Vet School 101 Bloat in dogs: every large breed owner’s worst nightmare…and mine, too

April 22nd, 2007  

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Those of you with dogs prone to bloat should check out this link, and keep it handy in case of emergency. Who knows, it may save your dog's life. http://www.iwane.org/A_P.htm

Margaret April 22nd, 2007 10:56:00 AM

And what of the e-vet clinic that doesn't react with urgency when the client says, "I think my dog is bloating -- I'm on my way"? Upon arriving at said clinic, the staff seemed to move in slow motion until I lost my patience, forced the leash of my obviously distressed dog into someone's hand and slid my credit card across the counter. Minutes later, in agonizing slowness, a staffer came out to ask if it was OK to do x-rays. OK? Of course it's OK!

Lucky for us, our dog was in a pre-bloat stage, resolvable with IV fluids and a tube down the throat to relieve the pressure. But what if? If it's up to owners to recognize the signs and symptoms of bloat, it's up to vet clinic and e-clinic staff to take the owner seriously.

Deanna April 22nd, 2007 01:34:00 PM

Deanna- you could react as if they did not know bloat was an emergency, assume they have never treated a case of bloat before, etc... and educate them BEFORE you need them again, or FIND ANOTHER VET! I would not risk the lives of my four mastiffs taking them to a vet or clinic that does not respond accordingly in an emergency situation. I am glad your dog turned out ok- it COULD have been so much worse. That said, I wouldn't take the chance with them in the future, personally.

Margaret April 22nd, 2007 02:42:00 PM

Deanna: That's a horrible story. Sadly, it happens.

Dr. Patty Khuly April 22nd, 2007 05:17:00 PM

Owning a standard poodle, I read up on bloat, and it's possible causes and preventatives. I may not be 100% able to prevent it, but I think I will recognize it in a timely manner if it ever rears it's ugly head.

Pet owners, the same as parents, have an obligation to do the best they can for their charges. I know my standard poodle- he can look at me and I know if he's in distress. If I walked into a vet's office and they didn't have the knowledge to recognize the problem, I'd walk right back out and find the nearest on-call vet. Luckily, this hasn't happened with my dogs.

However, I did once take my grandbaby to a small hospital ER near here. She had fallen and her shoulder was tender to touch. The nurse asked about KTBug's history. I mentioned her hydrocephalus, and that she had a VP shunt(variable pressure). The nurse looked at me like I was from Mars, and asked first WHAT IS HYDROCEPHWHATEVER YOU SAID and HOW DO YOU SPELL IT?

We left. Drove 30 minutes to a level 2 trauma center. All was well and understood.

Never be afraid to look like a nut. Go with your gut feeling and take care of your family. I always remind people--we are consumers. We have a right to adequate services.

Agadore's momma April 23rd, 2007 12:33:00 AM

Dr. Patty, in these bloat cases, do you see any long-term behaviors that make a dog more likely to bloat. My standard poodle is a big guy and he vomits bile off and on. Usually his stomach is upset and this passes. I don't know how to explain it, but it seems like he gets an upset stomach easily. Maybe he has a tendency to gas?

Kimberly Hanson April 23rd, 2007 03:18:00 PM

my weimaraner had bloat when she was 12. i think it happened because she drank too much water after running. i remember hearing her drink, and wonder about it.
4 hours later, i heard a funny retch outside, ran outside, and found her with foam on her mouth, lying down. i instantly knew in my gut it was bloat, called the emergency hospital, took her in immediately. she had surgery, and was actaully the second dog that night with bloat.
she recovered completely and lived till she was 14 and 3 months.

greydog April 23rd, 2007 03:47:00 PM

Thanks for touching on this subject I asked you about. I am still curious though if you have an opinion on it possibly being genetic? I personally think it is more stress related, and maybe possibly genetic (meaning carried in certain lines) and not necessarily as food / exercise related as is commonly noted. Most of the dogs I've known that have bloated, did so on empty stomachs and were usually just home from a stressful event like being kenneled etc. Again, that's just my opinion though.

Luckily I live close to the ER and know the symptoms well. I worry more now though since one of my Danes has had so many close relatives that have bloated. Neither one of my Danes is tacked and I'm still contemplating it, but I would prefer not to put them through it since no other surgery is needed.

