Vet P.O.V. Teacup pup disaster in Miami (Internet buyers beware!)

September 19th, 2007  

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<i>For next time, your best bet is to always see the premises, the parents, the breeder license, and the veterinary records.</i>

A small caveat: the breeder having both parents in residence is often (not always!) a sign of a backyard breeder. Careful, responsible breeders will often not have the best stud for a particular bitch, and will use another breeder's stud dog. And some breeders protect against oops litters by having only bitches or only dogs, and always cooperate with another breeder to produce a litter.

You should always be able to see the mother. The father not being on premises is not a bad sign, unless you can't see his papers AND either still pictures or video of him.

Lis September 19th, 2007 11:37:00 AM

Bravo!! Great article!
I agree that the "lemon law" is sometimes not completely useful. Most people, finding out that their new puppy has a congentital problem can't bear to return it to the breeder to get a refund - especially if they suspect that the breeder will immediately either put the puppy to sleep, or (more likely) re-sell it to another unsuspecting buyer who hopefully won't have the heart to return it.
Because of this, if a problem crops up with a new puppy many reputable breeders are starting to offer full or partial refunds, or even a replacement dog WITHOUT the owners having to return the pup, unless they want to.

Barb September 19th, 2007 01:35:00 PM

Lis: Oops. You're right. Maybe I should let you read my articles before I send them to the paper.

Dr. Patty Khuly September 19th, 2007 02:47:00 PM

What can I say? I'm a librarian who does editing as part of my HOBBY activities. And hwo is a little bit obsessed with her pets. You see the sad result in your comments section...:)

Lis September 19th, 2007 04:00:00 PM

And can't type reliably.

Lis September 19th, 2007 04:00:00 PM

Just because a dog comes with papers, that doesn't mean much other than people often pay a higher price for a shoddy piece of paper. Just because a dog is registered doesn't mean that the pups are always show quality or otherwise. I bought into the whole paper thing many years ago and the dog was anything but show quality.

As far as buying pets over the internet, I would like to think that it's just common sense not to do that, but people are always looking for a "deal". Blech! There are endless internet sites complaining about this issue, but yet people do it anyway. So either these owners are impulsive buyers or they just can't be bothered to do their research first. I starting to think that it's a little of both...

Stacy September 19th, 2007 05:48:00 PM

My opinion is that anytime the word "teacup" is mentioned, the prospective buyer should run the other way. There is no such thing as a teacup puppy. It is a made-up term used to separate a buyer from his money. These tiny dogs are the results of breeding the runts to other runts. I can remember not too long ago when the runt of the litter was considered undesirable. How perspectives change!

Susan September 19th, 2007 08:23:00 PM

To Lis's comments I would add that out-of-state does not equal bad any more than seeing both parents equals good. (Personally, if I saw both parents on the premises, I'd run the other way with the words "backyard breeder!" bouncing around inside my head.) Sadly, I've heard the "both parents on the premises" advice repeated again and again by vets and vet techs.

For many breeds, reputable breeders are few and far between and the one breeding the type of dog you want (working talent vs. family companion as examples) or who offers the most support and handholding (that takes the burden off of vets dontcha know >ggg<) might be located states away.

As much as I enjoy your blog, have to say you missed on this one; you were trying to touch on what a responsible breeder is and came so close but yet so far. :-(

Deanna September 20th, 2007 09:19:00 AM

Susan, when I was just starting to attend dog shows and get to know people involved with breeding, I remember asking the owner of a rather small Boxer bitch if she was the runt of the litter, tossing the word off as casually as any member of the general public would (thinking it meant the smallest in the litter), not realizing that there was any great meaning attached. I was pinned with a scathing look and shushed immediately. NOT the runt, there was no runt in the litter. Oh, OK, I get it, the word has a different meaning here. Now I know what you said -- a runt would never be kept for breeding or shown.

Deanna September 20th, 2007 09:26:00 AM

"From an out of state breeder" and "over the internet" are not the same thing, at all. Even finding the breeder initially through their website is not the same thing as buying your puppy "over the internet."

Lots of responsible breeders have websites. No responsible breeders will list puppies for sale, with prices, and have an online store where you can put a deposit on a puppy without first being extensively checked out by the breeder. No matter what they say, no matter how many titles they claim for their dogs, that's a puppy mill. They're in it solely for the money, and the pups will not be well-bred or well-raised.

Every puppy and every kitten in a pet store comes from a non-reputable source, because reputable breeders do not consign the fate of their babies to people who will give those babies to anyone with cash in hand or enough room on their credit card.

Anyone whose dogs have NO titles, who says they are just breeding "good pets" and don't show because it's all so political, is at best a backyard breeder, maybe not evil but not knowledgable enough to be a reliable source of healthy, well-bred, well-adjusted puppies. This doesn't mean everyone has to do conformation showing, but any responsible breeder will be doing SOMETHING else with their dogs besides just breeding them--show, obedience, field trials, earth trials, agility, whatever is appropriate to the breed. If your pup's parents and grandparents have no titles at all, then no one other than one partial and motivated person is judging the quality and temperament of the breeding stock. THAT is the value of titles in the recent pedigree, when you're looking for "just a good pet."

Lis September 20th, 2007 10:12:00 AM

Just a note about responsible breeders (I know many, not just several!)

Responsible breeders:
- Belong to a reputable breed club, which is in turn a member club of the AKC or UKC or registries unique to that breed
- Do NOT belong to the Continental Kennel Club, the American Pet Registry, or numerous other "registries" which accept dogs without pedigree and DNA testing, or which register mixed breed dogs.
- Follow a breeders Code of Ethics, as described by their breed club. Look for "COE breeder" on their websites or literature.
- Breed their dogs to a standard. Minis, teacups, giants, etc. are almost universally NON-standard and are not done with improvement of the breed in mind.
- Do genetic health screening and testing, depending upon the common genetic faults in the breed. These may include OFA (hips, elbows), CERF (eyes), Optigen DNA testing for PRA and other retinal degenerative diseases, testing for VonWillebrand's disease, etc. ASK to see the results for both parents and grandparents, if tests were available. A standard "vet check" does NOTHING to ensure genetic health.
- Will not sell puppies without requiring an application process, and will not breed a litter without a waiting list. This means you will usually not get a puppy immediately from a breeder.
- Shows their dogs to championships in conformation and/or in field trials/performance events to determine their suitability for breeding. Just being a "good pet" is not enough to prove breed-worthiness.
- Will not sell puppies without a contract, usually requiring spay/neuter of pet quality animals or showing of show quality animals. A good contract includes health guarantees that carry into adulthood (such as 2 years for OFA), and return policies. Many contracts require buyers to contact the breeder first should they ever need to re-home their dog. Reputable breeders do NOT want their kennel name being besmirched by dogs winding up in puppy mills or shelters.
- Will withhold registration papers until contract provisions have been met.
- Will be available to answer questions regarding the raising, training and future care of the dog.
- Will not sell puppies through newspaper ads and never, ever through a broker. In other words, if the puppy is in a pet store, it did NOT come from a REPUTABLE BREEDER.
- Will probably not allow the buyer to pick the puppy they want - they will match the puppy's temperament, energy level and performance potential to the desires of the owner first, color and appearance second.
- Will require references from potential puppy buyers.

Tracy D September 20th, 2007 05:24:00 PM

Oh... and a "breeders license" is generally issued by the USDA and is an indication of a VOLUME breeder. Few hobby breeders do enough breeding to require licensing. Almost all puppy mill breeders have USDA licenses. None of the show breeders/COE breeders I know do.

Tracy D September 20th, 2007 05:29:00 PM

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