Vet P.O.V. Stop the madness!: Rabies in pets

May 15th, 2007  

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I have zero understanding of the logic of not vaccinating all (mammalian) pets. I think most dogs are vaccinated - and there are multiple protocols available. I find it is more often that cats are not vaccinated. This is just a bad idea.

Rabies exists in the wild. It even exists in the cities - think rats. There was even a rabid fox tracked last year in Metro Detroit.

I'm curious, do vets in Florida need to get vaccinated? I know that the wildlife vets around here do, but not the local practices. Seems the local practices should as well. Aren't vets at rather high risk for exposure?

Pax,

MLO

MLO May 15th, 2007 12:55:00 PM

I titre for everything else (after initial series), but not for rabies. I'm with you: It's not worth the risk.

Gina May 15th, 2007 08:14:00 PM

I would never consider leaving my companions unprotected. In the relatively rural area of PA in which I live, there is an enormous population of raccoons and skunks, many of which regularly come in close (too close, IMO) contact with humans and pets, as humans slowly encroach upon their habitats. Last September, I returned home from church one Sunday to find a fairly large raccoon on my front porch at noon in broad daylight. This normally nocturnal animal appeared ill, and instead of retreating, stood its ground in front of my door. All conservative efforts to get it to leave failed; making a lot of noise only put it on the defensive, my attempt to scare it off by tossing pebbles at it failed to make it leave, and my attempt to chase it off with a long-handled broom caused it to attack the broom and actually chase me, hissing and baring teeth. My call to the local police resulted in advice only to call animal control; on my call to animal control I was told that the officer was hospitalized and unavailable. My husband was out of town that weekend, and there were no neighbors available. Although I am not normally a proponent of widespread eradication of varmints, and have never before in my life killed an animal,I was afraid for my dogs, who are perhaps overly friendly and think of every mammal as a playmate.

After all other measures failed including calls to the appropriate authorities, I finally entered my house through the back door, and after much careful consideration, decided that I had to resolve the problem on my own. I went to my husband's locked gun cabinet, found a .22 and shells, loaded the gun and returned to the front of the house. After again unsuccessfully trying to scare off the raccoon, I shot and killed him. I double-bagged the carcass wearing rubber gloves, and again called the police. They took the animal to the health dept.the next morning, and two days later I received a call saying that examination of the raccoon's brain showed that it had been rabid.

I would never encourage anyone to risk the life of their pets to avoid a vaccine; and doubly so after that "close encounter". Thankfully I knew to glove and avoid contact with the animal even after it was dead; had I not done so, I would have needed the series of rabies vaccines on the remote chance that I had had exposure to its saliva, even post-mortem.

Shellie May 16th, 2007 12:04:00 AM

Yep. Even vets get rabies shots. See my post on this from last August at http://www.dolittler.com/index.cfm/2006/8/4/pet.ve...

Dr. Patty Khuly May 16th, 2007 09:36:00 AM

All my pets are vaccinated. I figure it protects them against two things. One is of course rabies infection itself. The other is the consequences of, under whatever horrible circumstances, biting someone and being unvaccinated at the time. Here, at least, the law is that a vaccincated animal that bites someone is quarantined for observation at owners' expense. An unvaccinated animal that bites someone, whatever the circumstances, is immediately euthanized and the brain sent off for rabies testing.

None of my animals has ever bitten anyone. I don't believe any of them is ever likely to, and I take great care that the circumstances don't arise. But I am not the Boss of the World; my animals are safer being vaccinated.

(I think part of the current resistance to vaccination is because the current generation of twenty-to-forty-year-olds is too young to remember what used to be routine childhood diseases, and their death toll. So they focus on the much lower risks of vaccinations, in the absense of any real sense of what vaccinations prevent.)

Lis May 16th, 2007 11:25:00 AM

I have seen 2 raccoons with what we later learned was rabies. One was convulsing and foaming at the mouth, and the other was in a blind rage trying to attack everything. I have also seem numerous raccoons with distemper - not an easy thing to witness either.