Thanks again!

Great Dane Addict April 23rd, 2007 09:27:00 PM

Just wanted to note that I still follow the 2 meals a day, no forced exercise after eating rules because that is good advice regardless.

Great Dane Addict April 24th, 2007 12:21:00 AM

I'm sure that some of the traits that lead to bloat are heritable--like loose ligaments in deep chested breeds and perhaps even an anatomic and/or physiologic tendency towards gas production. But we don't rightly know ALL the factors--otherwise we'd be a whole lot closer to having licked this disease by now.

Dr. Patty Khuly April 24th, 2007 10:02:00 AM

My 3 year old Weimaraner bloated without warning two weeks ago, the night we returned from vacation (we'd boarded him at a vet, because he'd cut his paw 6 days earlier, trying to get to a cat & wanted him to take it easy). Fortunately, I recognized the symptoms (with him it was mainly a sudden change from his usual frisky self to depressed, trying to vomit but only drooling saliva, & the silent belly). Got him to the emergency vet, he had emergency surgery with a gastroplexy. Fortunately, he bounced back amazingly well. The vet said the key was getting him there in a timely manner. It's amazing how many people have never heard of bloat. Our e-vet said most regular vets don't see it, since it usually happens in the evening, but she sees an average of one/week. I'm so happy we had access to excellent care.

M. Knight May 3rd, 2007 12:49:00 AM

A veterinary research paper says that oil in pet food such as sunflower oil and the fat in pet food help cause GDV in dogs. As with so many illnesses in pets, pet food is a prime cause of illness.

Fiona MacMillan September 3rd, 2007 11:48:00 AM

I have had much experience...usually negative..with bloat...even after taking...Thank God..I have my faith as strenght to help me if things go wrong.   I am owned by my Newfoundlands!  Nothing could enrich my life more than my mates!  Unfortunately, with this breed, as you know...bloat is a potential problem...and i have seen it in a some ugly forms!  I am a member of the NDCC..and work with dogs...water rescue, draft dogs and backpacking.  I have been blessed with some very special two-way-communicating relationships with the dogs..and have been able to help many...on regular occasions...tubing them etc in the field as a life saving measure.

My Question to you is....and i believe i know the answer..just please refresh me...why can the drug "Simthicone" not be utilized for bloat in dogs.  It is used in babies. 

I do know that much research in the area of bloat is ongoing...i am very interested in this..can you suggest any sites that might aid me in keeping up to date on the progress being done to fight/research this condition??.....Thank you so much!   Newfoundly yours!!!

Jill Wood December 30th, 2008 05:45:30 PM

Here's a pet-sitter's nightmare: a bull mastiff being fed (per owner instructions) once per day, who, after eating his daily ration and then doing his usual silly dog prancing, suddenly starts trying to vomit with nothing coming up, and starts holding himself as though he were in pain, with a tight, distended abdomen.

I'd never seen bloat before, but I'd read about it a lot, and I know not to exercise dogs after they eat.  The dog started looking uncomfortable maybe 10 mins after he ate.  Luckily, I was able to get hold of the owner, the owner's vet, and the emergency clinic they wanted the dog taken to.  I had the dog in my car even before I had the ok to take him to the vet, because I knew if he'd gone down, I wouldn't have been able to lift him to get him to the car.

The emergency vet said the dog HAD bloated (x-rays confirmed.) But apparently A Miracle Happened, and the dog got better without surgery.  The vet said he'd never seen it happen before.  Good thing for the dog, because the owner would have had him euthanized instead of spending $5k for the surgery/recovery time. In the owner's defense, the dog was 9 or 10, and had some other health problems.

I had to pick the dog up from the emergency vet and take him home where he stayed outside only.  I had to feed him when we got back (24 hrs since previous meal).  He got fed by hand, a few pieces at the time.  I worried about him all night, but he was still ok the next morning for my last visit with him.  He got fed by hand a few pieces at a time again.  I don't know what happened to him after that.  I often wonder how he's doing.

I hope I never see that again.

Janice in GA April 10th, 2009 06:02:27 PM

my dog molly A Saint Bernard just died of Bloat she was four years what i dont under stand till that night she was fine she went out side came back in Breathing heaving she was 175 pounds,my baby dead in 7 hours

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