop and clearly there are conflict of interest issues at stake. Unfortunately many vets are too arrogant and too concerned about the bottom line to look at the real cause of this -- commercial food that is basically cereal and god knows what other kind of chemicals that are creating illness in pets.

As people are realizing that the food their vet PRESCRIBED has caused their pet's IBD, Feline Diabetes (now an epidemic) CRF and other illnesses they will blame the vets.

What are the vets doing about this? Nothing as far as I can see.

Carol Aa April 6th, 2007 04:44:00 PM

I would like to give praise to all the Vets out there who have worked so tirelessly trying to save our pets! I cannot imagine the stress that they too have been under these last few weeks. They love animals too, which is why they became Veterinarians. Just the number of phone calls every day must be overwhelming, then to have to deal with so many pets dying and the grief their owners are going through. God bless you all.

Lauren April 6th, 2007 06:02:00 PM

As a pet owner with an immense interest in animal health, I think you are right that this recall greatly increases the risk to veterinarians and their practices. Having a dog with several problems (and spending over $25K in vet services in the last 4 years), I can see where vets are leery of the liability issue. But I recognize that if the same things done for her were done for a human, the costs would be much higher. I may be one of the few pet owners who feels that compensation in the form of punitive (loss of companionship) damages may not necessarily belong in this industry. Our pets often hide their distress and so when one does get to a vet, a problem may have gone on longer that a human would tolerate and that makes it that much more difficult to treat. And the fact that when there are vague symptoms for so many things, just adds to the complexity. I could agee perhaps with the actual costs of vet care over the life of the animal being compensated for - maybe. In cases of outright neglect or malpractice or cruelty, heavy fines and revocation of licenses are be more appropriate (jmo). But who can determine what a dog or cat is worth in companionship? Is it $1,000, $10,000, $100,000, $1,000,000, etc... No one will agree on a number.

Ron April 6th, 2007 06:11:00 PM

" It's to the point where you can't even pick up a medicine for your cat without getting a frigging script from a vet thus paying for yet another "consultation". They are the shareholders in these distribution companies."

I'm not sure if I'm following you with this or not, but vets have to give a script for prescription meds, it's the law whether they are share holders or not.

Stacy April 6th, 2007 06:50:00 PM

I think you're being naive about what's going to happen with lawsuits. What, exactly, do you think the manufacturers did wrong -that was negligent-? They didn't truck in secret loads of low-quality foodstuffs with which to poison the pets of America. They got a bad batch of something: no rules were in place requiring testing and no precedent was in place suggesting they should test it even if testing wasn't required.

After Menu Foods pulled their products, Cornell jumped on the case and with great fanfare (and I think with approving clucks from you) announced that the problem was aminopterin. Which, in fact, turns out to be not true. But, yay Cornell, that "rat poison" meme provided a quick and dirty explanation of all the dying pets and will probably remain in people's minds a long time.

Now it's clear (maybe) that the substance causing the problems is melamine, a dinky single ring compound that has very little in common with the chunk of chickenwire that is aminopterin. (Although let's be kind: both are amines, which might have led a college sophomore astray in trying to identify one or the other compound.) Though as an industrial chemical melamine has been tested in animals, it doesn't have scary toxicity in the species such tests are done on. In fact, it may just be that when it comes to clearing melamine, cats are just darn unlucky. I think we'd better hope so, if it's true that this batch of gluten also made it into human food products.

I think what will happen is that suits will be filed and rapidly consolidated; cases against brands will be dismissed in favor of a suit against manufacturering plants using this batch of gluten; there will be a class action settlement, and it will come down to consumers receiving some quantity--of money or pet food coupons-- per unit of food purchased, because that is the easiest thing for the court to quantify in a standard way.

On the other hand, suits against clinics will be another kettle of fish, especially for animals presented after the news of this problem had begun to break. Scary. I feel for you.

