Daily Vet Veterinary healthcare is not for the human homeless

June 10th, 2007  

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I thought that if you're trained (certified) in CPR/first aid, you get their consent (even if non-verbal) and you're performing CPR and first aid as you were trained, then you would be protected by Good Samaritan laws. It doesn't matter whether you're a vet or not. You're right people don't help or intervene anymore because of rampant suing. For myself, if someone had saved my life, I think I would be sending them flowers not a summons. It just doesn't make sense.

Julie June 10th, 2007 11:40:00 AM

I find it sickening that anyone would sue someone who tried to save their life. It's a real statement of what's wrong with the world.

Amy June 10th, 2007 05:34:00 PM

My husband, a federal police officer, got sued by a man he pulled out of a car crash seconds before it exploded into flames. The reason? The man sucessfully argued that hubby violated procedure by NOT waiting for the fire department/EMS to arrive. He claimed his neck injury was made worse by husband's actions. The man is a parapalegic as a result of the accident but seems to completely miss the irony that if my husband had NOT been there, he wouldn't even be alive to sue, much less win. The department husband worked for at the time paid a large part of the settlement but 10% of his paycheck went to the guy who sued for a good two years after.

Good Samaritan laws or not, there are many people out there way too eager to sue

BTW Dr. K, my CPR instructor years ago told my class that properly performed CPR will almost always crack ribs and bruise the chest. I can't believe that guy won!

Miryiam June 10th, 2007 07:11:00 PM

The problem is the training itself. Don't get me wrong, CPR, first-aid, medical and law enforcement training is a good thing. It is, however, quite often the training that allows someone to win the lawsuits. A plain old person, with basic CPR training could save someone's life and some broken ribs and bruises are expected. A doctor or nurse who performs CPR with the same result will get sued because their superior training should have prevented the additional injuries. Of course that isn't true, but it sounds good in front of a jury. Police, representing a governmental body, or a doctor are the proverbial "deep pockets," ripe for the plucking by greedy people or some members of the legal profession who see dollar signs at this situation.

John June 10th, 2007 11:08:00 PM

I'm surprised you didn't call 911 and get an ambulance sent over for the guy. It's not like he had any money, so oweing the hospital money wouldn't've hurt him any, and they could've treated his alcoholism as well.

zandperl June 11th, 2007 01:27:00 AM

Dear Zandperl,
No offense, but I think the story shows clearly why Dr. K didn't call an ambulance. The guy was a transient alcoholic who couldn't last for 5 hrs without alcohol. As Dr. K stated, the man was an end stage alcoholic who more thank likely DIDN'T want treatment for his alcoholism. He wandered around for days with a severely infected foot and did nothing about it, yet continued his relentless search for alcohol, nonetheless. Do you really think he would have gotten into an ambulance? You can't force the guy to go. Plus, he didn't have an injury that would warrant an ambulance since he was still ambulatory.

Victoria June 11th, 2007 08:32:00 AM

Actually, we'd talked about getting the paramedics out to handle the foot but we were quite sure he'd be gone by the time the rescue service arrived and we didn't want to squander their resources on a no-show. This guy would probably have run away on his good foot anyway. And what he really needs is a bottle of antibiotics and someone at his bedside to make sure he takes them.

Dr. Robb June 11th, 2007 09:07:00 AM

Omigod--that last posting was mine--NOT Dr. Robb's! Sorry Dr. Robb--my cache had your info loaded when I posted. It won't happen again!

Dr. Patty Khuly June 11th, 2007 11:06:00 AM

For doctors, vets, CPR trainees, and general passers-by the rule for offering help to a person in need is the same. There is no imperative to help anyone at any time. Barring the few, rare (and likely unenforceable at law) Good Samaritan Laws, there is no requirement for anyone, even trained professionals, to give aid to anyone in distress. The moment you give help, whether it's performing CPR, grabbing a drowning person from a pool, or offering a band-aid, you are taking on liability for any injuries that person might incur as a result of your help. Is it morally wrong to let the guy in cardiac arrest expire right before your eyes? Perhaps, however there's nothing that he or his heirs could ever do legally to bring action against you. But if you do bend down to help, know that he can (and in many cases will) sue you for whatever he can.

Becky June 11th, 2007 04:50:00 PM

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