Daily Vet Cancer schmancer and control freak self-control in vet medicine

October 4th, 2007  

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I lived with a breed that was noted for succumbing to osteosarcoma & I decided early on that since there's no cure for the disease at this point I wouldn't go with amputation/chemotherapy . I'd keep my dog as comfortable as possible & when that animal said it was time, I'd listen. Pursuing treatment for this disease is watching a dog die twice & I can't do it.

So I did the same with 3 greyhounds then decided it was time to switch from racing bred dogs to AKC greyhounds as they might be prone to bloat & torsion but not osteo. After a 5 year battle with chronic neuro Lyme, didn't my lovely male AKC greyhound succumb to ...osteo!

Although it's almost unheard of in AKC greyhounds & there was no osteo in his lines all the way back to his English heritate, Kelly had virtually no immune system left after years of pred. He looked at me one morning & told me it was time. I listened but it was the most devastating loss. I'd love to live long enough to see a real cure for osteosarcoma.

Ellie October 4th, 2007 09:10:00 AM

This is why my vet school's oncology team has weekly meetings with the vet school counselor... Cancer is so draining, I can't understand how they work with cancer patients all the time.

My secret weapon for school stress? It's not foolproof, but Winnie (my puppy) makes sure we take time to play every day. Without her, it would be so easy to get sucked into the minutia of vet school and forget why on earth I'm putting myself through the stress in the first place. Rolling around on the floor playing tug with a corgi is sort of like yoga, right?

Megan October 4th, 2007 09:13:00 AM

IMO- This post is not whiny. You've got alot on your plate in terms of handling sensitive issues with patients and clients and you've expressed your thoughts on these matters very well.

As for cancer in pets, unfortunately there is a good chance that most pet owners have had their run-in with this very issue at one time or another.

My personal experience with it has always been as long as the animal is comfortable and can still have a quality life for the most part, I make them as comfortable as possible even if it is just for two weeks like in Angel's case. Jinkx I managed to keep going for about a month and half before the decision was made to put her down. Both of them started dropping weight really fast towards the end and instead of waiting for them to start looking like walking skeletons, I had them put down before they reached that point. I remember clients doing that at the animal hospital and it always bothered me and it still does.

My vet has had to deal with cancer amongst her own pets and it did throw her for a loop. Atleast 2 of her 6 cats died of cancer, she lost her black lab to cancer, then lost her 6 month old yellow lab to brain cancer.

All of these cases took alittle piece of her heart with them, and she's still dealing with the remaining after effects. We were talking about this very issue last night as Tool needed his yearly physical and I mentioned to her about how Tool changed after Oreo died. He's a good boy and tolerates his new brother well, but he's certainly different than what he used to be. She told me that there is a good chance that maturity kicked in ( he's 4) and that she doesn't doubt that he may have changed in part after Oreo's death as she's seen changes within her own pets after a few rounds of "cluster deaths".

I hope you don't have to deal with cancer in your own pets, but if you should, I know you'll whatever you can for them and will do what is in their best interest.

Stacy October 4th, 2007 09:14:00 AM

I don't think you're whining at all. I have learned so much from your candid discourse about pet illness and death during the short month I've been reading this blog. It's helped me immensely with regard to understanding what I'll likely go through down the road with my dog. She is my first dog, only 5 years old and healthy as can be, and the control freak that I am, I'm already trying to plan and/or mitigate the emotional toll when she inevitably goes. (Talk about borrowing misery from tomorrow, but that's another line of thought.)

Anyway, it's helped me a great to read and understand what vets go through and what euthanasia's like for the pet. I honestly was more worried about it before I started reading your blog than I am now - even though I know more now about what it will be like, probably. So if you were "whining," believe me, it did some good for this reader.

Shasta October 4th, 2007 09:37:00 AM

I completely agree with the others - I don't see any whining going on here. All I see is a very caring and compassionate vet that wants what is best for her patients.

Please don't feel you have to moderate your views and feelings here. For those of us who aren't vets, I think the information you give us is extremely helpful - even when it's stressful or depressing! Kudos to you.

Dawn October 4th, 2007 10:11:00 AM

Yep, all my dogs (save one) have died of cancer while my cats have died of renal failure. I often like to say that if we're all lucky enough, our pets will live long enough to eventually die of cancer.

