I love this Terrierman site. It pleases me to no end to see knowledgeability and common sense get play in the lay pet world in ways that explicitly encourage more of the same in others. That’s why a recent post defending up-front payments to vets while decrying the commercialization of the vet profession caught my eye and held it all the way through its winding argument.
So you know (in case you don’t already) up-front payments are getting to be the norm in the vet profession. No longer are many of us willing to wait for the end of an in-hospital treatment for payment. Too often we’ve found ourselves stiffed after our clients have racked up a sizable bill.
And that’s not cool. It stinks to have to suck up $1000 in services after working your butt off trying to fix someone’s pet. It makes us feel like we’re not worthy of your money; like you’d happily pay off your BestBuy credit card before handing us the cash we deserve. So we’ve started to put our foot down by asking for the payment up front.
I know that rankles a lot of you. It makes you feel like we don’t trust you. And you’d be right, in a general sense. We ask for your complete trust but we’re increasingly unwilling to reciprocate. And that has a way of breeding ill will between clients and vets.
In fact, every time I refer patients to specialists I’ve adopted the habit of informing their owners that they will be asked to pay for the amount of the estimate up front. That’s because 1-they have no direct relationship with you so they can’t possibly have complete faith in you based on a one hour relationship and 2-the dollar amounts tend to be much higher than ours—so should they miscalculate, they’d lose big. But my clients still get indignant over this practice (even though the back room of the speciality hospital houses several pets whose owners never paid or came back to get them).
So here' s where I explain: Pets are not like toaster ovens. Though they’re considered property in the eyes of the law, we can’t refuse you this kind of property should you fail to pay for its repairs at the end of the service period. Ever tried to get your watch from a jeweler without paying for that pricey overhaul? It’s a no go. Your pet, though? Come and get him. We won’t hold him hostage even if you are a deadbeat parent.
Truth is, if I’ve never met you, why should I effectively lend you money? In these cases, I ask for half up front. If I know you well, however, I’m willing to wait and rely on our relationship to bear fruit in the form of a payment for services rendered in good faith.
Nonetheless, this year our hospital racked up about $15,000 in receivables. That’s $15 K of pure profit that went right out the window when people didn’t own up to their side of the bargain. That’s a lot of money.
And these are not the no-pays you would expect. Imagine not paying your bill after a euthanasia house call (then refusing to answer your phone for months later). Imagine calling up AmEx to cancel your payment and making up a reason why you don’t think you should pay ("I didn’t OK those treatments, even though they saved my cat’s life"). Or how about crying poverty when your cat is blocked and then refusing to make the payments you promised? ($20 a week is doable for almost anyone, right?)
People suck sometimes.
I certainly never see holiday bonuses and those people are part of the reason why. Meanwhile, my other vet friends (whose hospitals require up-front payments) are happily expecting Christmastime cushions. Hmmmm…
As someone wise once said: We can typically afford anything we want. Problem is, we can’t always pay for everything we want. And asking for the cash up front ensures that less scrupulous pet owners don’t let other priorities get shoved in ahead of ours. That’s why we have to insult you by asking for the credit card before we do the work.
And that's why my New Year’s resolution will find me one notch harder-nosed on this score. At least Terrerman agrees with me on this one.
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Hi Dr. Patty!
Been a long time since I've posted (been busy with school and work) but I did want to make a quick note on this particular topic.
I completely understand the position of a vet wanting up front payments but sometimes it is very diffcult for pet owners to do this. I wish there was just some way to maybe charge 60% up front plus a 5 or 10& convenience fee for being allowed to bill the rest. If the pet owner signs a legal document, I think this would make it easier on both the pet owner and the vet. I know when my pets have been sick, a $1,000 bill in my face is quite difficult to swallow. Even having a few hundred shaved off of it and added to my bill to be paid within 60 days would have been a huge relief.
(And yes! I do pay my vet bills on time...I've been known to part with money for stuff I didn't even understand..like fungal tests that weren't even necessary.) I think pet owners just don't have the money right up front all the time. Kinda like when something bad happens to you car and you can't pay for it on the spot!
Hope you're having a good holiday season!
Wendy
Wendy December 19th, 2007 12:08:00 PM
I'm right there with ya! I feed alley cats with better morals than some people. Don't feel bad though because I'm sure they aren't paying their Best Buy bill either because they can always file bankruptcy, sheesh. How about the clients, are they even clients if they don't pay?, that leave the animal for treatment and don't ever return? Unbelievable.
