Vet P.O.V. "Breaking news" on the pet food recall rankles

December 2nd, 2007  

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Strong words, Dr. Patty... impressive, in fact. I'm uplifted to see that it's not simply the general public that is still truly outraged by this tragedy and the AVMA and CVMA's continued denial of the scope of the problem and its death toll.

There are some serious questions that still need honest and thorough answers. My guess is that we won't get them until more veterinarians begin to ask them. I never thought I'd live to see it, but in the past few months, I swear I can see this ball rolling...

Kudos to you once again, Dr. Patty. Thank you.

Kim December 2nd, 2007 03:22:00 PM

It seems to me that it would have been a good idea for you to learn more about the study before holding forth. It wasn't Michigan State that counted the "whopping" number of cases, it was a veterinary toxicologist working there who wrote up the AAVDL's data. (Lucky fellow, now there are ugly comments about him, his qualifications, and his motivations all over "pet loving" sites like one of the ones you link to at the end, thanks to irresponsible posts like yours here.)

What was this study reporting? Survey data that the US's main body for veterinary diagnostic laboratories collected from veterinary diagnostic labs regarding cases that those labs believed might have been examples of the food-related problem. The study was over-weighted for animals that had died, because samples from those animals were more "worked up" as the crisis went on than samples from animals that were recovering.

Why didn't the average Joe Veterinarian know about the survey? Because it wasn't a survey of average vets on the front line, it was a survey of diagnostic labs. Why didn't Joe Vet know about the survey if he had a mom and pop diagnostic lab as part of his practice? Perhaps because those kind of diagnostic labs have full plates and maybe don't read the emails from the AAVDL quite as thoroughly as big diagnostic labs that take in gazillions of samples.

What else was interesting in the survey?

* Toxicologists involved have some intriguing pointers to what actually killed the animals. That's interesting.

* With a great deal of data from individual animals in front of them, the AAVDL group was able to define what -was- a real case and what just kind of looked like one... which will be very useful for understanding what is happening if this type of kidney poisoning ever happens again. That's interesting, and handy too.

* And, even more interesting, this episode and the data collection for this survey served as a useful test run. Veterinary diagnostic labs are an important part of public health monitoring, and thanks to the experience of this episode AAVDL now has a better idea of which labs are responsive to calls for submission of the widely-dispersed data that has been collected (and thus of how to get the other labs on board).

I say three cheers for AAVDL, those who analyzed the data, and the people took the time to be make their data part of the study. And stern glances, again, for this blog, which sometimes would be better for taking the time to go through the facts rather than shooting from the hip.

Thing One December 3rd, 2007 09:11:00 AM

Sternness accepted gracefully, Thing One, but none of what you just referenced was included in the reports from the news media--I did read through the sparse info the AVMA suppled and incorrectly surmised that the referenced survey was aimed at veterinarians--which indirectly, of course, it was. I issue a mea culpa on that front but still have a great deal of concern as to how contradictory information has been supplied to all of us on this issue. The bottom line stands that...

1) The numbers reported represent only a fraction of potential cases (even if you ask those from the AAVDL).
2) The news media's misrepresentation of the facts in this case were directed by Michigan State's press releases.
3) No one from Michigan State has come forth (that I know of) to clarify these media misrepresentations (at least none of it has reached the mainstream media and that's what counts)
4) Sample error is still the underlying problem inherent in the study--which vet info was tapped, how it was tapped, how completely it was tapped...

Sure, we're gratified to know that someone is trying their best to find the root of this evil but these media reports have undermined our efforts to make sense of this mess.

Recall, Thing One, that I am no journalist (as you have repeatedly reminded me) so perhaps you can refrain from looking at my blog as anything more than my impressions (which I'm quick to point out with every post). I make no claims to take anything other than the vet on the ground's POV.

Dr. Patty Khuly December 3rd, 2007 11:53:00 AM

Dr. Patty:

Thank you for writing this article.....I am SO fed up with these numbers. What a joke these studies are. I think it just goes to show how much power & influence the PFI has to get this rot made public. And don't tell me that they aren't behind this study. I guess, because we are pet parents, we are stupid......well, we were once......we trusted the pet food companies & believed they were making a good product for our fur babies. Then came the black days of March & have since learned all their dirty little secrets. I would never again feed that garbage to my dog, never.

I know of people who lost animals long before March......perfectly healthy animals that just up & died. I mean who would ever suspect the food was poisoning them? We will never know the true count because I believe a lot of animals died before March & will never be counted......not to mention all these studies that report 16, 348.....whatever......not even close.

It's not bad enough that pet parents had to lose their beloved pets, now are struggling to pay their huge vet bills (not a lot of pet food companies out there are taking responsibility for their products & helping with these bills.....gee, what a surprise).......but now they have these foolish studies with extremely low numbers being shoved in their faces. This is just unbelievable.

Jan December 3rd, 2007 10:45:00 PM

ya know-regarding Thingone- I was always told if I didn't like what I was reading, just stop. That's all I'm gonna say about that.

About the under-reporting of the numbers..... all I can say is it's no suprise. This is the same government under the same pres whom regardless of what ALL his advisors tell him about Iran, still wants us to think they're MORE of a threat now.

SHEESH!

AGADORE'S MAMA December 5th, 2007 07:25:00 PM

"supposedly intelligent, statistics-savvy media folk fail to raise questions with stories like this?"

I hate to break it to you but none of the reporters I have ever talked to have had a strong math background - and even fewer know how to read statistics.

Science reporting is almost always bad reporting. The average journalist has taken no science classes and avoids anything technical for most of their schooling. It is a sad statement, but a true one.

Pax,

MLO

MLO December 6th, 2007 05:08:00 AM

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