Money, money, money. My, how the concept of cold, hard cash has its way with our world. In spite of all our best intentions, the issue of personal compensation has a way of corrupting all of us to varying degrees.
I won’t let any of you off easy on this point. We’re all human, after all. Those of us who profess to harbor completely cash-free tendencies are either saints or sociopaths. I may be wrong, but I don’t believe there are many exceptions to this rule.
And that’s where I’ll begin my non-apologetic discussion of the issues we vets face in real-life practice when it comes to pet food. Because we’ve all succumbed (at one time or another) to the easy money in our practicing-vet lives. Selling pet food falls into this quick cash category, but it’s the non-thinking person’s version of events that condemns all vets for this transgression.
For those of you who skipped the first two posts on this subject, I’m talking about how we vets recommend food and the problems we confront in doing so. Sure, some of that has to do with industry pressure, especially when every other vet down the street is carrying the food the pet food companies are expecting you to offer. Some of it has to do with our education, whereby we were inculcated into the belief that prescription diets can help almost any pet. And some of it has to do with the reality of vet practice economics, in which industry expectations, education and lack of resources (especially when starting out) can move you to sell foods to make up for the services you can’t yet move quickly or profitably enough.
Here’s where you might think all vets are in the pockets of the pet food companies—whether they think they are or not. And that may be true. But most of us recommend certain pet foods because we either know no better (for reasons related to training, explained in the previous post), because we want to do what’s best for our patients, and/or because we have few acceptably safe alternatives. And then there are the greedy (for the record, I don’t believe that’s most of us).
I consider my own decisions to be primarily related to the dearth of convincing research into pet nutrition and the lack of safe and convenient alternatives. Even then, I tend to recommend foods that our practice doesn’t carry—because we don’t stock foods, we only special order specific foods from a trio of companies when our patients need it. Sadly, it’s a rare hospital that follows our lead.
I’m ashamed to admit that, in spite of some more enlightened practices out there, my profession is somewhat driven by the financial prospects of the existing pet food paradigm—that is, the powers that be in the profession still refuse to acknowledge that a large percentage of us continue to elect to benefit from the ready cash the pet food companies supply us through unique retail agreements with vet-only brands—despite the conflict of interest the relationship denotes.
Let me explain:
Most small animal vets make a percentage of their income by selling pet foods—that’s a well-established reality no one refutes. But there’s nothing terribly sinister about this practice. We vets recommend foods we believe are wholesome and appropriate and which we believe will help our patients. We trust in these products and we want to continue to sell it—and to make a profit from it. We feel we deserve that income as much or more than any retailer does. After all, we recommend it based on our unique and specialized knowledge of animal physiology.
The problem lies in our dependence on these products for our livelihood, the same way drugs and services do. Our human tendency is to respond to manufacturer entreaties to consider their products not only for their innate benefits, but also for the income they’ll drive our way.
We know that pet food companies spend a lot of money on research and development of their foods. We also know that there’s very little hard-core research, besides theirs, on which to base our recommendations. It’s a bit of a catch-22, relying on the fox’s sell on the henhouse’s value. But what’s our alternative?
Consider, as an example, the recent popular interest in raw diets. What’s a responsible vet to do? There’s virtually no institutionally-sanctioned research on these feeding regimens. All we’re trained to assess in this regard is the downside of bacterial contamination. It’s no wonder vets are most often opposed to this practice. It goes beyond income; it speaks to the good training we do have—namely, a strong infectious disease background.
If we had an independent research body to investigate nutritional issues in light of the risks involved in feeding raw, then we might have a different model for how we’d recommend foods. As such, we have precious few alternatives.
At the heart of the issue, however, is the conflict of interest. Much as selling drugs is unethical for a doctor, selling drugs and foods should be considered as such for vets. That’s one bizarre difference between the human and animal medical professions. Studies show that pet owners believe that vets and human physicians are comparable in most respects, yet our culture holds these two professions to different ethical standards. What’s up with that?