Jules December 19th, 2007 12:10:00 PM
What about long time reliable clients? As someone who has a great relationship with her vets and how has been a client for over 12 years sometimes I resent being lumped with the rest. I had an unexpected vet bill recently and they made me fill out a payment agreement for the bill even though I have always been to the letter in the past. (a timing issue pay wise) They even refer clients to me. I thought it was pretty odd. (but I like them so forgave the slight)
I decided I am going to start depositing a set amount to my vet monthly so I have a cushion right there I can count on. Instead of having the money in savings, it will be on their books for me to use as credit should I need it for future emergencies.
Marie December 19th, 2007 12:11:00 PM
I guess I really just don't understand why people would even think that vet's should have to postpone payment on services. No other business does it or they wouldn't be able to survive. If you don't have savings, thats what credit cards are for, imo.
Jules December 19th, 2007 12:18:00 PM
Marie: We have always allowed some clients to make payments. If they've always paid in a reasonable amount of time, the courtesy is extended again. The problem is that it takes a lot of trust these days to extend this credit. Multiply that amount by the 500 highest bills in the year and a few are bound to disappoint you. It doesn't take long before the hospital really starts to feel the pinch. The upshot is that it's increasingly difficult to balance the value of client goodwill with the stress of not being paid. After all, our bills (to the drug companies, cremation service, landlord, etc.) still have to be paid on time.
Dr. Patty Khuly December 19th, 2007 12:21:00 PM
Interesting timing for this post.
I went dropped by my vets' today to pick up some medical supplies for my CRF cat, and happened to arrive when they where having the weekly staff meeting.
I wanted to turn back, but the practice owner invited me in, so while I got my stuff I couldn't help but to overhear the meeting.
And guess what they where talking about? Yup, revenue, client non-payment and client discounts.
Am in Israel, so this seems to be a global problem.
For the record, this isn't the cheapest clinic around, but they have been more then fair to me with charging. I mentioned in the past how they surprised me on occasion not charging for services I expected to pay for.
I wonder if the clinics here will start asking for payment up front.
Xslf December 19th, 2007 12:42:00 PM
To Wendy's point: Legal documents are all well and good, but they do not help with collecting the money. I have been involved with more collection and court cases than I want to remember and you might win the judgement (the client rarely shows up) but actually collecting the money is another issue all together.
I have known veterinarians who have used accounts receivable personnel who would get arrest warrants for the clients who didn't pay....
Tomcat1765 December 19th, 2007 01:04:00 PM
Dunno about you, but I really really get tired of being proclaimed a thief when what *I* think I am doing is solving problems (that people voluntarily bring to me) to the best of my ability. My ability cost me 10 years of my life and $100,000 to acquire. Consequently, I am nearly 40 and still living in rental housing because I can't afford a house payment AND a student loan at the same time (though happily, the light is on at the end of THAT tunnel) I drive a car with 200,000 miles on it because I cannot afford to live in the rental housing that is convenient to my job. I give my cell number to select clients with animals that have big problems so they can contact me when I am on vacation, or in the middle of the night, if they want to--and they want to because they trust my word more than the emergency clinic (though if I ask them to go if needed, they will do so) Why is my time worth so much less than a webmaster or a banker or an insurance salesman?
I find that A LOT of the time, the money issue can be headed off if you are willing to go and talk to the client about what you plan on doing. In as much detail as they need/want. Explain that the reason we are able to keep that warm and friendly staff who is handling their pets is because we pay them well enough--I am sure we could pay minimum wage, but often, you get what you pay for, and if the local fast food chains are paying more than minimum, why would someone off the street want to do the very physical labor of working in a vet hospital for less than what it is to shovel French fries? Why is their time worth less?
If this guy wants to recommend people give their own vaccines, that's great--who is picking up the pieces if they have an acute and devastating vaccine reaction? Is the Terrierman going to give step by step instructions for that too? Does he really understand that a lot of the people we deal with are not really prepared to do that sort of thing? What if someone gets bitten doing this?
I spend a fair amount of time discussing money. I hate doing it. I have no business background, and I don't want one. However, if I don't have a frank discussion with a client about what things cost and why we are recommending what we are recommending I can totally understand it if someone were to think that I were "bill padding" by recommending taking chest films on that seemingly OK beagle who had a run in with the UPS truck this afternoon. If we had not caught that pneumothorax, I could have said "Sure he's fine!" and when he was dead the next day been looking at a malpractice case (and one that I would have absolutely deserved.) Its great to say you're doing to much, but its far worse to say you didn't do enough when you absolutely should have.
