Vet P.O.V. Killer cocktails and dubious distinctions in veterinary medicine

November 10th, 2007  

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For some reason I was having a hard time posting my comment on yesterday's entry (I wasn't ignoring you guys for your criticisms (yes, I know a cube has six sides--silly me). Do any of you have this issue from time to time?

Dr. Patty Khuly November 10th, 2007 11:59:00 AM

Great article, I agree with both of your conclusions. In the UK, a select committee (discussive cross-party groups part of Parliament who try to investigate both sides of an issue) looking into assisted dying (for humans) has been in discussions with the British Veterinary Association, looking at the welfare issues and implications for patient and clinician.

Sian November 10th, 2007 12:02:00 PM

When I heard the NPR report about painful executions, I wondered why the executions weren't using the same type of drugs that vets use. It just seemed absurd that there was a model for humane lethal injection that was used for one species and not another. Several months ago, there was a local radio piece about a shelter director who saw his mother go through a painful and prolonged death, and wished he could give her as dignified an end of life as he gave his animals.

In re: to your posting, yes, I've sometimes posted and not seen my comment appear. I figured my post was not deemed worthy!;-)

lin November 10th, 2007 10:33:00 PM

Lin: I don't censor. Seems I've got a bad bug in my blog.

Dr. Patty Khuly November 11th, 2007 01:37:00 AM

Question,.. in the AVM article itstates that captive bolt is demmed by the AVM to be a satisfactory euthanization procedure...
In what case would this be appropriate (I'm somewhat repelled)..

Jenn November 11th, 2007 06:08:00 AM

Jenn- the captive bolt method is usually reserved for farm animals butchered for meat. As you may imagine it would not be healthy for people (or other animals ) to consume meat contaminated with lethal drugs.

Meghan RAHT November 11th, 2007 12:04:00 PM

Another part of the human lethal-injection debate seems to revolve around the problems of venous access. This baffles me completely. A half-decent anesthesiologist or ER doc can stick a central line into a subclavian, EJ or IJ in about 5 minutes flat (faster if strict aseptic technique wasn't a factor- I mean, what's the point?). Most good surgical PA's can probably do the same, and with a little training and experience my grandmother could do it. What kind of lame-o has to do a venous cut-down anymore? Even on guys with lousy veins, history of IV drug abuse etc. Get a decent line in place, check the placement and you're good to "go".

kate7047 November 11th, 2007 12:30:00 PM

Dr. Patty, yes I do sometimes have problems commenting - I'll write out a paragraph or so comment and "post" but then it never shows up on the page, after several refreshes. Sometimes I will re-write it but most of the time I just tend to let it go... :) Curious what software your blog is running and if there's any known issues with it.

Carissa November 11th, 2007 12:37:00 PM

Carissa: Predictably, I'm clueless on the tech side of this blog. I've heard lots of comment complaints, though. It's getting fixed this week if my tech guys are worth their salt.

Dr. Patty Khuly November 11th, 2007 04:01:00 PM

One part of the problem in California is that members of the medical profession - doctors and nurses - have elected not to assist in the state's lethal injection. At least one of the state courts has stipulated that medically trained personnel must be involved in the administration of the medications.

I am very thankful that my vets can compassionately assist my pets end of life when it is needed. If it were up to those persons who consider their pets "just a cat or dog" I am sure euthanasia wouldn't be a consideration.

Moira November 11th, 2007 08:51:00 PM

I regard humane pet euthasia to be the ultimate and intimate privelege and gift of the veterinary profession. Although as a pet owner, I often feel it is as hard on the professional as the pet owner, I have always thanked the attending veterinarian and given a small token gift in appreciation of the service.
This subject has sadly and unexpectedly derived a different meaning for me, having witnessed my own dog Pocket inhumanely euthanized with a toxic chemical on October 18,2006 here in NH, without informed consent or warning. It is very cruel indeed.

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