Vet P.O.V. The financial headache/heartache conundrum in vet medicine

October 24th, 2007  

Add Comment6 Comments

Great post. I always hear stories of clients pulling out the line, "Obviously you don't care about saving animals- you only care about the MONEY." Er, if you aren't willing to pay the cost to fix your pet, who is more concerned about money? To me your cat is a patient, but to you your cat should be family...

Another good explanation that I've heard is that if you feel that you're pulling in enough extra money to do a lot of charity work, then are you really charging fair prices to your clients who *do* pay their bills? Prices should be fair, and it doesn't seem fair to bump up the cost to responsible clients to cover the unpaid bills of the irresponsible.

None of that would make me feel a lot better turning away a client for unwillingness to pay, though, since it's the pet that suffers. :-/ I guess that's why they say that you can't care more about your patient than the patient's owner does.

Megan October 24th, 2007 11:39:00 PM

Great post! In my 14 years of working in a busy 24 hour critical care center, we would be inundated with "special" cases, people pleading for us to make "just one exception". Even after being declined for CareCredit financing, many of these folks continued to beg for some sort of payment plan. When I would tell them that maybe a friend or relative could help them, I would get the blank stare of "what? Ask someone I know for money....never!"

What many folks fail to realize is that veterinarians and veterinary hospitals do not get breaks on electricity, telephone costs, computer costs, or most importantly, medical supplies. Johnson and Johnson does not charge one price for bandaging material to human hospitals and then a second, lower one to veterinarians. Veterinary hospitals are also not subsidized by the goverment or any kind of third party insurance. When people fail to pay their veterinary bill, they are taking money from the doctor and their staff, but more importantly, they are removing the opportunity for that veterinarian to expand his or her business, buy updated medical equipment and supplies and provide that same level of care to other animals in need.

Most veterinarians will, in some cases, provide lower cost services...but it should not be expected. If the first words out of the client's mouth are "Do you take payments?" then often there will end up being an issue. AND...just because you send that person to collections and get a judgement against him does not mean that you will ever see that money.

Obviously, you touched a pet peeve of mine. I will get off my soapbox now and again praise you for the wonderous words that you share with us!! :-)

Tomcat October 25th, 2007 10:12:00 AM

People also forget that most vets have MUCH higher overheads than most MDs... when was the last time you went to your GP and were able to get bloodwork or X-rays done in-house? Forget about surgery! But vets are expected to have in-house X-ray machines, fully equipped labs, treatment areas, surgical suites - and the trained people to staff them.

There are lots of other professions that are MUCH easier to get into, with much more reasonable hours, much more affordable school costs and that pay MUCH more than veterinary medicine does. Every time I hear someone say that a vet is "just in it for the money" because they wouldn't treat THEIR pet for FREE, I tell you I throw up in my mouth a little :-).

Barb October 25th, 2007 04:52:00 PM

Bravo to all vets who do the occasional "pro-bono" services!!
Tomcat and Barb------Amen to the high overhead in the cost of supplies.

I won't post under my usual name, as it could cost me my job if I were recognized. I am an ER charge nurse, and a shelter volunteer. I see many thousands of dollars discarded at my job every day, in "disposable" medical products which could have good use at the pathetically underfunded shelter where I volunteer, often serving as a substitute vet tech since I know my way around a sterile field in surgery, and can do simple things like dressings and injections of vaccines, etc. Our full-time vet makes less than I do at my job; he is devoted, knowledgeable, and caring; he is a gifted surgeon; he often does surgeries and procedures many shelter vets would not attempt, saving animals that would otherwise be euthanized

The vast amount of waste in hospitals is a major factor in the high cost of human health care; but that's another post. I have become a scavenger at work; snatching up perfectly good supplies destined for landfill. Boats of sterile gauze (10 per pkg.) opened for a single dressing which would be thrown out--I grab 'em and they are autoclaved at the shelter. Those 9x12-inch basins used for hospital baths or as vomit basins--once they are opened for a patient they are discarded even if unused--snatch them up for use as litter pans for kittens or small cats in shelter cages. IV bags removed from their protective outer wrap--discarded even if the bag of fluid is unspiked and still sterile--those also go into my "salvage box". Drug vials (and very expensive drugs at that) whose protective cap is loose or missing get tossed---right into my box. I've made friends in Central Supply, Clinical Engineering and the OR to obtain equipment that was to be discarded. When our ER replaced all of our cardiac monitors this summer, the hospital declined to donate any, despite a signed release of liability from the shelter director and veterinarian. So a friend in the clinical engineering dept. called me one morning to tell me that monitors, cables and all would be going to the dumpster in 20 minutes--I was there to retrieve them and into my car they went. Same with electronic IV controllers (the shelter now has 2 of each). Some days when I arrive at the shelter, I need to make 3 or 4 trips to my car just to carry in supplies. I would estimate that I drag in well over $1500 worth of perfectly usable supplies every month--and that is money saved by the shelter that can be spent to feed and house the animals in our care.

Our surgical services are mostly spays and neuters, but every animal in need of a dental gets that at the time of their spay/neuter; we also do the occasional amputation or bowel obstruction repair; then we become a mini-ICU for a short time due to the pilfered equipment. I would guess that in most shelters you would not see a post-op dog being walked by a vet and a nurse--one to hold the leash and one to push the IV pole and pump. Now if only I could make friends with a radiology equipment repairman to replace our broken x-ray machine!...........

Nurse-Volunteer October 26th, 2007 02:15:00 AM

Nurse-Volunteer: If only there were one of you at every hospital I'm sure we could make a serious dent in the pet overpopulation problem. The waste I see in human health is extraordinary--and I dont get to see too much. Thanks for pointing out that there might be a better way with more judicious utilization of tools an supplies!

Dr. Patty Khuly October 26th, 2007 01:16:00 PM

I personally believe in risking being taken for a ride if there's a good cause involved.

Diana November 1st, 2007 10:33:00 AM

Add Commment

Your Name:

CAPTCHA Verification