Vet School 101 Canine Distemper Virus on the move…and jumping ship, too

December 29th, 2007  

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I doubt that it's fair to say there are no wild canids to transmit the virus to sea lions in California. Coyote are remarkably adaptable and quite adept at making their homes in suberbia, and more recently, urbania proper. http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/urban_coyotes_thriv...
Our own strays may be a major reservoir, but I'm sure the coyotes make their own contribution.

Why the three year minimum on vaccinations? Is there a way to find out the individual lifespan of each part of the combo vaccine? I thought the lepto portion was only effective for 6 months while the distemper and parvo may be effective for 3 years or more? I know rabies is currently undergoing 5 and 7 year challenge studies, it would be interesting to see the same done for the standard DHLPP-C.

lindabcs December 29th, 2007 10:45:00 PM

Lindabees: Thanks for your comment on the coyotes. Can you tell I'm an East Coast girl? As to the distemper and parvo, there's plenty of evidence that you get a minimum of three years on the vaccine we use (Pfizer's). We're hapy not to have to administer it every single year (for obvious reasons).

Dr. Patty Khuly December 30th, 2007 09:43:00 AM

What a strange article. It makes sense to me that coyotes could get it because they can be found living in suburban and rural areas. I have a pack of them that live in the power lines behind my house. I've never seen them come in close to the house, but then again, I have a 6 foot stockade fence surrounding my backyard, so I wouldn't see them anyway unless one becomes seriously ill and came out of hiding during the day.

Where would seals get it from? Yes they are carnivores, but their main diet is fish and it isn't as if they are out romping around amongst domestic dogs or packs of coyotes. Lions are another one that has me scratching my head. Lions in their own enviroment prey on deer and other animals are said not to be able to catch distemper, so what is the writer talking about?

Perhaps I'm overthinking the whole thing, but that article just struck me as somebody wanted to stir up a pot of issues that doesn't have any substance. Even in the case where a lion caught distemper, they failed to mention why and where the lion came from that was found.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/09/04090...

Stacy December 30th, 2007 10:08:00 AM

Stacy: I think everyone's still trying to make sense of this impact. It's clear that canids are reservoirs but no one's directly blaming us dog people for canine distemper virus in wildlife (not yet anyhow). We see how it makes its way to other popluations readily, but how did it get there? Considering that airborne transmission is the principal route among domesticated dogs, it's hard to imagine a coyote and a beagle sniffing the same air...but then I don't live near coyotes.

Dr. Patty Khuly December 30th, 2007 10:19:00 AM

Dr K,
I have lived in urban Southern California and have seen coyotes trotting down my street.

A woman that I buy goats milk from when I have a litter of puppies, told me that coyotes will go over her 6 foot fences and steal a kid(goat variety). She has lost many a kid that way.

I now live in a bit more rural part of So Cal and have had a coyote in my horse arena and standing in front of my chain link fences that keep my dogs safe. Makes me wonder how safe is safe. So, I think it is very possible for an unvaxed dog to pass distemper to the coyotes.

Setter Lover December 30th, 2007 11:41:00 AM

a FWIW--the canine distemper virus is also 100% fatal to ferrets, at least the type kept as pets. There is no cure for the disease for them, and euthanasia is recommended for affected animals.

And another FWIW--we've recently acquired a client with a dog who survived distemper as a pup, and has no enamel on her teeth. This client had her dog's teeth bonded (a 4 hour anesthetic procedure that required a veterinary dentist, and about 6 months of careful aftercare to protect the bonding...that will need to be repeated in 3 years) in order to prevent fracture/infection, but she did lose many teeth in the process. Its much more cost effective to vaccinate :P

DrSteggy December 30th, 2007 01:23:00 PM

Another FYI, to anyone who isn't aware of it--ferrets also catch CDV, and it is nearly always fatal.

I knew a researcher who studied packs of Cape Hunting Dogs in Africa, and her population got hit hard by CDV. So I suppose that's one way lions could come into contact with the disease, especially given the way that African predators will try to drive one another off kills. Perhaps hyenas are susceptible as well.

Here in metro Boston we have coyotes in most towns, even in the city itself.

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