Thing One April 6th, 2007 08:19:00 PM

Thing One:
When a biopsy report hits my desk saying a pet has cancer,
then I proceed to do nothing for a month,
and it's a kind of cancer that could have responded well had I jumped on it quickly,
but instead the pet dies while I'm twiddling my thumbs and ignoring my job,
then I'm negligent.

When pet food companies suspect something's wrong with their foods but they spend a month dicking around trying to figure it all out instead of telling us to stop using the foods while they're working on the problem, then they should take some responsibility, too.

It wasn't their grain and it wasn't their intention to poison pets--no doubt. But it's clear that they should have been far more proactive in making the news known--earlier, more effectively, etc. In so many ways they failed us.

I also have to agree with Carol Aa. There *is* a conflict of interest. We do *prescribe* these foods for no good reason except that it improves the prescribed pet food company's image in their customers' eyes. It's a marketing ploy, plain and simple, for reasons of distribution (so only vets get to sell the food and make a profit from recommending it) and caché (it's prescribed by my vet so it *must* be good).

Some vets know the score and hate it but don't have many other options for restricted diets people will actually feed their pets (try getting most people to cook for their pets--I dare you). This is my scenario: our hospital is probably the only one in creation that actually loses money by stocking the few foods we do (don't ask but it's true--I was psyched when the local Pet Supermarket started stocking Rx foods).

Other vets are happy to get in bed with anyone who will feed their bank accounts.

But most vets? They fall somewhere in between. For the record, I've written an editorial in Vet Economics on this issue. My point? Too many of us vets are far too complacent about our relationship with the pet food companies and it's time to stop.

But let me protect my brethren here: It's hard to be fully enlightened about each and every thing that crosses your desk. And even when you are, how much good will your mouthing off do unless you've got a good crisis to yell about?

Sure, the pet food companies might suck but feed me an alternative I can feed my clients. Remember, I'm working against P&G and human nature here, not the local feed store and a stray dog's appetite.

Still, you're right. I believe we vets get a solid D in nutrition because we've *outsourced it.* We've let the pet food conglomerates dictate to us because it's convenient to have "home care" that comes in a bag. But, as we've all learned, outsourcing production is an excellent recipe for contamination.

And, finally, don't assume that because Hill's hands out scholarships that we suddenly start sucking up. I won one during my tenure in vet school and, still, I have no special love for their product. Can't you tell?

Dr. Patty Khuly April 6th, 2007 09:12:00 PM

I'm not saying this event isn't an awful thing. It is. But was the manufacturer "dicking around"? Did they "spend a month" doing it? The longest timeline from Huh? to Recall that I've seen is 24 days, and that is using a day 0 that seems to come direct from the PR machine of PETA and thus should be taken with a salt lick rather than a grain.

Judging from their continued deer-in-the-headlights PR response, Menu Foods doesn't seem to have hidden capacities beyond making pet foods (at multiple factories, and in two countries). I doubt in late February when this story began to unfold that they had the in house capacity to ask the cause-and-effect questions required to understand a.) if they were involved; b.) if so, what factory(s) were involved and c.) what foods prepared at those factories were involved?

Even with PETA's start date, how many days do you think it took to get appropriate boots on the ground so that those questions could be asked? How many days do you think it would take a consultant to make a plan for asking those questions and put it into place in multiple factories?

The foods recalled were made up until March 6, which suggests that the epidemiology didn't look concern-worthy until that day. The recall was made on March 16 after animal tests. I'm not sure you could do the epidemiology, much less the small-scale animal testing that led to the recall, in a time frame that's much tighter.

[Here's a fun gee whiz number: how long do you think it took the world's public health agencies working together (eventually around the clock) to notice and define SARS, much less contain it? That's the current gold standard for responding to an unexpected public health event. SARS isn't subtle, and it moves a bit faster than renal failure.]

Thing One April 6th, 2007 11:28:00 PM

a little of the mark here, but could ya stop using pitbulls as your negative example? I own a standard poodle, also. Please...feel free to use him. He doesn't have the PR problems the pittie does.....

agadore's mom April 7th, 2007 12:16:00 AM

I wouldn't dream of sueing my vet. This fellow did everything he knew to do to save my dogs. Unfortunately, there was nothing specific for him to follow. He used his knowledge and current treatment plans for ARF. I lost one, have another home being watched and another that seems to have beat the odds.

