There’s something about the fundamental relationship between emergency hospitals and regular vets that breeds a little distrust…ill will…or in some instances, just plain enmity.
“Why’s that?”you might well wonder. Don’t emergency facilities give general practitioners the luxury of living without the stress of bleary-eyed evening hours or late night phone calls? I guess some vets just don’t know when they’ve got it good.
Truth is, sometimes the difference in practice styles between these two very different faces of pet healthcare leaves vets at odds with one another. The culture of a day practice is about servicing known entities (our regular clients and patients) while that of a 24-hour facility is inherently less personal. This gives rise to the reputation of e-clinics as opportunistic and cold places, even among vets. But someone’s go to do it, right?
Having worked on both sides of the aisle, I think I understand better than most the challenges each faces when dealing with the other. Yet even empathy hasn’t kept this general practitioner from sharing some pretty harsh words with the e-clinic vets from time to time.
I used to make a habit of showing up at midnight midweek or Sunday morning to check on my e-clinic cases. Occasionally, I’d find them mildly mismanaged or worse, languishing while the emergency vet was attending to less-than-critical patients with they-can-wait-till-Monday ailments.
I even (embarrassingly) went ballistic once when a client’s seizuring kitten (with a fever over 106!) hadn’t received orders for fluids, cooling and appropriate drugs (she had been admitted four hours before my rant). The e-vet and I were yelling at one another in the treatment room while the staff looked on with wide eyes.
E-clinics sometimes fall into the category of things we vets should’ve been careful about when we wished for them. Why? Because when an e-clinic isn’t interested in a general vet’s best interests, they often make clients look upon us with scorn for 1) feeding them to the [expensive] dogs when we can’t see them, 2) for all the wrongs the emergency vets might commit, including lapses in perceived degree of courtesy and 3) for pawning off our “failure” on another vet.
I’ve had emergency vets tell my clients their pets “weren’t sewn up right” after they’d chewed out their stitches, pull teeth on an “emergency” basis (without dental X-rays or appropriate equipment, I might add), repair ear hematomas (telling my clients the procedure was an emergency—I’ve never seen one explode yet), defer surgery in favor of more routine patients until (in one horrible case) my bloat referral died in the waiting room, miss a pneumothorax diagnosis on a hit by car case (so that after an all night vigil at the e-clinic it died in the morning as soon as it finally hit the surgeon’s doorstep). These are but a few of the horrors I’ve seen.
But wait…what sins might I have committed in my early years in practice as an emergency clinician? I hope they were few given that my alma mater was forty-five minutes away and I referred anything that looked even a shade too wooly. But who knows?
I’ve come to one conclusion on the e-vet versus the general vet, now that I have an e-clinic worth referring my patients to: An e-clinic should know that it’s in the business of serving the referring vet’s patients. If it’s worthy of its steep prices, it keeps this fact in mind above all others. When it treats my clients and their loved ones with the same respect I afford them, it means they’re doing a great job. It also means I can stop showing up at all hours…because now I can finally get a good night’s sleep.
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I was going to take my elderly cat to the emergency clinic one time during the last year, but found out they weren't going to even look at him until the next day. Also their fee for even before seeing the animals seems really excessive to me.
Diana McCoy August 2nd, 2007 09:12:00 PM
despite my begging/pleading, my mom went ahead and had her 11 year old persian cat shaved in the middle of winter last year. we live in vegas, so it's not like we're knee deep in snow or anything, but you dont shave an older cat in the winter. you just dont.
redboy was all quiet and mopey after he came home from petco. i didnt live with the family, if i had he would have gone to the vet the next day. 4 days of picking at his food and lethargy later, my mom took him to the emergency vet.
$850 later, they'd given him fluids and wrapped him in an electric blanket. i had them test for FLV and upper respiratory, and nothing was found. we decided to leave him there for the night. the facility was very new and nice, but the staff seemed so stupid. the front receptionist actually recommended that we bring TUNA for him the next day to get him to eat. TUNA! i nearly exploded. you're telling us to bring our dehydrated, older PERSIAN (sensitive stomachs) TUNA of all things? everyone who has a cat knows that canned food alone can give a cat the runs, tuna will wreak havoc on a cat's system, sending them straight to life-threatening dehydration if they're already unstable!
we took him to our regular vet and did what we could for him over the next two weeks, but we never found out why or what happened. i hold firm that he wastoo old to be groomed, it was too cold, and who knows if something had been out of the ordinary at petco that day. they dont check fro shots, that's for damn sure.
charity August 2nd, 2007 10:05:00 PM
Have had two different emergency vet experiences.