Pet food is so important to some practices that it’s come to affect even the fundamentals of hospital design and pricing. New hospitals are physically planned for food retail and storage. It’s my opinion that even the pricing of vet services is often artificially reduced so that hospitals can compete on service price while making up the difference in food and drug sales. It’s no wonder this model won’t stand in human healthcare.
We vets have become complacent about the role of vet-targeted pet foods in our medical practices. We’ve allowed pet food companies to dictate the terms of their agreement to provide cutting-edge science for our pets’ well being. We’ve given them the power to determine what’s healthful without having the wherewithal to dissent. We’ve even granted them the ability to pay our bills.
Nothing’s going to change too soon, but the pet food recall has served to rouse some vets from our communal stupor on this issue. Changes in schools will likely need to come first. Changes in consumer (pet owner) awareness will probably follow closely. Unfortunately, changes in vet practices will no doubt be last on the scene. Institutionalized habits die hard.
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Which pet foods do you recommend? I give my 4 lb toy poodle Eagle Brand Holistic, and tried to give her Newmans but it was too rich for her.
sharon June 17th, 2007 08:16:00 AM
"the fox is in the henhouse", etc.
You're good at sniping at the pet food companies. But if they weren't supporting nutrition research in animals, it wouldn't be done. I think you often get pretty high-horsed about medical ethics while ignoring the fiscal constraints of the business you're in. Animals are a commodity. Despite the sentimentality of the current age, there is a limit to the money you will ever be able to harvest per client capita. Veterinary practice is a financial trainwreck and that is not the fault of the assorted industries whose products practices sell. And, more importantly for the topic at hand, there -is- a limit to what the public sector in research-intensive countries is going to invest directly in companion animal health.
Nutrition studies cost out the wazoo. I can't imagine why anyone would get into companion animal nutrition studies now without the assurance of the funding these companies provide. What dean would maintain that many animals (at the insane dollar cost of keeping lab animals as well as the space and energy demands involved) without a steady funder's backing?
I guess I'll stir the pot and ask this: there's not a lot of price resistance to admissions to vet schools. Obviously it is not hard to fill seats at $50k a year, since the seats currently at that price are eagerly sought after. Why not increase funding for companion animal research by raising the price to $75k or more per year? That small move alone would raise $2.5 million a year in schools that are expensive and far more in the schools that currently have lower tuition. Plus, no one would have to worry about Evil Corporations tainting their professional purity. Might as well dump Novartis and all the other bad guys, too. Besides, human nutritionists would probably discourage all that pesky pizza eating that students do, and at $300k +/degree, the students better get used to going hungry.
Thing One June 17th, 2007 10:55:00 AM
Who do you think is going to pay for the $25 K increase? Pet food scholarships. BAH.
The biggest problem with feeding raw food diets is that it requires real research and time on the part of the feeder. They are messy and inconvenient. That's the whole reason why we as a culture switched to pre-packaged foods.
Georg June 17th, 2007 12:53:00 PM
Real food, raw food, is messy and inconvenient? Do you eat out all the time so your hands never touch a piece of raw meat? It takes no more time to put raw food in a dog's bowl than it does to pour something from a bag which used to be food before it was cooked to a frazzle, thus making it necessary to add back a long list of nutrients along with a few little extras to make sure it lasts forever on a grocery store shelf.
You're right about convenience being cultural, though. We've swallowed the idea that someone else knows better than we do what our dogs should eat because convenience is the overriding consideration and we allow ourselves to believe that they should eat the same junk in a bag their entire lives because it's also more convenient to believe that. Our consciences are clean when we open those bags and pour.
Well, I have news, raw feeding is not time consuming at all when you make your dog's supper along with your own. It's simple to do as long as you remember to give your dog a variety of meats and cuts of meats, calcium to fit his needs, and rely on balance to happen over time instead of trying to make each and every bowl of food balanced and complete. As if you did that for yourself. If it requires some study, it isn't much and it's certainly as worthwhile as spending time on a video game or reading up on Paris Hilton's latest antics.