Dr. Patty Khuly October 4th, 2007 10:18:00 AM

Dealing with cancer is definitely one of the hardest part of any doctor's job... no matter whether you're a DVM or an MD. One of the hardest things for me when I was a tech was watching people wait too long to say good-bye to their pet. We humans do a very poor job of recognizing pain in animals even at the best of times and emotional denial makes it worse. Even when you honestly tell clients that their pet is in pain, since they don't see it they don't believe you. Of course, I'm as guilty as anyone... I can look back now and realize I waited too long with many of my pets.

The Morris Animal Foundation has started a campaign to cure cancer in dogs within the next 10 to 20 years: http://www.morrisanimalfoundation.org/k9_cancer

Barb October 4th, 2007 10:40:00 AM

Not at all whiny, and not at all control-freak either. I like it that my own vet has said in the past that - faced with the same call for her animals - she would go a specific route.

I don't know how any oncologist deals with their work - but I guess they should all be added to our prayers for taking on such a tough job.

jcat October 4th, 2007 12:07:00 PM

Not whiny at all.

Don forget about the non-medical people that have such an overwhelming emotional connection to their pets (and can't bear to make that decision on their own) that rely on the strength, experience, and sound judgement of their vets. I have relied on that in the past and have a friend on the way to the vet this morning that will need that strength and resolve. It's so hard to let them go, even if it is in their best interest. Some of us just can't find the strength and need the support of our Vet and techs......and I thank you for that!

Amy in Somerville October 4th, 2007 12:34:00 PM

And this is one of the reasons that, after working as a vet tech (ish) in high school, I decided that going on to actually be a vet was not for me! Having an owner ignore or deny and then leave their pet in pain while unable to do anything about it. That's why I think vets are such extaordinary people; to knowingly continue on in spite of the hard knocks they take. Chin up Dr. Khuly! There are lots of us out here that truly appreciate a vet that will look us in the eye and say 'If it were MY dog/cat'.

Cardimom October 4th, 2007 01:20:00 PM

I think we are lucky that in veterinary medicine we do have the option as to when we can end the suffering of terminally ill pets. It is not something that is usually possible in human medicine and that is where most people get their experience about death. That being said, like Cardimom, it is why I didn't become a vet and it is why I can't wait to get out of the veterinary field because it hits me emotionally on so many levels. I understand where people like the Siamese cat owner are coming from. I have done it and I knew better. I had a cat with vaccine-associated sarcoma back when they were making news. She lived 18 months after diagnosis, 2 of those months were because I was selfish. She stopped eating, she became jaundice. I took her to my regular vet, who I had worked for previously, and started her on antibiotics. I took her to work with me that night at the vet emergency clinic where the vet looked at me like I was nuts(did I really expect him to save this cat?), but he let me get fluids into her. I continued with SQ fluids and force-feeding and she rallied, I got to enjoy her for 2 more months. Then when it was time, I knew with all my heart it was and I was comfortable with the decision.

I do hope though that people take the time to enjoy their pets when they know they may have to make a decision at some point. I've met owners who seem to put their pet under a microscope watching for any change(is he breathing faster, I think he limped one time on that leg, etc...), calling the vet hospital several times a day, bringing the pet in for what turns out to be no reason. I worry that they will regret not taking that nice walk in the field or not sitting next to their pet and just petting them.

Dawn October 4th, 2007 01:51:00 PM

How do I deal with it? I remind myself that one of the great lessons we can learn from our pets is to live life in the moment.They have a great zest for life and great resilience in the face of disease and injury. Because life strives to live. At the same time they don't fear death. Perhaps the two go together.

I try to remember that how long they live isn't important to my dogs - whether it is a year or fifteen years is the same to them. What is important is HOW they live. I give them the best life I can - and it's a pretty good life, if I do say so myself :-) When it's time to let them go, it's not a tragedy to them, though it tears me to pieces. But that is my problem and I try not to let it be theirs.

This helps, but I still end up feeling guilty that I've waited too long - or I haven't waited long enough. But I think it is better if I don't wait long enough rather than waiting too long.

Linda H October 4th, 2007 03:09:00 PM

Dr. Patti... Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. I truly enjoy your blog - it's quite thought-provoking.