DrSteggy December 19th, 2007 01:39:00 PM
I am going to start saving a small amount of money each month to my cat's care as well. Sometimes its hard to scrimp and save while working full time and in graduate school. I have VPI for my cats through work - its a total of $50 a month for the best plan that they have. That money just slips out of my paycheck without my even noticing it. When I take them for their annual exams, that money goes on my bank card because it doesn't really add up to that much of a loss. But, I do need to start putting away $30 - $50 a month for the vet bills as my "cats just ain't gettin any younger!". No doubt, owning pets, particularly as they age, is not a cheap venture! I'm doing everything that I can to keep them healthy and now I need to start thinking about their futures as well. So, thanks for the reminder :)
As for discussing money issues up front, as hard as it is for a pet owner to swallow huge bills, I'd rahter know what it will cost me from rubber gloves, to guaze, to medication to get my baby feeling better before I start any type of care. I would more than likely still end up paying whatever it is that I owe, but it would help me to be able to better appreciate the cost all together!
Wendy December 19th, 2007 01:56:00 PM
I have to admit that I laughed at Terrierman's point that plumbers get paid well because they work with dirty stuff, and all vets have to do is put a shot into a perfectly primped and clean pet.
Er... anal glands? Abscesses? Greyhound dentals? Bot flies? 15 year old Cocker spaniels?
I've smelled way nastier things coming out of a pet than out of a toilet.
Megan December 19th, 2007 02:38:00 PM
One point to consider, which makes this whole situation just that much more sticky: veterinarians face very large liability issues in picking and choosing who are their good longstanding clients whom they can extend credit to, and those they don't know, don't trust and won't extend credit to. That action can set a veterinarian up for a very nasty discrimination lawsuit. If they deny credit to someone, the burden of proof lies with the veterinarian that they did not use criteria such as race, gender, marital status, etc, etc, etc. to make the credit decision. Even if you win the suit, you'll spend a few years of your life battling it.
The safe bet is to make it a company policy: credit for everyone, or credit for no one.
Don't shoot the messenger, blame the litigious legal system we hold so dear.
Marc December 19th, 2007 02:49:00 PM
*puts down her sandwich to laugh at Marc's comments* True...very true!
Wendy December 19th, 2007 03:44:00 PM
Megan: Sure, there were some pretty funny points made in that post of Terrierman's. I tried to comment on it but somehow it didn't show up (I don't think he censored it, though).
To his post (for those of you that clicked the link and read it).
In general I have to agree that its annoying to see vet medicine go the way of the Gordon Geckoes of this world, but I don't think we're anywhere near seeing that level of greed in most practices. Mostly, we vets just want to earn a living that reflects our investment (like DrSteggy said), is on par with other similar professions (perhaps to confirm that what we do is important), and makes us happy. There's nothing nefarious about that.
And to DrSteggy: The at-home, non-vet healthcare Terrierman advocates may well work in his favor but you're right, most people have no inclination or aptitude for that level of care--and (in his defense) neither do they have a brood of accident-prone dogs to contend with.
Dr. Patty Khuly December 19th, 2007 04:26:00 PM
Some vets give a quote before beginning anything major, which is a great idea. Or signs in the surgery with the cost of a single appointment not counting medications. Anyway, a quote tells you what to expect, and you can decide to go ahead with it, see another vet, not proceed with it, or arrange payment.
Multiple methods of payment are good too - eftpos, credit card, direct debit, cash, all accepted. Make it as easy as possible to pay.
Robin December 19th, 2007 07:08:00 PM
I am totally in favor of up front payments,(or maybe sometimes partial up-front payments.) I just arranged some plastics for moi (it IS SoFla after all!) Human surg gets 100% fee up front. Also recently signed contract to replace leaky 30 year old windows with new hurricane impact windows. Contractor got 40% at signing, 50% on completion and final 10% once final inspection is passed. These are all reasonable. So your up front fee is too.
kate7047 December 19th, 2007 10:22:00 PM
That is really crappy what some people do.
