Vet P.O.V. The pain control conundrum makes its mark in one vet’s painful case

October 29th, 2007  

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It seems bizarre and somewhat creepy that a vet wouldn't want to at least attempt to offer relief of pain to a suffering animal. I certainly would not take my animals to someone with that attitude. Then again, you might be surprised to find out how many docs who treat PEOPLE don't even think pain releif is important. I've been refused pain meds because "Pain is a part of life...". Ugh. Won't go there again.

Judy D October 29th, 2007 07:35:00 PM

Practice guidelines (I speak mainly with reference to human medicine) are entirely different than the "standard of care" concept. Practice guidelines usually have some scientific backing such as published studies that show when certain treatments are used the outcomes are better than if they are not followed. The standard of care is a somewhat more nebulous (though no less real) concept which mainly operates on the consensus of the community. The community is somewhat geographically defined, so the standard (one could also call it the "accepted professional routine") might be different in different areas. So this vet may have some wiggle room in this area, but providing pain medications after surgey DOES seem to be setting the bar pretty low.

kate7047 October 29th, 2007 08:08:00 PM

I know that in human medicine it is now established that pain slows healing. I don't know if animal studies have been done in this area, but I would expect it is ture for animals as well.

Linda H October 29th, 2007 11:29:00 PM

Even if he gets his license back, I feel sorry for the poor patients whose owners may not be aware of his practices. Just as with human doctors, vets should hav an obligation to stay current with medications, practices, etc. If not, they deserve to have their license pulled. Now I am very glad I go to a vet that is current with things for my cats. May cost more, but they receive quality care.

Jenny October 30th, 2007 05:16:00 AM

Let me say that I deal with several broken legs a year. Basically greyhounds that have broken a leg while racing. These dogs get no pain meds until the adoption group gets them to the vet. This could be as long as a week after the break happened. This practice boils my blood. However the dogs seem to handle it very well. Even after surgery to fix the leg. I rarely keep them on pain meds longer than 2 days. They just don't seem to require it. I use the rule that says if they are using the leg it can't hurt so much they need pain meds. I've had a dog who had all but 5 of his teeth removed because his gums were rotted away. The next day he was eating pork neck bones ( by his choice ) A bowl of ground chicken was right by the bones. He chose the bones. When we have dogs spayed or neutered rarely do they get pain meds after the day of surgery. Again they just don't seem to need them. Running through the house is proof enough to me. That they are feeling fine. If they do show signs of discomfort then they get the meds but it is rare.

Ken October 30th, 2007 08:00:00 AM

It's just a hard call... not being there to know more about the individual procedure, the type of owner (we know there are some crazies out there) and the husbandry sitiuation of the dog. I have treated dogs with broken bones and not given pain meds because the dog did not appear painful or if I though that it was a case where pain would protect the dog from further injury. If a person sprains an ankle, they can take a few aspirin and willingly rest it so not to make it worse. If you take away all the pain in an acutely injured animal, they may make the injury worse. Pain, to degree, and at certain times serves a purpose. We also must remember that some of these drugs do have harmful side effects. Each case should be evaluated individually and without being there, I shouldn't pass judgement on this vet.

Tracey October 30th, 2007 12:41:00 PM

Dogs and cats tend to hide pain and other signs of weakness because in the wild, concealing weakness is a survival characteristic. I don't thinkyou can safely conclude from the fact that a dog is not showing pain, that the dog is not feeling pain in response to things that we know cause considerable pain in humans (such as broken bones or major abdominal surgery, just to pick two random examples.)

Over on the Pet Connection, there's a discussion of this case and the issues flowing from it that you might find interesting:
http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/10/25/do-co...

Lis October 30th, 2007 01:08:00 PM

Eeesh - Lis, that guy Bernie is making no sense at all............I'm glad you stayed the course! If there's one thing I have no patience for, it's people who talk about how divided this country is and then proceed tolabel and categorize subject matter to make a point. It's so simplistic. Everything must have a category (Red/Blue, City/Rural....) or else it's just 'too hard' to talk about.

AmyinSomerville October 30th, 2007 01:30:00 PM

It is well known thta animals tend to maks illnesses and injuries in order not to appear vulnerable. But I'm not sure we can say this is becuae they feel the pain but pretend not to or wheterh natural selection has favored those individuals will a very high pain threshold. I suspect it is the later - doesn't mean pain medication is not appropriate in many situations, but probably not as often or as long as the average person.

