Vet P.O.V. They Eat What We Are: New York Times Magazine ventures into nutrition and pet food (Part 2: My take)

September 10th, 2007  

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<I>“The increasing specialization of the pet food industry today may well reflect not just our desire to keep our pets healthy but also our increasing urge to shape them in our own image.”</i>

I can't get to the full article, but WOW. Everyone I know that has pets worries about what they feed them because they want healthy and happy pets.

I guess since I like being happy & healthy myself, I'm just trying to shape my dog & cats in my image.

I'm quite sure my friends who have struggled with food allergies and squicky stomachs with their pets were just trying to mash their furry buddies in their own image as well - animals that didn't have constant upset tummies or itching or other discomforts, just like their owners...

My Dad always had a saying about the Times: "All the news that fits, we print." Sounds like they're still at it.

CDC September 10th, 2007 10:32:00 AM

When I try to read the Times article, it gets cut off at the 17th paragraph with this line:
In 1816, a French physiologist, Franà . . . (can't see the rest)

Can one of you please email me either the entire article or the part I am missing? Thanks!
maverickcats@gmail.com

Heather#2 September 10th, 2007 01:36:00 PM

Sometimes research is messy. It's not always pretty but it is vitally important to our health and the health of our pets. We should be aware of research that affects our pets but at the same time, grisly expose's like this Times article are, in my opinion, entirely unnecessary.

In the case of Psycho Kitty (who currently thinks the new couch is her throne), we ran into an unfortunate circumstance a few weeks ago when, at the bottom of a bag of what seems to be a fairly high quality dry kibble (Advoderm), we didn't have the extra bucks to buy the same fancy food right away. So we went back to her standby, Purina Indoor Formula. I never noticed it before the original switch to Advoderm but Purina is like junk food for kitties! She thinks she needs twice as much and despite rigorous rations, she has still managed to gain weight AND her box needs to be cleaned twice as often. Next grocery trip, she goes back on Advoderm!

The point being that clearly a lab did some research on what would actually be good for an active indoor cat to eat to keep said cat at a healthy weight, feel energetic, and be, well, a cat instead of using the cheapest ingredients available that sort of mirror what a cat should eat. Do any of us want to feet our beloved companion animals the equivalent of Snickers bars every day?

MeriGray September 10th, 2007 04:50:00 PM

Heather#2: I'm having the same issue now (not a few days ago). Can anyone help us?

Dr. Patty Khuly September 10th, 2007 08:22:00 PM

Dr. Patty,

I found a link to the full text at another website. <http://www.blueridgenow.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?...

Heather#2 September 10th, 2007 10:38:00 PM

Well, that didn't work. I'll just let you cut and paste:

http://www.blueridgenow.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?...

Heather#2 September 10th, 2007 10:40:00 PM

Apparently, you have to be smarter than the computer . . .

Heather#2 September 10th, 2007 10:42:00 PM

Now now Dr. Patty, remember your rants about pocket pets! There certainly is a ongoing struggle between viewing pets as a real living species (re: the surprising turn of a lawsuit asking Vick for 15 mil to take care of his pits) vs. the Paris Hilton view of pets as warm assessories. Maybe we're finally going to come of age, consent to share the planet with other species and take up our responsibilities.

I paid not much mind to this reporter's mindset. Obviously someone who is NOT a science reporter. Or wasn't sweating through the pet food recall wondering if there was poison in every bite - I picture this reporter as a non-pet owner, who probably thinks pet owners are silly. His loss, no concern of mine.

I have no objections to trying to find out what's actually usable in the food that goes in a dog's mouth. The NRC sets requirements for nutrients, but above all bioavailability is key, something they still can't quantify. I'd like to see the good Dr. do some honest research. Instead of trying to find the perfect mix of readily available cheap byproducts/food industry waste to feed pets, they should always have a few controls - dogs being fed stuff out of the same grocery case we eat out of. Raw or cooked, I really don't care. Afterall, this research is supposed to be about dogs, not humans in sub-Sahara. And BTW, I don't think the answer to famine in AFrica is some version of "food cubes" from Farscape. It's not the lack of rainfall killing people off, it's people burning crops and committing genocide.

And you can't tell me that lack of sunlight and exercise doesn't make a difference in outcomes. Outside twice a week? Give me a break. Let them live a more normal life. They have plenty of grad students they can require a once a week play time with dogs so they could get out every day. Bet there would be droves signing up, many missing their own pups. How much research is flawed by the rat cage sitting by the window vs. the rat cage in a dark corner?

And then there's the issue of socialization. Living next to each other in cages isn't the same as being part of a pack. The idea that you need to isolate and treat dogs in such a manner to get good data is flawed, outmoded and needs changing. Good gravy, talk about missing the obvious. If they think that environment could change outcomes, then their data doesn't mean much does it? No way to generalize to a population from this specific data. At the most it's a bare minimum kind of thing.

