Vetcetera Taste in veterinary medicine

August 22nd, 2007  

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When my ex-husband was around 2 he and some of his family went to a farm where there were chickens. His mother turned around just in time to see him eating a chicken turd! Of course 2 year olds will put anything in their mouths, but in this case he was evidently enjoying it.
As far as my cats are concerned, sometimes they seem to like certain flavors of Fancy Feast, but other times they turn up their noses and refuse to eat the same flavors - go figure. It makes it hard to determine which ones to give them - and I need to supplement their Purina Indoor Cat Chow with the canned stuff, which I need to give them to try and get my elderly Voodoo to eat. As it is he tries to avoid me when I first put it out, since he knows he's going to get Viokase that I've powdered and mostly dissolved in juice from the can.

Diana McCoy August 22nd, 2007 09:54:00 AM

Well ... as long as you're not testing for roundworms by taste, all is well. :)

Gina Spadafori August 22nd, 2007 10:00:00 AM

My cats get abscesses all the time and I'm supposed to give them this hideous amoxicillin suspension, which I never give more than 3 doses of because they won't eat it. Is there a better option that I can request from my vet? Or does a simple abscess *really* need abx? They don't in people...

Jes August 22nd, 2007 10:06:00 AM

Jes: Simple abscesses can sometimes do perfectly well with epsom salt hot packs or soaks. Deep tissue abscesses accompanied by fevers usually *need* antibiotics. Learning to pill a cat with a capsule is a Godsend for most owners though, if the beast is amenable enough. Then they don't have to taste anything. Leaving your cat indoors so they don't get abscesses? Priceless. ;-)

Dr. Patty Khuly August 22nd, 2007 10:33:00 AM

Ah, yes, pilling or squirting the cat. Good way to get your cardio in for the day. :) I see no reason why they shouldn't taste as good as possible - it's not like your pets can understand that "Yes, I know this tastes like crap, but it really will make you feel better" - you can just *barely* explain that to a kid!

I have heard (but fortunately haven't had a reason to test it yet) that many cats will go nuts for butterscotch and a bit of butterscotch syrup or pudding on a pill will make it go down much easier.

CDC August 22nd, 2007 10:39:00 AM

i had problems with an older dog and 'chewable' versions of some drugs. even smothered with peanut butter or the like - she was nearly impossible to medicate. rather than force the issue, i ended up requesting the non-chewable form which she found much less offensive and so i could hide them in anything that she would eat.

laura August 22nd, 2007 10:44:00 AM

I use olive oil since cats often resent sweet flavors. And some cats are sensitive to pilling-related esophageal issues (abrasions, erosions, ulcers, etc.) especially with chronic administrations of dry pills.

Dr. Patty Khuly August 22nd, 2007 10:46:00 AM

Dr.Patty- Your office doesn't have a compounding kit?

My vet has one. I don't remember the company that puts it out, but it comes with 10 more different flavors for animals that are hard to medicate. Some of the flavors are beef, tuna, bubblegum (a favorite of most ferrets because it's sweet) and there a bunch more.

I don't think they are cheap, but it makes life alot easier for pet owners.

Stacy August 22nd, 2007 11:06:00 AM

Yep...I figured as a kid that if my dogs ate it, so could I. Many happy meals where I'd have a handful of dry food to share with them - luckily enough, my mother never saw it!
Dr Khuly - don't know if you can get it in the US (it's an SA developed product for racing pigeons), but Medi-trich is 100mg metronidazole in a coated tablet, not only tastes nice and goes down easy, but is a lot less harsh on the stomach for frequent/long-term use. Worth getting if you can.
And like Laura's, none of my dogs like chewable Rimadyl - I don't even like the smell! - so I use the non-chewable hidden in soft cheese.
The worst though is the Vit B complex syrup that my one vet keeps her own personal bottle of - other vet and I both call her to measure it out because it's soooo revolting!

jcat August 22nd, 2007 11:19:00 AM

I have to call my sweetie whenever we get drugs for the pets- he keeps track of which are easier to pill and which are easier to squirt. And yes, they do give us the liquid clindamycin, and I had some this week by accident. It is terribly bitter.