But it is often difficult to tell when an animal is in pain because they may not show it the same way we do. I had a dog who had a slab fracture of a back molar. It wasn't identified until he had a dental checkup with a certified veterinary dentist (his regular vet hadn't caught it though he had early checkups). He was about eight years old and had slowed down considerably - I thought it was normal aging. After having a root canal on the affected tooth the difference in his behavior was remarkable - he acted like a much younger dog.

Linda H October 30th, 2007 02:27:00 PM

Tracey: Too true on the pain and activity thing. Problem is, I hate to know that there's a possibility of pain and that the dog's just too big a spaz to medicate it. As you point out, if you give him pain relief he'll work through that splint in no time--or bound everywhere on it like it's not even there. I use an awful lot of sedatives in these cases--along with pain meds. I think it all comes back to when I was a kid and no one ever gave me anything more than Tylenol for my broken arm. Sure I was a trooper. Everyone said they couldn't believe I'd broken my arm--I was so quiet about my pain. Years later, all I remember is how horribly I suffered--for days. I don't wish that on anyone. Conseqently, I think, I'm tough on pain in practice.

Dr. Patty Khuly October 30th, 2007 02:36:00 PM

It used to be believed that human infants and small children didn't need pain relief, for much the same reason--they didn't show it like adults did for the same injuries, so they must not be feeling it. More recently, though, real studies of infants and pain relief have found that infants given pain relief for injuries and surgical procedures heal faster than infants who are not given pain relief.

Lis October 30th, 2007 05:14:00 PM

In one of my classes this semester(AS in veterinary technology), one of the areas we focused on was the fact that the CNS in dogs and cats is very similar to that of humans and their brains register painful stimuli in the same manner that ours do. The use of subjects other than humans to test the effectiveness of new pain meds in their preliminary stages of development would also seem to lend itself to this idea, would it not?

Aren't veterinarians required to obtain a certain number of CE credits each yeat like veterinary technicians are, or does it vary by state? It seems like pain management would be an area that was focused on, as pain is not conducive to optimal healing in both animals and humans, which we touched on this semester as well.

Brian Hewitt October 30th, 2007 07:56:00 PM

Lis: I'm familiar with some of these studies. Even more scary than the studies that demonstrate more rapid healing when kids are dosed with pain meds are those that show increased mortality (as in death) in babies not given pain meds. Imagine open heart surgery without a pain protocol--we used to do it in infants. No wonder so many died.

Dr. Patty Khuly October 31st, 2007 07:13:00 AM

Two things:

As a practicing veterinary surgeon, I feel it is cruel and infantile to try to use pain as a restraining agent postoperatively (and I treat several broken legs a week, 52 weeks a year). The notion that a little pain serves its purpose is false, and is a mentality that deserves to be tossed on the trashheap of history, right along with bloodletting. The stoicism of animals in no way diminishes the magnitude of their suffering. All of our biological knowledge shows that all higher animals (and, frankly, most lower animals as well) feel the same pain pathways, and pain has just as significant deleterious effects as it does in humans. This means injuries and illnesses hurt, and they hurt for more than a few hours, and not treating the pain is as cruel as waterboarding.

Expanding on the studies in children and pain. Before the 80s, certain open-chest surgeries were performed in day-old infants, without significant pain control medications. These children showed mortality rates of 25-30%. None of these children showed signs of pain, so were not treated. One group decided to start treating the children for pain anyway, and found the mortality rate dropped to less than 5%. The conclusion: 25% of children were dying of pain - and without showing any signs. Our pets are the same. I gurantee that a large proportion of the "anesthetic deaths" veterinarians see are not "reactions" to anesthesia, but inadequate pain controll that leads to their dying the same was as those children did: of pain.

The second thing: the American Animal Hospital Association has developed Pain Management Guidlines for Dogs and Cats, you can find it on their website: https://secure.aahanet.org/eweb/startpage.aspx?sit...

M October 31st, 2007 12:54:00 PM

Excellent points, M, but I understand the jury's still out on waterboarding--in legal terms, that is.

I'd like to add another link to your AAHA guidelines. The American Association of Feline Practiitoners also just came up with a list of guidelines:
http://www.aafponline.org/resources/practice_guide...

If that's what it takes to get docs on board with pain meds than that's exactly what this profession is going to make sure they get.

Dr. Patty Khuly October 31st, 2007 03:46:00 PM

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