My anger is more toward Alpo than Menu Foods at this point. I fed my pets Menu Food cuts because my local store was out of Alpo cuts for about 2 weeks. All my dogs got a stomach virus while on this food...I thought. I went back to Alpo the next food buying trip. Then the recall came from Menu Foods. Still thinking I was safe, kept feeding the dogs Alpo.

Then the true illnesses started. Alex first, I thought it was a repeat of the stomach thing a couple weeks early only she did not get over it. Day three we went to the vet. She was in ARF. IVs were started, etc. The next day, Charlie was struck down hard. Again, ARF. By Monday Cassie was taken to the vet for blood work. She was symptom free other than no appetite or energy. Her BUN was over 130.

After 4 days of IV therapy, Alex came home - tired but seemingly over the hump....Guess what I fed her. Fortunately Charlie was still fighting for his life at the vet and was not given any of this food.

Alex was sick again by day two. She died at the vet Wednesday. Charlie is home under watch.

The recall for Alpo came out last Saturday, 3 days after Alex was struck down the second time.

They mentioned the sophistocated tracking system that allowed them to know where this tainted wheat gluten was and what foods were affected. My question to them is, why did you not use that sophistocated system before when you had to have known that you also used the supplier that Menu Foods had.

Will I sue, not willingly, however I do want them to pay my vet bills. Sue my vet - absolutely not. He did everything he knew to do. The problem is no one really knows what the toxin is. That leaves the vets in a best guess mode.

Sad in Alabama April 7th, 2007 02:34:00 AM

agadore: You are so right. I should be more careful. (didn't realize I used them often). And, btw, I abhor breed-specific legislation and grew up with a pit bull so I should be more sensitive by default. Tell your sp he'll be up next on my list of "nasty dog" examples, not that any reed deserves it.

Dr. Patty Khuly April 7th, 2007 08:53:00 AM

Thing One: I totally agree that it's impossible to know anything beyond a reasonable doubt. And I'm with you on the PETA thing. But they started testing six days after what they term "the initial report" on Feb 25th or so. Did it take almost three more weeks to see changes in creatinine levels or see casts in the urine? If they stopped manufacturing on March 6th then that's the day they should have issued a recall. I suspect that's when their own first cases started decompensating (otherwise, why take such a drastic step?)

It's this timeline that irks me beyond belief. And the companies involved? Even if they weren't informed until the day of the recall, which I believe highly improbable, why did they not take dramatic steps to safeguard their customers across the board? They certainly have the resources to make that happen--in a weekend.

But they didn't. In fact, they haven't. They've instead tried to put as much distance between themselves and Menu Foods as possible, hence the "deer-in-the-headlights," "let-'em-hang-themselves" approach taken by P&G and others. I think this was basically bad Machiavellian thinking that *should* come back to bite them in the butt.

As to response machine: The machine sure knows how to respond when it comes to humans. Consider the spinach scare out of Salinas a few months back. It took 48hrs for the *potential* connection to be drawn. It took 0 time after that for *all* spinach in the country to go into the trash bins. Food scares are far easier to deal with epidemiologically (once we already have a suspicious product in our hands) than a new infectious disease like SARS.

And thanks for your continued interest in this issue. I appreciate your critical thinking. Please continue to tell me when you think I'm wrong or off-base. But I don't think I need to ask...

Dr. Patty Khuly April 7th, 2007 09:30:00 AM

The timeline is freaking me out as well. Why is Sunshine just now pulling their treats? My Seamus is raw fed but I was out of town two weekends ago and my mom bought and fed him some of those Ol Roy puppy biscuits. I trashed them when I got home, but if it had been part of the bad batch - he could have been suffering or died in that two week time period. He has been tested and is fine, but those products should have been pulled long ago!