Sassy had one of her teeth falling out this week - a bottom fang flopped forward and obviously loose. I took her in. She is an incredibly easy-going cat, so they were able to just give her a local and yank. Her jaw was probbed after, but the root wasn't coming out and did not look infected or abscessed. The antibiotics are a precaution to make sure that doesn't happen. The last time we took her in for a full dental, she coded while they were inducing anesthesia, so we're all a wee paranoid about putting her under for another dental, although she probably needs one.

And I love Bourdain.

Georg August 22nd, 2007 12:03:00 PM

Pilling cats with capsules is a breeze. You can ask your vet to have pills crushed up and put into capsules - they don't get 'stuck' in the throat the way a dry pill can. I've found the less fuss you make and the quicker you do the pilling the better. And at least for cats, don't bother with the blow in the face, stroke the throat bit. Open mouth, tilt head back, pop in as deep as you can and let go. Most cats will reflexively swallow as their heads come down. This works really well with my big male who does not like to be messed with. Its done before he even knows whats happened.

2CatMom August 22nd, 2007 12:49:00 PM

I'm not sure our taste buds always work the same as other species' do--ferrets will do headstands and backflips for linatone or ferretone. I've tasted linatone and all I can say is blech! And the taste just lingers and lingers.

I agree that ferrets generally like bubblegum flavor. I've had some luck with metronidazole compounded with poultry flavor, but by "luck" I mean that getting the med into the ferret was challenging rather than nearly impossible :-/

Regina August 22nd, 2007 01:22:00 PM

Good timing!

I am currently house/cat sitting for my friends and their 18 years old male cat. Although I am not a 'cat person', I love this cat, he is hilarious. (Although, I wish he were nicer to my Chihuahua....).
That being said, he is on an antibiotic called "Clavamox" for a UTI. He will be on this for the whole 2 weeks we watch him. My friends informed me of this the day before they left, and I envisioned my arms turned into hamburger and hissing I could not comprehend. THEN....get this....they said "when he sees you fill the syringe he will walk over and sit down. Then, just let him lick it and he'll open his mouth and you just squirt it in".....Yeah right! *reflects in disbelief*. Well, no $hit, that is exactly what this cat did. I have never seen anything like it. So, I sniffed it (sorry, not willing to taste it) and it didn't smell like anything a cat would like. It didn't really smell like anything.

Is this highly irregular behavior from a cat? Or is there kitty crack in this stuff?

ps - Dr. Patty, did you see the little movie I posted for you in the thread about Vincent and rebooting? Lol.....

Amy in Cambridge August 22nd, 2007 03:01:00 PM

hi, Dr. Patty! i have a question. in the past i have used the over the counter liquid called Calm Down mixed with a little Solid Gold Tuna for cats. i find that it makes short car trips more bearable and new pet introductions less stressful.

are you familiar with this drug? is it safe?

charity August 22nd, 2007 06:51:00 PM

Charity: I'm familiar with Calm Stress or Stress Calm (I'm not sure which). It works in roughly 25% of pets. I also use Feliway spray for car trips (I hate druggy sedatives!).

Dr. Patty Khuly August 22nd, 2007 08:10:00 PM

Amy: Highly irregular indeed! Although Clavamox is reasonably palatable I never heard of a cat that will *beg* for it!

I haven't seen the video. I *will* look.

Dr. Patty Khuly August 22nd, 2007 08:11:00 PM

My vet also uses a compounding pharm for our Metronidazole. She once tasted the stuff we used to get and gagged for hours. She said that no matter what she did she couldn't get the awful taste out of her mouth!

I once told a client that Rimadyl "tastes great so you shouldn't have any problems getting him to eat it." She looked at me like I had grown horns.