I have worked at 2 wildlife rehab. centers in Florida. The first did not require the 3 dose pre-exposure rabies vaccinations. However any worker who received a bite from a suspicious rabies vector animal - bat, raccoon, fox, skunk or otter - got the rabies vaccs. The second wildlife center required any staffer or senior volunteer who worked with the rabies vector animals to have the rabies vaccinations. Even if we had gotten the vaccs., we had to get a booster if we had a possible exposure. By the way, the vaccs. are very expensive - last year each shot was $135. Plus the vaccs. are only give at the county health dept, which always has a long wait!

Susan May 16th, 2007 02:37:00 PM

In the first 10 days of this month [May], there have been three separate rabies alerts in Florida. Miami-Dade County had a rabid bat which attacked [but did not bite] a dog. Jacksonville's Duvall County had a rabid feral cat bite a woman. Two spearate incidents of rabid racoons, one attacked a dog and the other attempted to attack a cat, prompted an alert in Hernando County, two counties north of Tampa. It is only a matter of time before the yearly Broward County alert is issued.

I just finished re-reading "To Kill A Mockingbird." The imagery of the sickened dog, called Tim Johnson, staggering toward the sherriff and Atticus is horrifying. The story is set in the early 1930's. There is no reason a pet should be stricken with rabies today with the vaccine so easily available and administered. Trouble affording the shots is no reason, as most county animal control departments offer free or low cost immunizations for those with financial difficulty.

John May 17th, 2007 09:59:00 AM

It's in everyones best interest to make sure my dogs rabies is up to date it says in the artice. I agree! But it's not in my dogs best interest. I could care less about everyone. I do however care about my dogs. They have all had their first shots. Nothing more but a titre. So far they are right up there.(10 yrs ) I've lost 3 dogs to bone cancer. My vet believes it was brought on by to many shots.( before I adopted them ) I wonder if this vet gets his rabies shot on schedule or does he titre himself? How many of you run to your doctor every three years for a polio booster? I bet not a single one of you!! Ever seen a dog have a reaction from a rabies shot. Google it. It's not good! I suggest you all get your heads out of your asses and do some research. Instead of swallowing everything your fed!

Ken May 17th, 2007 10:08:00 AM

Actually, I have done more than my share of research on the virus, even though I missed getting a big research grant to study epidemiological aspects of rabies in South America. I even did time at the CDC in this regard. I don't want to boast, but my head's where it should be, thank you. And your vet? The one who says bone cancer comes from rabies vaccines? He or she certainly doesn't believe in science--there's none to back that one up. If we all believed what we wanted to without a care for the science to back it up we'd still be scared of falling over the edge of the Earth. Who's got their head where?

Dr. Patty Khuly May 17th, 2007 10:26:00 AM

I guess I'm one of the "crazy" ones...my dog is not vaccinated for rabies. She is being treated by a homeopathic vet and any vaccines will interfere with treatment. My vet wrote her a waiver, I brought it to my city's animal services office, and they let me get a 3 year license with no fuss whatsoever.

For my dog, the risk of problems from the vaccine is much higher than the risk of getting bitten by a rabid animal. I've looked into the numbers in my state and they're not significant. I believe that any and every medical procedure/drug/vaccine should have the costs/benefits weighed, and in my dog's case, it was no question at all that the vaccine carried much more risk than benefit.

Janine May 17th, 2007 01:44:00 PM

Personal risk is always greater than personal benefit. I think that, as a society, we've for too long bought the line that immunization is always in our personal best interest. That's not often so true anymore. Vaccines like rabies in dogs and polio (and perhaps infuenza) in people are there to protect our society as a whole. The government may not waish you to see it that way, as when they require that all school children be vaccinated "for their own safety."

This is a fine epidemiological point often misunderstood: If no one were vaccinated and you were the only polio vaccinate then you'd tend to be safer than everyone else. When everyone is vaccinated, however, you're much better off not risking the vaccine's side effects.

I believe it's because of the obfuscating and questionable nature of the government's tactics in the past and present that we have so many intelligent, educated people opting out of the vaccine cycle. (What do you mean it protects me! How can it if reactions can be worse than the disease itself?) However, if they could be made to see that their [usually minor] risk serves the public at large, they may no longer see it that way.

Just my two cents.

Dr. Patty Khuly May 17th, 2007 03:45:00 PM

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