Personally, I have no idea why petfood companies believe they can out-think nature, which has already provided all the nutrients dogs need in what they would naturally eat. And yes, there are wild dogs and wolves to point the way.
Research? A six to eight week feeding trial is research? If most of the dogs survive it, well, it's good to go! Sell it! Should I mention the fairly recent 'discovery' by pet food manufacturers that dogs need taurine in their diets and that cats can go blind or die without it? Raw feeders never had to worry but the pet food companies jumped to add it to their products, which must not have been "complete and balanced" as they had claimed. They still claim it; wonder what they'll find is missing next.
There are some research scientists working for companies like Purina that do very good work. such as Doctors Bovee, Brown, Finco and Polzin in their studies on diet and renal disease, but do the pet food manufacturers pay attention to what they've learned and remove their ghastly KD from the shelves? Right, sure they do. Vets sell it as necessary for a dog in renal failure. What a crock. I don't know if they believe what the manufacturers tell them or if they ignore the research. It would be kinder to think the former. Home-made diets for a dog in renal failure do require study and some time but a growing number of people do it, because they care deeply about their dogs *and they have access to the internet and the experience of others*, something they didn't have too long ago.
As for bacterial contamination, there is such a thing as contaminated commercial pet food. Oh? Surely not.
Gil. June 17th, 2007 02:25:00 PM
As a current vet student, I can say that raising the tuition on us won't help. I'm already going to be more than 100K in debt by the time I graduate. Any money the pet food or drug industries throw my way, I'll take. And I feed raw and try to limit the drugs my pets get to only the bare essentials for any infection! If SD come up to me and says,"We'll give you $1000 to support our product, I'll say sure, but I still wont feed it to my own pets and I'll just pretend I'm a really crappy salesperson.
If there's to be actual studies on raw food, cooked food and how they compare to kibble, the meat industry's going to have to fund it. If they realized they could get a cut of the millions we spend on our pets, it would happen. Pure research, uncontaminated by industry desires is pretty rare, and as you said, expensive. The best practical solution is to try to get different industries with different goals competing against each other and hope something useful comes out of it.
Lindabcs June 17th, 2007 02:26:00 PM
Side point: I believe the meat industry and retailers do realize the potential market of those who'll prepare food at home -- not necessarily raw, by the way -- for their pets.
Why else, I wonder, would the local Whole Foods always have chicken backs and turkey necks in the meat case? There can't be THAT much call for these products, aside from raw feeders. And believe me, no one at Whole Foods raises an eyebrow when you order a couple of cases of turkey necks. They know it's for pets, and they're happy to sell it to you.
By the way: Many raw feeders used to get backs/necks and other products (tripe, etc.) humans don't much like almost for nothing. That's not the case any more. Case in point: Beef heart you could get for pennies a pound -- and they'd grind it and put it in one pound packs for no extra charge. Now, it's a couple bucks a pound, retail, special order but at least they'll still grind it for you.
A lot of small meat operations are either tapping directly into raw feeder buying co-ops for part of their sales or selling only to pet-lovers and/or co-ops. Case in point: Hare Today,a rabbit producer in PA that ships to pet-lovers and home-feeding buying groups all over the country.
Truly, a land of opportunity, ours is!
Gina June 17th, 2007 02:53:00 PM
Georg,
I got hot and I apologize for that. And Dr. Khuly, I know you do think and I have high hopes of you coming around to a raw feeder's way of thinking. <g> You do have a problem, not just monetary but in figuring out which clients would be good candidates for making home-prepared meals in the event that you ever do want to recommend them. One dodo like the breeder who fed nothing but raw hamburger to her Dane pups, giving them NO calcium and causing horrible bone deformities as a result, can make you fear for all the other dogs whose owners want to feed raw or home-cooked.
When they care at all, people are turning to high end pet foods right now in hopes that they aren't tainted and going to their vets with their worries over the pet food recall. The vets who are being "roused from their communal stupor" are probably having something of a crisis of indecision over what to recommend and what to sell. I can see it would be a problem for them if those sales are a critical part of their income.