As a consumer of veterinary services, perhaps I have a different perspective on things as nebulous as prognoses and end-of-life decisions. I've had a number of vets of varying philosophies, abilities and diligence, not to mention abilities and even equipment. Unfortunately, among them I've also seen my share of incompetents, nincompoops and the horribly ignorant - would you believe a vet that has at least one male dog returned per week which was brought in for castration (with two fully-descended testicles) and sent home with one testicle still present? Or how about the vet to whom I brought my VSBDE (Very Special Best Dog Ever) for a recheck of a very inflamed injection site post-vaccination and who did not even do a simple aspiration to see what was going on before prescribing Prednisone and Rimadyl (turned out to be a serious infection - wrong treatment!). Or a horse which suffered multiple hairline fractures of the hock - vet A insists upon euthanasia, vet B says "kick her out to pasture - and NO anti-inflammatories!" Took Vet B's advice - horse recovered fully and soundly. Yes, the ringers are out there and in abundance!

I myself was once nearly killed in a hospital by a doctor who suspected I had a pulmonary embolism (which I did), but tested and treated me for everything BUT. I didn't start receiving anti-coagulants for nearly 3 weeks after I presented. My ex-husband went into shock after being withdrawn from years of Prednisone too quickly. Grandmother nearly killed in a hospital from a drug interaction.

Understanding that your clients may have walked the same path, is it any wonder that when we receive veterinary advice, we may view it as suggestion rather than Gospel? After what I've been through with both vets and medical doctors, you may count me among the masses who cast a hairy eyeball upon a vet or doctor I do not know and trust, and even those whom I do are subject to skepticism when presented with an ultimately fatal disease or a choice as final as euthanasia.

Add to that the wild card, which would be the population which have their egos so invested in their animals that admitting their illness is akin to admitting that they are faiures as owners, which is in most cases not true, but it is in their own minds. My mom is like that and it is utterly infuriating to deal with the resultant inertia. I'm almost certain they didn't teach you about *them* in vet school. So, in many cases it isn't about you - it's about them.

My advice: be wise, be right, be straight with people and write everything down for them. Persevere, and understand that the human being is the most emotionally screwed up creature in the animal kingdom. Be glad you didn't choose human psychology as a profession!

Tracy D October 5th, 2007 12:30:00 PM

I had my 10 year old cat euthanized last January as soon as he was diagnosed with squamous cell carcinoma on his jaw. I just didn't want him to suffer, and I felt like the treatment options (surgery, pain medication, whatever) would be more for my sake than his.

Diane October 5th, 2007 05:11:00 PM

Patty, this post truly tugged at my heart and I thank you for your perspective. Some years ago my 13 year old cat succumbed to cancer, but not until after spending a fortune for what proved to be futile treatment. At the end I reached down to pick her up by the scruff of her neck and her skin tore open to the fascia. There was no bleeding, just a clear view of muscle. When I took her to my vet of many years to have her euthanized, she said "I can sew this back up." She was not thinking clearly. The deed was done, my furball died purring in my arms.

This was a life lesson for me, a realization of how hard it is to let go...not only for the personally involved, but for the health care professional as well. It took my a long time to get another pet but I am resolved in a decision that next time I am faced with such a hopeless prognosis I will turn to comfort measures and earlier letting go. The real shame, I think, is that human medicine gives no such choices. Nothing lasts forever and sometimes letting go is the kindest act.

Anne October 6th, 2007 03:39:00 PM

If this were whiny [in my opinion it's not] then I'd say, "whine on". Maybe [unlikely?] some of your more difficult owners might read and think about their lack of availability, for instance. That's unconscionable.

Diana October 7th, 2007 10:26:00 AM

My cat was recently diagnosed with bone cancer. The hospital for special surgery told me that with radiation every day for three weeks, his life expectancy might be 3-9 months; possibly a year and that he would lose his vision. The cost was also $6,000. We decided that the quality of life would not be what we would want for our cat so we opted out of the radiation therapy. MY goal is to keep the cat as comfortable as I can until we have to make that difficult decision of putting him down. If the doctor had told me that with radiation your cat could live a few more years, I would have found a way to pay for the threatment.

Bonnie Radafshar November 30th, 2007 11:22:00 AM

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