And then there's people that won't bring their animals in at all because they don't have (or don't want to spend-these are the worst) the money. You always have to allow for veterinary visits, especially the emergencies. I have been going to my vet for years and have multiple animals so I am there frequently (I can be a hypochondriac about my animals, so my vet loves me). I've never been extended credit, though I've never asked. I have overheard other clients making payments on their accounts. This year has been a little rough with my husband starting a new business, so I have had to tell my vet that my funds are limited a couple of times and she tries to make it more affordable for me which I appreciate, and sometimes they'll throw something in and not charge me which is very nice. But I wouldn't dream of not paying in full at the end of the visit. They still ask me for half if I drop off for surgeries and dentals though, which I don't mind doing, but sometimes I wonder why they wouldn't trust me after all this time, but I understand that they can't (shouldn't) pick and choose who they take a deposit from.
And yes, signed estimates are a good idea before anything is done, so that would help if someone tries to dispute the charges with a credit card company, and you'll have their signature authorizing the treatments.
Pam Holt December 20th, 2007 05:14:00 AM
There is a website { I can't remember what the address is} that has a simple moto: Can't afford the vet, can't afford the pet.
I usually get clobbered by people that do rescue work when I say that as they seem to feel they are somehow exempt from paying for something they do on a voluntary basis. Regardlless of the finger wagging and name calliing, my attitude hasn't changed.
Breeders are not any better. One woman I called before we got Ella tried to convince me that her 4 month old Jack's were worth $700.00. I wouldn't pay $700.00 for any dog, never mind one that is 4 months old. When I told her "No Thanks" she went on a huge rant about vet bills and how expensive her hobby was. I gave her credit for atleast admitting that breeding Jack's was a hobby but that was all I gave her credit for.
My vet does things like sends me a bill when I have to have somebody put down. There have been other times when I've needed something and she'd pulled it off the shelf for me knowing that I'd be in to get it and take care of the bill then.
For all other services such as yearly exams, vaccines, ect...I always pay for those before leaving the office. She's never required me to pay for something that is estimated up front as she doesn't have a reason to. I always make sure she is paid in full, so if she took her mistrust out on me because a certain group of people screwed her over, I'd be rather insulted and irritated about it. In the the 10 or so years I've been her client I've never screwed her out of a dime, so she has no reason not to trust me. When Angel had her intestinal resection x2 I did pay for those over time but the bill was paid in full. It took me a couple of months but my paycheck went towards the bill every week.
I'm not arguing your point by any means. But if you do have clients that have never avoided payment for your services, I hope you don't smack them with the verbal 2x4 as they're not the ones that need it. For those that have canceled payments, ect...show them were the door is and tell them not to come back.
Stacy December 20th, 2007 08:05:00 AM
One thing to bear in mind is that to pay a large bill I often need to kill off a term deposit account or move money from a savings account. So if it is a planned visit with a ball park quote ahead of time, fine. But in Emergency situation not everyone can pull out $1000 on the spot. A few hundred, certaonly, or a post-dated check....
emily December 20th, 2007 09:35:00 AM
Stacy, if you wouldn't pay $700 for any dog, then you deserve what you get. At $700, I can assure you that a responsible/reputable breeder incurs such expenses (stud fee, maybe even AI expenses, health clearances for parents, testing of the offspring, health care for bitch and litter, time spent properly socializing the litter -- and that on top of the time and money invested in getting out there and being involved in the breed so the best stud for that bitch could be found, expense involved in take backs and rehomes and time spent supporting owners after the puppy acquistition) that they are not making any money. Thus making it their "hobby." If you think whelping a litter is easy or for the uneducated or uninformed, go back and read all of Dr. K's blogs on the subject.
(I can't say if the breeder you talked was responsible/reputable or not, but you might want reconsider how you came across to her should you ever cross paths with a reputable breeder and are somehow convinced that you don't mind paying at least $700 for all that you would get in return.)
Get a dog from a real, live responsible/reputable breeder and you'll never consider any other way.
$700 is a pittance compared to the expense of a dog over it's lifetime, including vet expense. And that's what we're talking about here, isn't it? It kinda makes your first statement about costs ironic.
Deanna December 20th, 2007 10:56:00 AM
Something you might consider: when I brought my cat Vincent to the vet for fibrosarcoma, I was quoted $7-10,000. I knew I had room on my credit cards for some of that, but not all of it. They offered me financing (through Wells Fargo, but I 'm sure other companies do it too.) They billed me as they performed each procedure (radiation, surgery, etc.), so that I never had to see a bill for that huge lump sum. It gave me great peace of mind knowing that I didn't really have to deal with money at the time, just sign the paper and go home and take care of my sick kitty. I certainly never could have written the vet a check. As far as I'm concerned for $15,000 (he ended up needing more treatment) the 3 1/2 more years I got with Vincent was priceless. Offering a client a way to get extra credit might help ensure you get paid. I still have about $1500 left to pay on that account, but I know that if my new kitties get sick, that credit is still out there and can be used for them. It's like their own kitty credit card.