Gil. June 17th, 2007 03:06:00 PM
No, I'm not proposing "pet food scholarships" to cover another $25k. I'm proposing people cover it the way most folks do the first $13k, $25k, or $50k. Which is, out of their hide. How much scarier is starting professional life at $300k+ in debt than, say, $200k, or $100k? (I have a theory that at some point the debt load becomes so absurd that recent graduates just get into a relaxed, elegant, fetal ball and begin giggling at a dangerous-sounding pitch. But I haven't been able to afford to do a longitudinal study to see if I'm right.
Lindabes, whose hide is at stake, sees the folly of this. (Doesn't look like you've gotten cynical enough to realize that even paying out the wazoo doesn't make research anything close to pure, but that's ok, research is close enough for government work, and there's plenty of time to get cynical later!)
Thing One June 17th, 2007 05:08:00 PM
Thing one- "I have a theory that at some point the debt load becomes so absurd that recent graduates just get into a relaxed, elegant, fetal ball and begin giggling at a dangerous-sounding pitch."
Thank you for that. I had to laugh, and it made my day a little brighter. So far as I can tell, it's true too. I know that when it comes to loans I just close my eyes, turn off the part of my brain that goggles at such large numbers, and sign, as do most of my classmates. It doesn't bear thinking about! When you reach a certain number, it's just impossible to conceive of it as actual money anymore.
Lindabcs June 17th, 2007 08:03:00 PM
What’s the difference between $100K and 300K? A s___load with 5% compounded interest over the life of a 30 year loan. You are gonna have to pimp a lot of kibble to pay those loans off. It would be one thing to carry them if you were going to work on humans, but most of the vets I’ve known don’t make anywhere near that kind of money. As for research on pet food, the scientific method holds true no matter what the source of the funding.
Chip June 17th, 2007 08:40:00 PM
Gil, apology accepted.
I did BARF my pets for six months. I ground chicken wings and mixed a lot of other stuff together based on the best research I could do at that time (Pitcairn is a good book). Unfortunately, not everyone wanted to switch, and even now only half my pack will recognize raw meat as food. It was messy and inconvenient when compared to opening a can and dumping it on a plate. I've thought about going back to it, though.
I have confirmed Sassy cat is allergic to soy (in addition to rice and corn). Particularly with her diabetes and overweight status, she's a challenge. If I made her food from scratch it would be easier to control. However, she won't eat raw. I'm reading up on homecooking for pets, in the hope that maybe she'll eat cooked food.
Georg June 17th, 2007 10:09:00 PM
Georg,
I'm not sure it's okay to post a URL to a list but I can't think how else to tell you, so I'll risk it. <g> Join us on K9Nutrition. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/k9nutrition/
However you feed you'll be welcome and perhaps we can help you with homecooking for Sassy. I won't tell anyone she's a cat. <g> Actually, some of the members do have cats so you wouldn't be alone.
You really don't have to grind or make complicated recipes to feed raw. I don't and I've been doing this going on nine years. Cats are a little harder to convince, I'm told, after they've eaten highly flavored petfood all their lives but with patience, it can be done. At a guess (what do I know about it?) they probably take to homecooked much faster since cooked food has a stronger taste than raw.
Gil. June 17th, 2007 11:50:00 PM
Georg,
I'm cooking for my cats. There were a couple of holdouts, but they all agreed to eat within 48 hours, which was my panic point. (I had a cat with hepatic lipidosis once.)
My pudgy cats are losing weight (I'm not adding carbs), they're all sleek and glossy, and my grumpy old man is much more active. I wish I'd tried it with my diabetic cat, but I was afraid that I'd send her into insulin shock if I changed her food. She also had cancer, so she's not here now and probably wouldn't be no matter what I'd fed her. :(
Good luck, Georg, no matter what you end up doing with your cat's food. Give your Sassy cat a kiss on the head for me.
