Vet P.O.V. Tasers and vet medicine—no, really

September 26th, 2007  

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I agree, it may have been better to try the pepper spray again. I have a great dane that weights 175 lbs and would not want him tased no matter what he was doing. Not that he does anything but attack me and lay on the sofa!

I used to know a cop that carried a bag of dog treats in his patrol car. He used the treats for any stray animals he saw & then reported to animal control. He also told me that once he had to use them to distract 2 dogs that were attacking a 3rd dog. The treats distracted those 2 dogs just enough to get them away and get pepper sprayed slightly away from the poor doggie victim. Once pepper sprayed they ran and he was able to get the 3rd dog to a local Vet.

Anne September 26th, 2007 09:05:00 AM

I'm still trying roll this whole this whole thing around in my head. Let say this -one of guys -perhaps my friend with a English Bulldog Rescue down in Miami did this. Just even the pepper spray stuff. Never mind the Tazer.
She's be hauled off for animal cruelty don't you think?

cyndi

cyndi September 26th, 2007 09:12:00 AM

Cyndi: I once had a heat stroke case in a bulldog secondary to pepper spray. The bully wasn't even attacking anyone--he just happened to waddle along when the dog-phobic mailman was making his way up the steps to the porch. This bully's skin was bright pink all over his head neck face and chest. His eyes were beyond puffy. Sour cream and IV fluids did the trick but the moral of the tory is that bulldogs and pepper spray do not mix. (And btw, the USPS paid the bill.)

Dr. Patty Khuly September 26th, 2007 11:00:00 AM

Tasers have killed people - so using them on an animal weighing less than a human is a really bad idea.

There was a piece on TV the other night showing a woman who was repeatedly Tased by a cop even when she was complying with his instructions. I'm really suprised she didn't end up with a heart attack or stroke. I hope she sues the sh-t out of the police department.

Tasers are dangerous - cops need to be trained to only use them when its a choice of either Tase or shoot. Too many cops are using them for situations that can be handled with a little diplomatic skill and some patience.

2CatMom September 26th, 2007 11:38:00 AM

Like the previous poster said, tasers should only be used as a non-lethal (or at least less-lethal) alternative to deadly force i.e. shooting.
Certainly, it's much much better that the cop tased the dog RATHER than shooting it... and although I can think of several other alternatives for breaking up a dog fight (and so can most of you too) it's very possible that the cop was not that experienced with dogs, and didn't know anything else to do. Pet dogs get shot by police officers all the time - at least this story didn't turn out that way.

Barb September 26th, 2007 03:09:00 PM

Isn't a hose with cold water the traditional way to break up a dog fight? Or am I misremembering that? I know a police chief and makes every single one of his officers take a course and be tasered themselves before being allowed to carry a taser.

From what I understand - as we just talked about this Sunday - it is unlikely Mariah felt anything since the jolt is delivered by two little prongs that form the current. People can hold onto someon - skin on skin - and not feel anything from the person being tasered.

Now, the reality is that the majority of police chiefs are not as cautious in either their hiring practices or training regimens, thus you have other problems.

Pax,

MLO

MLO September 26th, 2007 04:16:00 PM

It would be interesting to get the findings of the "many" animal studies referred to in this article. Very timely with this blog post. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg195262...

Moira September 27th, 2007 12:40:00 PM

There is a good article on how to break up a dog fight without getting hurt at http://www.leerburg.com/dogfight.htm
I do NOT agree with all of the author's views on dog training... but this method of breaking up a dog fight works, and minimizes risk of injury to both the humans and the dogs.
The article starts a short way down the page - just under a photo of a person's forearm with a small bite wound.

Barb September 27th, 2007 03:06:00 PM

I admit up front that I am married to a cop so my view may be biased.

Cops do NOT get special training in dog handling. At least none of the ones I know aside from k-9 handlers. I know some departments are starting "learning to read dog" programs but they are not mandatory. So the cops are making dog call decisions all on their own. (those classes stemmed from the family pit that got shot by an officer from a traffic stop years ago. The pit was friendly but the cop was scared of the approach. Scared cop = dead dog. I wonder what would have happened if he had a tazer?)

A tazer, while not ideal, is less lethal than a bullet. At least assumed for that cop and that situation. We know what a bullet does. At least untested, a tazer might not harm the dog permanently. A second dose of pepper spray sounds great but it will only work if there is a second dose in the canister. (they do run out) It also can only be used safely if the officer can dispense it without affecting himself. (it is nasty stuff, trust me) Perhaps the wind or angle was not in his favor.

From what I have heard, the deaths attributed to people (according to the studies that do exist - I'll try to get a link to share) from tazers have occured due to illegal drugs being in the system or health issues stemming from obesity of the person tazed. But I am not an expert.

Do I think dogs should be tazed? Heck no. But the cop had to make a quick decision. Some cops might have done nothing or choses a less survivable option for the attacking dog.

Ad yes there are bad cops making bad decisions out there. The good cops don't like them either. NO job is safe from idiots in the field.

I wish online news articles didn't have a comment option. It just brings out the morons with nothing better to do than sit online all day. The few times I read news online I have to ignore the comments, it infuriates me to much.

Just my 2 cents.

Marie September 27th, 2007 04:18:00 PM

Police should learn how to break up a dog fight in a more humane way. tasers are potentially lethal, on dogs or humans.

robin September 27th, 2007 09:01:00 PM

Cops are pretty busy learning how to break up human fights without getting themselves, or those people, seriously hurt in the process. Learning to break up dog fights is pretty low on their list of priorities. Statisticly I'd say not enough of them are in that situation routinely to justify (to their higher powers) the cost of adding that type of training to their education.

But you have given me an idea for a presentation for our own local cops.

Marie September 27th, 2007 09:35:00 PM

Marie: I love your site: "I do not whisper. I translate."
I hope you do get a chance to educate more cops on this. I know that a great many cops love dogs and are always trying to do their best by them. Anything you can contribute is appreciated by all of us.

Dr. Patty Khuly September 28th, 2007 08:28:00 AM

Thank you! The feeling is quite mutual. Your site is one of the few I read regularly. :-)

Marie September 30th, 2007 02:10:00 PM

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