Ali August 23rd, 2007 12:18:00 AM

Pilling a 90 pound GSD - even a very well trained one - with a foul tasting medication is very nearly as difficult as medicating a 2 year old human. Fortunately, we discovered a pharmacist who taste-tested all the liquid meds routinely prescribed for kids and chose the least offensive brands.

We also discovered that the 90 pound GSD was nuts for marshmallows and would take anything we hid in one, no problem. Cheese, peanutbutter, liverworst, other meats? She'd manage to swallow the food and eject the pill. Marshmallows? Down every time. Too bad it took so long to figure that out.

Also too bad the same trick doesn't work on my Aussie.

Judy August 23rd, 2007 03:00:00 AM

Kenya Dog gets her pills wrapped in cream cheese. No problems whatsoever. But for the cats, I restrain them and Jazz rams whatever medicine down. For some medications we can mix with food and give that way, but that's not very common.

Georg August 23rd, 2007 08:22:00 AM

I curious how you know that what your taste buds like is what dogs and cats will like.

Laura Bennett August 23rd, 2007 09:05:00 AM

Laura: I know I can't possibly know...but, as I said, I've got to give it a try. Luckily, bitterness is one taste we all seem to understand.

Dr. Patty Khuly August 23rd, 2007 09:22:00 AM

I recently had to pill an 11 month old cat recovering from a broken pelvis and subsequent hip surgery. I was terrified to hold onto him too tightly for fear of hurting him and the vet introduced me to these wonderful cat treats that are essentially pockets. You slip the pill into the pocket, squeeze it close with the other hand and give it like a treat. They're wonderful and they worked!

Shannon August 23rd, 2007 02:20:00 PM

Well, humans have a lot more taste buds than dogs or cats (or most other animals, for that matter), which explains our wide variety of foods. So it makes sense to me that something you like will be liked by your pets. But in the same vein, it makes sense that something you don't like *might* be palatable to your pets (you can taste something that they can't), but the only way you would know would be market testing using the actual intended species for the feed/medication.

Bettie August 24th, 2007 11:03:00 AM

Bettie: I like how you think. That makes some sense.

Dr. Patty Khuly August 24th, 2007 02:03:00 PM

Bettie's comment makes sense. Within the last year, wasn't there some paper
published with great fanfare saying that cats have NO tastebuds for sweet.
being obligate carnivores who can manufacture their own vitamin C. I think
most creatures with taste buds can probably detect bitter to prevent them
from eating plants with toxins. Some people are "super-tasters", who can't
stand the taste of vegetables, especially the cabbage family. The person
I know who's a super-taster can only stand ice-berg lettuce, carrots,
apples, and bananas, and that's about it for the vegetable kingdom for
him.

What I've noticed about cats' tastes is that sometimes it's the SMELLY food,
meaty or fishy smelling, that can convince them to eat, like bits of tuna. IVD Duck
and Green Pea pate style limited ingredient canned food also has a distinct aroma,
especially if you are warming it up a bit to take the chill of the fridge off. (A
seven-pound cat just will not polish off 5 ounces of wet food in one "sitting".)
Individually, they also seem to have their own food preference quirks.

Our former cat liked a dab of aerosol cheese spread to "cleanse her palate" after
being pilled with Baytril (reputedly VERY bitter, but toxic to humans). The
other cat who's on the above cat food is motivated very little by food.
The one treat in the world that attracts her attention is freeze-dried white
meat chicken. Homemade poached chicken she just ignores. If she's on
a hunger strike, what will attract her to eat is the freeze dried chicken,
soaked in a little water. Go figure.

sj August 24th, 2007 04:43:00 PM

So how come one of my cats likes sweet items? What do sweet items taste like to an animal that doesn't have the ability to taste 'sweet?'

2CatMom August 27th, 2007 11:53:00 AM

help. My 15 year old cat was just dx with kidney disease. I have to give her an appetite stimulant. It is liquid form and it makes her foam at the mouth. She hates it!! This makes her get very very upset/nervous. I am in need of as much information about kidney disease. What can I give her etc. Thanks!!!

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