Riley & Tiki's Mom December 20th, 2007 11:20:00 AM
It puzzles me to repeatedly read thatpeople would be offended if their long term vet asked for up front payment but then go on to say that they have needed to make payments in the past. Whether or not you paid in full isn't the point, it is not the vet's responsibility to float you a loan for services that are already performed. If someone told me they needed to cut back or make payments you can bet I'd want to be paid up front.
Jules December 20th, 2007 11:40:00 AM
Deanna- I have no idea what you're talking about.
My point was all that person did was complain about her expensive hobby. If she didn't like the vet bills, she should stop being a a backyard breeder. Nothing more, nothing less. But since you feel the need to crawl up my backside about this, I once paid $900.00 for a German Shepard from a so-called "reputable" breeder and she was a nightmare. She has a bacterial infection on all four paws, a grade 2 heart murmur and hip dyplasia at 8 weeks of age. Yet some how because the dog came from champion lines that made the dog worth the money the breeder was asking for her. NOT! The so-called healthy puppy went back to the "reputable" breeder and I must have got what I paid for. A massive headache and a ton of vet bills that I never got the money back for. Never again!
I've owned dogs since I was 18. I'm fully aware of the vet expenses they come with. Maybe you'd like to call my vet and let her know what my beef is with breeders that do nothing but complain about their hobby. Oh wait, she has to deal with that on a regular basis so I guess calling her would be a moot as she too is all to aware of the very pet owners that Dr.Patty is referring to in her post... Meh!
Stacy December 20th, 2007 12:18:00 PM
Stacy, what kinds of health clearances did you see on the parents of that GSD pup with hip displasia, a heart murmur, and infected paws at eight weeks? When you visited the breeder beforehand (you did do that, right?) what were the conditions like? What did the contract say about health guarantees?
You did sign a contract, right? Right?
Because reputable breeders have contracts, they have health clearances on their breeding dogs--and for German Shepherds, that definitely includes OFA certificates, they welcome serious puppy buyers to visit and see where and how their dogs live and their puppies are raised. And "health clearances" isn't a report from their vet on the dog's latest annual exam.
If your poor pup's breeder didn't have these things, she was not a reputable breeder, and "champion lines" means nothing. In fact, bragging about "champion lines"--rather than the pup's own parents actually being champions--is generally the sign of a BYB or puppy miller.
The fact that you got rooked by a BYB doesn't mean there are no reputable breeders; it means you didn't know what questions to ask to find a reputable breeder.
Lis December 20th, 2007 12:38:00 PM
p.s. I don't see what is unreasonable about a vet choosing to offer loan services for a product that costs about the same as a a used car. One can be an excellent pet owner without having 10,000 dollars just in 'walking around money'. For very high priced services this would seem an exvellent service.
I get that clients are stiffing vets. Vets also aren't always blameless. My current vet simply will not give a ballpark quote for routine services over the phone prior to my arrival or even a clear quote immediately prior to the procedure. Her grudgingly gievn immediate quotes are routinely out by over 75% even when what was done was exactly and precised what was agree to in advance half an hour before. Vets hsould be able to give quotes so clients can have their money available. And in emergencies I may need access to the internet to make the money appear.
Vet services are like other services, from both ends. Quotes and financing options are wise for the vendor just as prompt and agreeable payment is appropriate for the client.
emily December 20th, 2007 01:01:00 PM
I recently went to a new vet just for acupuncture services, but it's a general practice. On their initial intake forms, they require a credit card and authorization to bill for any unpaid services, along with the option to just have all services you receive automatically billed to the card. In this way they are protecting themselves AND at the same time providing a service that can make my life easier.
I have almost a 20 year relationship with my main vet, and as long as they don't make me pay before the vet actually sets eyes on my animal or lab results, as applicable, I'm fine with paying in advance.
One of my friend's vet has a program where if you prepay in January for the services you expect to use that year (annual exams, dentals, etc), you get a small discount on all services for the year. I WISH my vet did that, but she doesn't want the hassle.
Juli December 20th, 2007 05:49:00 PM
Emily: That's just not right on your vet's part. Estimates are essential. They're a basic part of the framework of trust we build with you every time we undertake a procedure or hospitalize a patient. You deserve better on that front. But if you believe in your vet enough to continue to see him/her in spite of it, he/she must be doing something right.