Katherine June 18th, 2007 09:59:00 AM
THE easiest thing you will ever find to do for your pet is rawfeeding, prey model style. Just give it pure, unadulterated meat--of any kind--sometimes with bone in (but never JUST a chicken back or neck--must add meat to bony parts.) Add a bit of organ meat to the other every few days and maybe pour some fish oil on it every few days if you are feeding grain-fed meat that's low in Omega 3. That's it. That's all it takes. But here's a link about it if that isn't enough information.
http://rawfed.com/
You ought to see how my 3 cats (one a K/D survivor) have thrived on and love this diet. I've read that a lot of cats are hard to convert...mine certainly were not!
Lynda June 18th, 2007 10:35:00 AM
Lynda,
What do you mean by "K/D survivor"? If you don't mind me asking.
Eric June 18th, 2007 11:04:00 AM
Ah, Thing One...you always like to keep me on my toes. In fact, I agree with you and I believe I gave a balanced perspective when I discussed the industry dynamics in part 1 of this series. I understand how important their funding is to our ability to graduate with a lower debt load--if you want to look at it tht way (and which was certainly my direct experience). Look at it this way, though, the medicine faculty at vet schools would be horrified to accept similar subsidies from Pfizer or Novartis in exchange for teaching their courses. Why is it so acceptable for this to occur when it comes to nutrition, the red-headed stepchild of small animal medicine? I see no evil or sinister designs in how the pet food companies operate, but the xetent to which we've institutionalized their commercial practices in our teaching institutions is unprecedented.
And...sorry if I get on my high horse at times-- it's only 'cause the view is better from up here.
Dr. Patty Khuly June 18th, 2007 06:13:00 PM
Lindabos,
I'll be starting vet school in the fall and I feed raw. I'd be interested to chat with you about how that is going for you if you're willing.
Ingrid June 18th, 2007 06:15:00 PM
Chip: I'll respectfully disagree with your take on science. Agreed, the scientific method holds true regardless of who does the research. But when your choice of research directions and funding is limited to the constraints of a well-established commercial machine, sometimes proving your product's worth is more important than creating new ones or going back to the basic science. In other words, thinking outside the box and rethinking past practices is often anathema to their economic goals. And that's what ultimately shapes science. Ever wonder why we don't have the science to run a car at 100 mph? It's not because we can't, it's because there's no political will to invest in that kind of research. Much the same goes on accross the board when it comes to medicine. Drugs are our focus, not the scientific underpinnings. Just ask any underpaid university researcher.
Dr. Patty Khuly June 18th, 2007 06:19:00 PM
My vet recommends a raw diet (fed properly.) She's studied nutrition for years (above and beyond what she learned in 'vet school'.)
Great Dane Addict June 19th, 2007 12:36:00 AM
Georg: On the raw diets--I think I've come around somewhat already. Baby steps, though. It's hard to turn on a dime after a lifetime of microbiology education. I will clearly state, however, that my biggest fears rest with owner handling and some commercial raw diets I've seen do their fair share of harm. Those of you that read this and feed raw are clearly an exception--but one that bears extracting your experiences for the benefit of others. I'm still stuck on the 100% raw vs simple home-cooking (which I'm all in favor of when done correctly). You're free to provide more resources for my continued "coming around."
Gina: Here in Miami we eat *everything* that comes from an animal. We have our Latin American and Carribean immigrants to thank for that. While that means we can get beef hearts for pennies (yes!) and chicken backs for nearly free (I cook with them, too), it also means we have some scary backyard slaughterhouses and a few other unsavory practices around these parts. It's a home-cooker's paradise, otherwise.