And then there's the issue that occurs in human studies. For instance, sometimes in comparing a cancer treatment to no treatment, if a patient dies they drop them out of the study as if they didn't exist. So if these dogs get diabetes or Addison's disease, is that part of the data?

CathyA September 12th, 2007 08:52:00 AM

Again all you guys are missing te bigger point-this research is not necessary. The writer Fred Kaufaman is not promoting we do these things that Dr. Fahey is hired to do, he is making fun of VETS, Of people who believe in vets, and of people who believe that vets are gods/all knowing and that pet food companies are doing this in the name for love of the animals health. He features a great company like Righteous Dog Food, a company that really cares about dog health and changing the way you people look at dog health care in a significant way. That IS making a change in dog health in a real way. Vets don't care about dog health, they care about making money, charging us for detrimental vaccines that harm our animals in the long run just so they can pay their rent and overhead. Most Vets don't even know how to diagnose specific ailments, isn't it true that when you go to your vet they will give your animal a cortisone shot and prescribe that nasty canned rice food for them. What does that have to do with healing or nuturing an animal or nutrition. They are concerned with just sustaining an animal instead of making it thrive. Look at www.righteousdogfood.com, a beautiful ,simple and easy to understand site about dog food and dog health.

morgan September 12th, 2007 11:23:00 PM

morgan said: "Most Vets don't even know how to diagnose specific ailments, isn't it true that when you go to your vet they will give your animal a cortisone shot and prescribe that nasty canned rice food for them."

......That's a pretty sweeping (and incorrect) statement. I have my battles with vets, but I've never believed that MOST vets don't know how to diagnose ailments. While it's true there are vets who reach for the cortisone shot first thing for any allergy and itching, if you don't discuss the issue with them and just let them do it, that's your fault. Unfortunately there are also a lot of owners out there who don't want to spend much money, just want instant results. Thus they're happy with a shot and refuse anything that might smack of a higher vet bill.

And as for righteous dog food, I don't believe Dr. Kruesi's opinion on carbs and I don't like herbs added to dog food on a regular basis. Herbs are medicine and should be given for specific conditions. Not to mention that rosemary is a trigger for some epileptic dogs and does not belong in dog food, period unless you're adding it for a reason.

I do believe that most dog with constant itchies and skin problems in particular can be helped by taking them off carb laden dog food, but you can do that yourself.

CathyA September 13th, 2007 09:05:00 AM

I agree, CathyA, that there are far too many people who view pets as children with less of a species distinction than they should. I believe this degree of humanization can be taken to pathological extremes. Though this trend is surging, for sure, the vast majority of pet lovers are not so extreme in their outlook. They just want to do what's right by their alt-species family members. I just had an issue with the mindset that we pet lovers are driving the industry's bad tactics and kookiness with our own over-zealous approach to our pets. Maybe I'm the only one that feels that way but I just couldn't get past it.

Dr. Patty Khuly September 13th, 2007 09:47:00 AM

Morgan: I would urge you to refrain from painting us all with the same brush. Most vets *do not* go to vet school to make money and push vaccines. The trend among emerging graduates is actually contrary to your assumption: we're giving fewer vaccines and making less money. As to the cortisone shot...well...some vets do but most vets don't--not without an awful lot of hand-wringing and discussion.

Dr. Patty Khuly September 13th, 2007 10:14:00 AM

"Most Vets don't even know how to diagnose specific ailments, isn't it true that when you go to your vet they will give your animal a cortisone shot.."

This depends on the severity of the symptoms. Just like in humans, the first line of defense is anti-histamines, but if the symptoms are particularly severe, corticosteroids are the most effective.

"Vets don't care about dog health, they care about making money, charging us for detrimental vaccines that harm our animals in the long run just so they can pay their rent and overhead. What does that have to do with healing or nuturing an animal or nutrition. They are concerned with just sustaining an animal instead of making it thrive."

Vets- They have the same amount of student loans as a clinician (MD), but with way less return. The vet bills seem more expensive because pets don't have insurance. For us humans with insurance, we hardly see the expense of medical care because we are often charged just the copay. As of them not caring, that is a baseless generalization. They cared enough to get into vet school which is EXTREMELY competitive (even more than a med school), and as expensive as med school but with WAY less money afterwards.

Developing a vaccine is a very expensive endeavor, it exists for a purpose. And I encourage you to research what that purpose is. Just like for us, any vaccine or medication administered carries a side effect or risk, but the benefits far outweigh the risks. But just because a dog is "thriving" on righteous food, does not mean he will be resistant to rabies or kennel cough. And just like for us, just because I am "thriving" on my righteous food/diet counterpart, does not mean I will be resistant to measles, tetanus, etc.

Kate September 14th, 2007 12:24:00 PM

Has anyone bothered to look up this amazing little company Righteous Dog Food mentioned in the article.
# Posted By Maria | 9/11/07 1:53 PM

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Yvonne Conza October 9th, 2007 12:05:00 PM

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