Dr. Patty Khuly December 21st, 2007 08:33:00 AM
(off topic)
Stacy -- I can see that you have no idea what I'm talking about because I'm sure that you've never actually come into contact with a responsible/reputable breeder. Did the GSD breeder give you a full health history on the dog's ancestors? Did they know the dogs "around" the dogs in the pedigree (siblings)? (Heck, did they know the dogs in the pedigree?) Do they keep tabs on the puppies they sell? Could you get references from other puppy buyers? Did you ask any of these questions?
Did you ask questions about health? That the dog came from champion lines is simply a random fact unless it is backed up with health histories as well as knowledge of trainability and conformation -- which is a HUGE problem in GSD's.
Any breeding is a bit of a crap-shoot; there are no guarantees. You are dealing with animals here, not a manufacturing assembly line. Problems do pop up. Was your dog an anomaly, or was there evidence of the problem in other dogs in and around the pedigree? (A health history would at least point you in the direction of answers.)
The reason most people don't know about responsible/reputable breeders is that there are few of them out there. (It sounds like even Dr. K has never encountered one.) As a dog owner, it takes some smarts, some digging and a lot of patience to find one and then even more patience to wait for a pup (they usually don't breed unless they have a waiting list for pups).
Add that all in to the cost of owning a dog. (Trying to get back on topic.)
Deanna December 21st, 2007 10:35:00 AM
Patty, you are right. I think my vet is very highly skilled in diagnosis and treatment. She just doesn't seem to think that 'the money side of things' has anything to do with her. sigh. These days I earn enough to let it go and just have a buffer. A few years ago that wasn't the case.
emily December 21st, 2007 12:49:00 PM
As far as I'm concerned, the vet can ask for the money up front, during, behind or never. As long as my babies are getting good treatment, I'll pay whenever they want me to.
Shasta December 21st, 2007 01:01:00 PM
Lol, Shasta I'm right there with ya!
Jules December 21st, 2007 01:27:00 PM
a year ago my cat got hurt the vet seen him right away and they let us pay the next week , which we did...two weeks ago i got a kitten from the shelter almost hundred dollars...it was worth it...after 4 days he started sneezing coughing running fever..so i took him to meet vet..and again it was in between paydays....he let us pay a week later which was this past wed. and it was paid in full and we were happy even though it was another 100 the kitten bounced right back...and he is happier than a lark. as luck would have it, my 2 year old male didnt look right...and then she started choking to death...hairball i thought....never came up...well by midnight i called m daughter and said please come get jake, hes choking..i gave her the last hundred bill i had and she ran him to over night emergency...she called when she got there and they ask my umpteen questions i said i dont know he is doing this horrific gagging, they went back in and took his temp it was 104 and they were getting ready to talk to my daughter and i heard do ou want the 300 plan ot 600 she said we only have 100 but will pay it next wed. they had already givien him a shot to calm him and get the fever down. and they the bill went as follows discounted exaM 69.VIS
zillys45 March 2nd, 2008 10:17:00 AM
KETOPROFEN INJ 30.10, DISCOUNTED EXAM- 69.90 , AND TOLD US TO TAKE HIM HOME IF WE DIDNT HAVE ANYMORE MONEY MADE SURE made sure when my daughter told them we had a 100 they wrote that bill right to take the whole hundred...they didnt do anything else but take his temp thats it..and ask me a ton of questions over phone. and guess what they never checked to see why he was gagging...could have looked in his mouth...well he came home and just horrible gagging and moving to listlessness, so he went back to our vet in am....they looked at him couple of minutes still not saying anything and said 500 up front...charged me 44.00 to tell me 500 upfront and charged me 44.00 on the estimate that says 500....he has an obstruction i can almost put my life on it..and guess what i didnt have 500 more this week will again on wed. and i have spent the last two night watching my cat slowly die and nothing i can do ...nothing. he is still running high fever and choking fierce, water chokes him....he is sleeping like a mangled pretzels and i can here some tiny wheeze moans and about the time he postions neckr right he jumps up in panic gagging and choking..i even took husbands oxygen hose and gave his some good puffs of it i cant believe my cat that was perfectly normal 4 days ago is dying and laying at my feet..heartbroke and discourgaed....yes i am ....cause i have done everything in good faith adn there are some of us who love our animals so much...why would we lie and not pay vet who will need time and time again...i am sick....i have all the bill and i have tons of picture of what is happening to my cat.....i am sick....just sick...
zillys45 March 2nd, 2008 10:34:00 AM
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