Vet P.O.V. Of dog fighting dunce caps and veterinary law enforcement

August 15th, 2007  

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If you take an injured child to an emergency room or a doctor and it looks like it could be child abuse, it must be reported to the authorities. Generally, psychiatrists/psychologists must report threats by their clients toward others under certain circumstances. I think that vets are in the same position.

I don't blame you for being scared. I would be too. If I owned an emergency vet clinic I would probably post something at the door explaining what the law is. But to not report suspected dogfighting to me as like not reporting child abuse.

2CatMom August 15th, 2007 12:27:00 PM

I'm surprised that there are dog fighters who even bother taking their fighters to the vet, frankly. Definitely a scary thought to have to deal with these scum and what they might have the capacity to do if you don't comply with their wishes. After all, after seeing images and video of what is done to these poor animals, it's obvious they have no compassion for any other living being but themselves. I hug my pit bull every night and thank God she somehow managed to avoid such a fate.

Carissa August 15th, 2007 12:53:00 PM

2CatMom--Your garden-variety child abusers aren't usually gangsters who have a bunch of other gangsters who have a vested interest in protecting the abuser. Sometimes? Sure. Usually? No. But organized dog-fighting is a group activity, and the gangsters aren't just protecting themselves against prosecution; they're protecting their <i>business</i>.

Someone abusing their own pet or the neighbor's pet is equivalent to the normal case of an abused child being brought to the emergency room. Organized dog fighters bringing in a dog injured in one of those fights is a different kettle of fish altogether, and far more dangerous.

Lis August 15th, 2007 01:03:00 PM

Lis - I know. I think the only solution is to refuse to treat. I think this is morally OK because if you treat the animal you are only going to be sending back to its owner for more suffering.

2CatMom August 15th, 2007 04:24:00 PM

Watch out calling them "thuggy types." I used the term thug on the espn message boards and wound up being attacked for being a racist. The general concensus among the folks calling me a racist was that "they was just some dogs, let da man play football." With that in mind, I don't blame you for being skittish about opening the door should a group of thugs come calling with a wounded APBT.
I wonder... is it possible they don't know the law very well? You could sedate the animal enough to make them think it was dead and tell them that state law(not neccessarily a law pertaining to dog fighting) required you to hold the animal for such and such a purpose. The mention of the word "law" may cause them to leave with no questions asked and chances are they won't seek legal advice after the fact. After that you could either see if the dog was trustworthy enough for adoption, or humanely euthanise it, rather than return it to the situation it came from.

I know, legally that would never work(drug logs, etc.) but it is a thought.

Brian August 16th, 2007 09:21:00 AM

Since when is "thug" a race-related term? I know what you're saying but it galls me that any one group can randomly appropriate a derogatory term whenever it makes for a convenient counter-attack measure. Thug is a bad attitude/action thing not a color or ethnicity thing.

Dr. Patty Khuly August 16th, 2007 11:25:00 AM

That's what I tried to make clear on the espn boards, but there was no arguing the point. Since I compared Vick to a thug, I was immediately labeled racist. WTF? I ended up not even turning an eye toward that sight becasue I got so wound up trying to make my point, all to no avail.

Brian August 16th, 2007 08:16:00 PM

Thug is not racist. Thugs are all different colors, races, genders, ethinicities. The one thing they all have in common is they are criminals who don't play by the rules of common decency. They lack the values that are necessary to live in a social world.
Doc, I work at a sheriff's department. I also worked for homeland security. I am not a racist, bigot, or hate monger. But if you walk like a thug, talk like a thug, and act like a thug, a thug you be to me.

It's scary to stand up against bad people. No one can make that call for you. It's REAL easy to be an armchair quarterback (no pun intended to the recent NFL dogfighting embarrassment). But until it happens to YOU, you can't judge someone else.

And reference Vick.... he is pitiful. I wonder what happened to a person that could make them so callous, cruel, and pathetic. Can you imagine this THUG raising a child? Gives me chills. Everyone knows that serious socio-pathic people often start by abusing animals.... Vick has a head start.

Agadore's momma August 17th, 2007 01:08:00 AM

I wouldn't sweat it too much. These folks don't strike me as the type to spend a couple hundred bucks on veterinary medical care for their fighting dogs. Heck, Vick and his cronies wouldn't even spend the 15 cents on a bullet to end the suffering quick. Instead, they chose to hang the dogs, and when that didn't work apparently drowning and electrocution.

And yes, Vick is a thug of the highest order. It apparently runs in the family.

Chip August 17th, 2007 03:09:00 PM

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