Vet School 101 Ears, ears, ears…will they never heal? (Chronic otitis externa in pets)

October 30th, 2007  

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Ugh, ear infections! My mother adopted a dog that has recurrent fungal infections in her ears, and now that the dog's care is beyond my mother's ability, this (13-year-old) dog is now living with us, she's still having troubles. It doesn't help that the poor dog has a canine packmate who, when he's not trying to hump her, wants to lick the infected ear constantly--and often just after my sister-in-law applies the medication.

*sigh*

On the dog's next trip to the vet (which is next week), we're going to get a babushka head wrap or something for her, so the medicine has a chance to work.

JaneA October 30th, 2007 08:56:00 AM

I'm a tech that spent two years working for a board certified veterinary dermatologist. If it is any consolation, we had a hard time convincing clients to treat properly as well. Admittedly it can be quite overwhelming--we send owners home with bags full of pills, ointments, and liquids, discharge instructions that are 3-5 pages long, and a whopping estimate for a myringotomy.

Robyn October 30th, 2007 09:03:00 AM

icky, ear infections. I got my dog from our local SPCA and when I took her to the vet two days later we discovered the smell coming from her was her ears. Now I have to put cotton in her ears for bath time (she's still stinky ^-^) and clean them out every week or so. I have the medicine too, so if that tell a tale smell comes back I can save the trip to the vet and just dose her with that. So far we've been alright and there hasn't been a relapse at all (two months and counting)

Chanin October 30th, 2007 11:16:00 AM

I've got a Westie with this chronic condition, and it. Is. Frustrating. I check her ears daily and clean weekly, but often if I don't see or smell anything and she's not scratching at them, I leave it alone. It will come back every few months, and I haul her to the vet for some pills and an exasperated look from her vet. I'm not certain what I should be doing other than this, because the idea of cleaning her ears every day seems excessive, given the delicate, homeostatic environment that's in her lil' bat ears.

Her vet has recommonded daily Benadryls since it appears to be allergy-related, but again - if her ears look and smell clean, I hesitate to administer. I guess the best thing to do is just keep an eye on her.

I'm a good pet owner, honest! :) It's just tough to keep on top of this problem when it sneaks up on me after months of no problems. Which suggests to me that it's NOT allergy-related...what to do...what to do?

Shasta October 30th, 2007 11:23:00 AM

Shasta, allergies can be seasonal, and multiple. This always complicates the issue of detecting which allergen your dog has.

I have a cat with multiple allergies. I have multiple allergies. It isn't fun figuring out between us what we are reacting to environmentally, or what she reacts to via food or water. So far if we keep her off all grains, she doesn't get the huge sores. But we never did figure out my other cat's allergies and reason for her excessive grooming habit (for her, it's seasonal, every summer).

Georg October 30th, 2007 01:44:00 PM

Ditto Georg's comment. Westie + ears = allergy. While that's not always true, seasonal (inhalant) allergies are often notoriously intermittent. Check it out with your vet!

Dr. Patty Khuly October 30th, 2007 02:28:00 PM

I have heard of quite a few dogs whose ear infections cleared up after going on raw diets with no grains. When I started feeding raw I joined several email lists to get advice from experienced raw-feeders. What I found is that, like me, many owners started feeding raw because of chronic health problems that did not respond to treatment. There were many reports of dogs whose health improved dramatically, though it is not a cure-all. My dog had the thickest file at my vet's office when I started him on raw at age nine (not ear infections). After that he didn't need much more than checkups and he died at 13 1/2.

Linda H October 30th, 2007 02:35:00 PM

Linda H: Changing an animal's diet can have an amazing impact on his health--but it seems to have more to do with the change in the protein and carbohydrate mix and the quality of those ingredients, not whether the food is served raw or cooked (from what we know about immunology at the present time, anyway). Pets can become allergic to the proteins and carbs they're fed chronically. That's why dermatologists will often elect to use new protein and carb sources as part of the attack against allergies. Ears in this case clear up when they're no longer reacting to the ingredients that elicit a severe immune response.

Dr. Patty Khuly October 30th, 2007 03:59:00 PM

Nice blog,as always! I'll just add that the same concerns/complaint applies to earmites in kitties. Maybe it's not as chronic/recurrent as with dogs, but the level of owner concern is about the same. I certainly wasn't aware of the level of discomfort if not outright pain my cats were experiencing when a few of my cats had bouts of mites about ten years ago. (We've been mite-free ever since, thank goodness.)