Cheryl April 7th, 2007 01:58:00 PM

I made a statement on another blog that the problem is greed. The only reason commercial petfood manufacturers are in the business is tyo make a buck. If they really cared about our animals, they'd have admitted to a problem as soon as they were aware of it.
I can understand that accidents happen- sometimes it's no one's fault. But what sets this apart from an accident is the shoddy way they kept it quiet until they couldn't keep it quiet anymore. I've always been taught that mistakes happen. It's how people react to them that makes the difference. This recall reaction wasn't guided by the companies concerns for our animals...it was all about damage control and money.
BTW DR K- Agadore would be honored to be used as an example. He's so goofy, it'd almost be an honor to think he could be mean!

Agadore's momma April 7th, 2007 10:58:00 PM

An ag graduate from Iowa State University(now a journalist/photographer) who enjoyed the time spent, and the concern evident among students as well as vet instructors,when I visited the vet med campus,I've found most veterinarians caring and sensitive in their caring for animals. In light of these ("long ago now") experiences, I tend to put veterinarians in the mix with us pet owners as among the recall "vicitms" be it real or precautionary recall. I have to say my amimal care giver has done all he can to keep his pet owners informed and comforted in the wake of all this.and l all he could for my pet. The blame, I believe, for all of our the spirited concern and unrest should focus on those who carelessly allowed the contaminated grain into the United States, and on those companies slow to admit to industry problems. May a lesson be learned my many throughout the industry.

Jolene Stevens April 10th, 2007 02:27:00 PM

I was contacted yesterday by a dog owner that has many concerns over this whole recall issue.

I was horrified when she told me that when she asked about what to feed her dog, she was told just to feed it cooked hamurger the rest of its life. There was no mention of adding veggies for fiber or anything, just hamburger.

Upon reading that and a few other things that the concerned owner had to say, I strongly suggested that she find a new vet ASAP as the one she currently has either doesn't care or is another bad vet that shouldn't have a license to practice.

Stacy April 13th, 2007 07:54:00 AM

The public needs to learn good recipes for their pets:

Here are 2:

www.catnutrition.org
www.rawdogranch.com

Easy. They are carnivores that need meat, NOT grains, NOT rice, NOT veggies. It's grade 7 science people but because vets have been trained by pet food companies, they are not helping to educate the public.

Carol Aa April 14th, 2007 05:56:00 PM

I'm surprised about the attitudes of people toward their vets' knowledge of nutrition. Yes, some old school vets don't keep up on their continuing education and are behind the times. Don't bring your pets to them.

I feel that I've gotten a good education when it comes to nutrition in vet school. Our nutrition courses are all taught by a board-certified veterinary nutritionist. No food company propaganda there. Yes, I get free food from Hill's, Purina, and Iams. It's wonderful to have considering that I can barely afford to eat el cheapo mac n cheese myself. I've learned how to interpret a nutritional analysis, select a food for a healthy pet, and use nutrition to prevent and treat diseases in animals. I am also careful to read scientific studies from veterinary journals to supplement my education.

When I begin practicing next year, I do not intend to sell over the counter diets to any clients. I'll happily tell my clients which brands I feed my pets and how to select an appropriate food for their pets, regardless of whether they go for a well-known brand or not (hint: AAFCO feeding trials certainly help). I do intend to stock and sell prescription diets from Hill's, Purina, Eukanuba, and Royal Canin.

People may want to talk trash about those big companies because they are not completely holistic, but I'm unaware of any holistic food company that formulates diets for treating diabetes, chronic renal failure, dietary hypersensitivities, obesity, etc.

Erin April 16th, 2007 04:39:00 AM

And by the way, there is not a single published peer-reviewed scientific study that has found a single benefit to raw meat diets. There are at least a dozen that have found zoonotic pathogens and nutritional inadequacies in both homemade and commercially available raw meat diets though. If you want to make your pet and even yourself sick, feed raw. If you want to keep your pet healthy, then buy a food that a nutritionist has formulated and has gone through AAFCO feeding trials.

Erin April 16th, 2007 04:41:00 AM

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