On with a cat showing blood in her urine, which was, as I suspected, a UTI. The
emergency clinic where we took her is also a specialty clinic. We saw a vet with
a great table-side manner, who took lab tests, arranged for results to go to our regular
vet, told us that the cat was in kidney failure, and prescribed some antibiotics to start.
A couple days later, after the lab results were back, the medications was changed.
She was also started on k/d. (It was certainly better treatment than a human would
get from the average HMO -- no testing there to see which bacteria!) After the
courses of antibiotics were over, and now that she's in another home, this cat's
current vet says she is NOT in kidney failure, so that might have been caused
by the seriousness of the infection.
The second time we went to a different clinic, smaller place, with a cat that had been
lethargic all day, refusing to eat. We waited quite a while, they looked her over,
found reasonable body condition for a slender Tonk, no fever, nothing obviously
abnormal, so we paid our money and took her home. She got up the next morning,
ate, and was less lethargic, no doubt to avoid another vet visit.
sj August 3rd, 2007 12:28:00 AM
I've only had to use the E-vet on one occasion when my cats' roughhousing resulted in a scratched cornea. Fortunately it was a week night at 1:30 AM and we got in with no wait. The vet did everything I would have expected (having had a scratched cornea myself). The e-vet told me that he was faxing the records over to my regular vet.
My regular vet called the next day and he was very pleased with their work. I don't know if the situation is unique but a couple of the vets in the practice I take my cats to came from the e-vet. Also, my regular vet has some type of program where they send their staff over to work at the e-vets to learn what its all about.
I don't think there is any mutual ownership - just a really good working relationship.
2CatMom August 3rd, 2007 12:22:00 PM
I worked as a receptionist/assistant at an e-clinic for 8 years part-time. This was a while ago, when the practice served most of the JHB area, and was staffed by one full-time vet. Not many of them lasted longer than the first 6-month contract, but for a young vet, it was one heck of a learning experience. And a vet who'd worked there was guaranteed to be better than far more senior vets at many things.
The only problem though, was the quality of the care depended on the individual vet. There were some who I wouldn't trust to euthanase an animal without killing it accidentally. And some who I'd go to the other side of town to see once they were in general practice.
Nowdays, JHB is covered with e-clinics. Some of these are the actual practice of the vet concerned. And it seems that the vets end up in all night work mostly because they are too incompetent to maintain a regular practice. Others are general vets, who have extended their hours, and far more preferable. There is true 24-hour coverage, decent handover - because the same records are in use - and full access to all the equipment and meds that a general practice would keep.
And the place where I worked? Still in business, with an owner/practitioner. At the rehab centre we see the results - a bird with a week old fracture that involves two joints and the humerus, and is almost putrid. Treatment? A way under-dose of antibiotic and a referral to us with the implication that we would sanction his performance. Cost? More than my general practice vet charges for a spay.......
jcat August 5th, 2007 01:37:00 PM
I've had to use a nearby emergency clinic a number of times (cats/dogs are like people - get sick at night or on weekends), and I have been thankful they were available, but angered by some vet behaviors. The staff are great -- very friendly and caring for animals and people. The vets make accurate diagnoses, but some seem determined to force treatment plans on me and get angry when I say I'm not willing to approve the extensive treatments. It's hard to talk to a stranger about cost/benefit of treatments, and they don't even want to discuss it. My general vet is excellent and always discusses the practical side of treatment plans also -- what we can do if I am able to pay for any treatment, what we can do that would provide the most benefit if I have to stay within my budget. I've had enough experiences now that I am better prepared to stand my ground (transferred my cat against their wishes to my vet after only overnight IV care/lab tests -- my vet was able to keep her all day and provide further treatment at less cost and my cat did fine. I know the e-vet was pushing the "best" treatment, but I sometimes have to go for the "best I can afford". The e-vet doesn't make this easy. Actually, it was one of their vet techs who finally took the time to talk to me and discuss which procedures would be highest priority so that I could figure out which procedures to postpone (to be done by my vet) without killing my cat by lack of care. The e-vet should have been the person who had that discussion with me - next time I will demand that they do.
shadepuppy August 9th, 2007 10:12:00 PM
Charity said "everyone who has a cat knows that canned food alone can give a cat the runs"
Um.. everyone doesn' tknow that. In fact, a good quality canned food with low carbs is one of the better things you can feed your cat.. see http://www.catinfo.org for the reasons why - it is a site run by a vet.
Now a cat that is exclusively on one type of food, or even one brand of food, and that food is changed abruptly, that can cause the runs, but even that isn't a given. Lots of cats can't handle abrupt food changes, but lots of them can.
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