Curiously, my own vet didn't educate me about my pet's discomfort at all and did not engage me to empathize with my own pet. But that was many years ago. I wonder what my experience would be like now?

Jeannie October 30th, 2007 04:58:00 PM

Dr. Khuly - I know many dogs do just fine on kibble. In the case of my dog he had always been on premium and super-premium foods. I tried many different diets over the years, always giving him time to adjust. I even did allergy panels and allergy shots, then an elimination diet, but he had one problem after another (staph infections, repeated skin problems, low thyroid, auto-immune problems, seizures, etc) until I completely eliminated all grains from his diet. Even his seizures went from occuring roughly every five weeks to once every five to six months (he was not on seizure medication).

Many raw feeders believe that 'live' enzymes are important. Enzymes are altered by cooking.

If raw and cooked are equal, I will stick with raw - it's easier, and the bones are an important part of the diet, plus they contribute to dental health. My current dogs are eight years old and two years old and have been fed raw all their lives. When I moved three years ago I took the then five-year old for a checkup in order to establish a relationship with our new vet. As she was going over him she asked if I brushed his teeth. I said no and she started to tell me about how important it is. I smiled and said, "look." She did and was so astonished she called her assistants in to look at what beautiful teeth he had. I had him in for his annual last week and she remarked he could be a poster boy for dental health. I do avoid what are known as recreational bones - the weight-bearing bones of ungulants, as they can crack teeth, though raw ones are less likely to do so than the cooked/sterilized ones sold in pet stores. I don't give cow hooves for the same reason.

I know most vets are reluctant to recommend raw diets and I can understand some of the reasons why. I know some raw-feeders are quite rabid about it. I'm not. I don't try to convert people, or tell them they are killing their dogs by feeding them kibble, but for me and for now, I'll stick with raw. It was a lot of work the first six months or so, but now I find it quite easy and not terribly time-consuming. Most important, my dogs are thriving.

Linda H October 30th, 2007 06:53:00 PM

After adopting Baxter, my hound/pointer mix, one of the main bits of information that kept staring me in the face as I researched the two breeds was the emphasis placed on keeping their ears clean and dry. I try and clean them once every two weeks and they still look brand new on the inside. It probably helps that when he runs around the yard like a dork, er, I mean like the wind, his ears tend to fold backward and stay "locked" in that position, so he does get ample air flow into his ear canal.

At the practice I work at, clients with long eared dogs tend to ignore the "keep 'em clean and dry" mantra and wind up trading a couple of minutes once every week or every couple of weeks for a 2x daily struggle to medicate their canine friends painful, irritated ears, then ask "what can I do to prevent this from happening again?" sheesh... It's frustrating to see these animals suffering when it is something that little, very little, effort would have prevented. Allergies, of course, are a different story.

PS. I realize that it is Pluto in your picture, but on your next trip to Disney could you see if they may need someone to fill in for Goofy when he goes on vacation? Baxter would be perfect for the part...wheneve I take him to work for me, someone always has to say something like"Oh boy, I'm gunna go fishun' with all my friends."

Poor Baxter, lol

Brian Hewitt October 30th, 2007 09:15:00 PM

Brian: Yep, we're supposed to do upwards of twenty-plus hours a year in CE coursework--but it's always in an area of our choosing (except for one course every two years in controlled drug handling).

As to Goofy, I promise to check on an available position when I next go to Orlando (in January for more of my CE credits). ;-)

Dr. Patty Khuly October 31st, 2007 07:48:00 AM

LindaH: I've heard the live enzyme theory and I'm excited to see how this pans out in research. In the meantime, I'm not at all aginast raw--not anymore, anyway, not as long as it's well handled. I cook for mine once a day and feed Solid Gold kibble for the other meal. I cook it because I'm not 100% comfortable with some of the meats I get (leftovers from the butcher's counter I then freeze). But I'm still careful about recommending raw as a cure-all. After all, my dogs are almost 100% perfect, too, (in spite of their allergic skin disease) now that they're on a super high-quality diet. I believe people should feed what works well over the long term for their dogs--within basic guidelines for food safety and basic nutrition.