Dr. Patty Khuly June 19th, 2007 09:39:00 AM
Hi Dr. Patty! Have you noticed the Raw Food Diet forum on Dogster? It's relatively new. It may be an interesting resource for you to visit in regards to feeding raw. :)
I personally have seen the raw diet do a lot more good than harm in all of the cases I know of (which is a lot, considering I'm on a bunch of raw feeding lists). Most of the problems that happen are minor and are usually caused by human error (feeding too much too quickly, the wrong size/shape bones for their dogs, etc.). Not to mention that my dog Fudge is doing wonderfully on it as well. I just went in for an annual exam at the vet last weekend, and the vet said Fudge looks extremely healthy: perfect body condition, coat, teeth, ears, etc. When she asked if I brush Fudge's teeth, I said actually I feed raw food which keeps them clean. She gave a small "okay" and left it at that--I got the feeling she's probably had her fair share of discussions regarding raw feeding, since it's a relatively popular way to feed here in the Bay Area. :)
You're still home-cooking, right? I do think home-cooking is a great option for those who can't or won't feed raw. However, personally I think it's harder, more time-consuming, and more complicated than feeding raw, simply because you have to do more than defrost something and then plop it down on a towel on the floor (which is basically what I do--I spend more time searching for food to buy than preparing it). I guess if you enjoy cooking it's not a problem, but for someone like me who does not cook for herself much, it's way more than I'd really like to do. :) But I do know many are more comfortable feeding stuff cooked than raw, and as long as meat is still most of the food being fed, I think it's a pretty good alternative.
Janine June 19th, 2007 10:52:00 AM
Hi, Erica,
I said "K/D Survivor" meaning that he wasn't killed by the Hill food he was eating. :)
Dr. Patty,
Based on experience of one of my co-workers who has been doing home cooking for her dog since about when I started prey model raw feeding my cats, I would say that it can be way better for them than standard pet food, but that it is even better and a heck of a lot more natural for the animal (as well as easier/simpler for the owner) to just go prey model! Let them eat what the species evolved eating. :)
This is a prey model list with 9,000 members, some of whom have feed several generations by this method.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/
Lynda June 19th, 2007 04:39:00 PM
Lynda: Every time I hear about the "Prey Model" feeding thing I can't help imagining an owner traipsing around the home with a chicken neck on a line while kitty pounces after it feverishly. It never fails to make me giggle. but, seriously, thanks for your resource--I'll check it out.
Dr. Patty Khuly June 20th, 2007 11:01:00 AM
Dr. Patty: I know people who do that at times. :) Kitties are sometimes very difficult to switch to raw, and enticing them like that sometimes helps!
The rawfeeding Yahoo! Group is a great resource in that it's full of people and information. Just keep in mind that the group is very much set on one way of feeding (prey-model raw). But if you go into it knowing that it's really a great place to learn. :)
Janine June 20th, 2007 12:16:00 PM
Dear Board: A heads up, Nature's Variety produces packaged, pathogenic microbe tested, raw diets; pre-packaged and frozen. Sure they are more costly than grinding up chicken backs in your kitchen, however, they underwent an AAFCO feeding trial, and were determined to be complete and balanced. That company (Nature's Variety) has several nutritionists on staff, one of whom presented her work on raw diets at ACVIM (American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine)in 2008. As a veterinary student, I can say that we are learning, as a group, to look beyond the label. Not because our faculty is telling us to, but because holistic veterinary companies are finally developing a loud enough voice to be heard. So, we are learning the benefits of grain free kibble, and raw diets. We have just started recommending raw diets to dogs with dental problems... why you may ask? Because the absence of sugars in the diet reduces bacterial buildup in the mouth; and the addition or raw bones as snacks do a fantastic job of removing plaques from teeth. We are getting there, as a profession, but I have an honest question for everyone who suggests we should raise veterinary education costs, or who argue that it is unethical to sell veterinary pet foods... Would you rather we pass along the real cost of our education to you, the consumers? If I took my 240k in student debt (that is undergrad and out-of-state vet school, because my home state doesn't have a veterinary college), and worked that into your bill, plus the loss of pet food commissions, your average OHE (spay) in a 50lb dog would cost 600 dollars. Would you rather pay 600 dollars for a spay, or be encouraged to purchase pet food in a clinic? I think, as we learn more about holistic pet foods, and with the promise of a veterinary line of holistic kibble from Natura coming out shortly... Vets won't have to turn a blind eye to the pet food we sell in our clinics for much longer. Infact, I would look for clinics that choose to sell holistic kibbles, as they will be much more likely to be in touch with what you find important in pet health!
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