Dr. Patty Khuly October 31st, 2007 07:56:00 AM

I had forgotten about the part of it being on a choice basis, and I can see where this Dr. wouldn't see the need to focus on pain management. I live in a rural area of Pennsylvania, but I work just across the border in New York State. The closest vet in PA is older, although probably not as old as the vet who had his license suspended, and is very old school. When Thurston, my domestic shorthair had teeth pulled due to resorptive lesions, he was sent home with pain meds and I can't imagine him being sent homewithout them in that situation. I wonder, however, if this was due to the fact that the Dr. who performed the surgery was much younger. Since they are a mixed practice, the owner was out doing "barn calls" that day. Had he been the surgeon, I have a feeling I may have had to ask for pain meds.

The practice I work at, however, is in a bustling little town an hour away from Cornell, where all of our veterinarians obtained their degrees. Hard to believe, but the drive between these practices is less than an hour and all of our patients have pain meds on board before hte procedure, during(if warranted or lengthy) and post-op. The lack of trauma and d pain usually lends itself to these animals being unaware that "something bad" happened to them while in our care, lol. As a result, we tend to se more patients returning for follow-up with wagging tails insteads tucked tails and flattened ears.

Thanks for keeping an eye out for Baxter. I know he wouldn't let them down!

Brian Hewitt October 31st, 2007 08:16:00 AM

Sorry for the bad typing above...not enough caffeine yet today.

Brian Hewitt October 31st, 2007 08:19:00 AM

Cyndi: I'm way into fatty acids. I try and push people in that direction whenever they're amenable. For some dogs, the improvements are minimal, though, and it's hard to convince people that they might be able to lessen the frequency of the episodes with daily administration of a simple supplement (don't ask me why, it seems like a no-brainer, especially when we have great evidence that it really works at the cellular level to mitigate inflammation).

Dr. Patty Khuly October 31st, 2007 08:34:00 AM

Brian: It seems I've led you astray...we're commenting on pain on the ear post. Sorry, all.

Dr. Patty Khuly October 31st, 2007 08:37:00 AM

I switched my ESS to Solid Gold in the wake of the Chinese pet food deal last year. I've been pretty happy with it. There are two different types of kibble that I get, the primary protein (and lipid) source of one of their formulations is medhaden fish meal. I went with this particular formulation mainly because I didn't want to deal with supplementing additional O3 in the diet. I've noticed an overall improvement in her appearance, but especially her skin/coat. I've only had to deal with one ear infection in the 2 years I've had her, which is probably just luck considering the breed. I do check her ears several times a week and keep them clean. Ialso think the better quality food is well worth the minimal added expense.

Chip October 31st, 2007 12:34:00 PM

Chip: I pay twice as much for my "Barking at the Moon" solid Gold than I did for Z/D! (and that's the retail price of Z/D I'm referring to). It's pricey! But I agree--I don't have to add more fatty acids, just the Glucosamine and chondroitin (which I never think gets dosed well in foods, anyway).

Dr. Patty Khuly October 31st, 2007 02:00:00 PM

We've had incredible success (I would say 75% reductions on average) simply cutting out the grains, greatly reducing the carbs, and adding a drying ear cleaner containing boric acid such as Gentian Ear Treatment by Urban Carnivore (nope, I don't work for them, I just use their product daily).

Our latest knock-you-over case was a cocker (10 years) whose had infections for 8 years. 6 years ago, ear canals on both sides were removed. The dog is now effectively deaf. Cycle seemed to be every 5-6 weeks. We switched to Orijen kibble (grain free, 70% meat) and added Gentian, and it's been five months and counting. It should be noted the dog showed no signs of allergies and both the old and new food are chicken based.

Honestly... just give it a try on a sampling of dogs. Say your 12 worst cases. What have you (they) got to lose? And trust me, when the problem all but goes away, you'll be forever known as SuperVet! (not that you aren't already!!!)

BTW, you may want to consider switching to another grain free kibble for your own guys. I've never been terribly impressed with the ingredients in Barking at the Moon... you could try Evo Red Meat, Instinct Turkey and Duck, Instinct Rabbit (my pick), Timberwolf Ocean Blue or Orijen 6 Fish (pick #2). Also, I'd be interested to know just what you pay for Z/D vs. BATM down in Miami... in Canada Z/D is about $80 for a medium bag, whereas the above foods range around the $40 mark.

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