Vet P.O.V. Lethal injection and pet euthanasia for NPR

January 10th, 2008  

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Dr. Kuhly,

Don't feel bad, I often feel my comments on this issue go unheard and my words simply redundant also. As a witness to the inhumane euthanasia for my own beloved pet "Pocket" via potassium chloride as SOLE agent of death, I feel competant to describe the cruelty of the method involved.

My personal New Hampshire campaign on this issue has been likened to the death penalty of human lethal injection and therefore confused in many a pet owner's mind. Some seem to forget that the first step of lethal injection is to hopefully render the human unconscious without feeling or perception.

Still, I will tirelessly speak out that both animals and humans are desrving of a humane and pain free death when a deliberate act is chosen to achieve it by professionals or society ie. lethal injection or euthanasia . http://walnut-hill.bravehost.com

Barbara A. Albright January 10th, 2008 09:56:00 AM

I'm glad you posted your comments here. Perhaps you could tailor it a bit and try to make it on the "This I Believe" segment? You really have a way with words.

Mary January 10th, 2008 03:38:00 PM

I second Mary's comments. Keep trying. I remember some years ago, Bob Garfield did a humorous piece about how many times he had to rewrite a commentary for NPR before it was accepted.

lin January 10th, 2008 08:38:00 PM

I guess I have alot more compassion for animals that I do for people that murdered somebody for no other reason than the fact that they could as I don't think those types of people are worth the gauze, rubbing alcohol or the needles they recieve. I think they should be dragged to town square and quartered.

If my homeowners insurance comapny thinks it's their given right to threaten me with canceling my policy for purchasing a dog breed from their "bad dog list" even though none of my dogs have ever bitten somebody, certainly the person that kills their children doesn't deserve a "peaceful" death. Todays example is no exception.... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/us/12bodies.html...

Stacy January 12th, 2008 08:30:00 AM

Stacy...not to point out the obvious, but not everyone that is put to death is guilty. As DNA testing improves and we can use science to be sure we have the correct person receiving the injection, the rate of error should be greatly reduced. A few years back, maybe longer(time flies), I watched a special about innocent people who were on death row. Only through confessions and DNA evidence were they spared an unjust execution. Now, just imagine these people had been executed via less than humane means and nobody cared because they were "the scum of the earth," but they were actually innocent. Now imagine that one of these people were you father, mother, or brother. This is why even humans being euthanized for their crimes deserve a death that is as pain free as possible unless there is a 100% foolproof way to know that they are, in fact, guilty of the crime they are being punished for.

Not to rant, but sometimes the case isn't as cut and dry as the one that you linked to.

Brian Hewitt January 14th, 2008 10:47:00 AM

I want to know, which is more humane:

One shot of sleep away, or

A shot of telazol, followed by the pink juice,(pentobarb?)

The latter is how the vets euthed the last two pets we euthed, and I was very disturbed to learn that the telazol burns. It upset the dog. Also, it made my cat very rigid, which disturbed me greatly. Somehow this was more traumatic for me than the time the vet just gave the one shot to my previous cat that I had to euth due to end state kidney failure.

I was real upset about the rigidity/immobility. You don't know what they are thinking, feeling. Also at the idea that it burns. It's bad enough to have to euth your pet, than to go to your own grave wondering if the method you chose caused him or her distress. It's been haunting me.

Stefani January 15th, 2008 12:09:00 AM

Brian- And not all Pitbulls, Mastiffs, Doberman Pinchers and German Shepards maul people, but the media, insurance companies and other like minded people want society to believe that they do.

A animal is guilty of doing something simple because they were born with certain DNA, but it's always different when it comes to dealing with people. A guilty person can sit on death row for a lifetime but if a person owns a German Shepard, they are deemed as a awful person that must be a drug dealer or just a bad person Blech

Double standards...what would this country do without them?

Stacy January 15th, 2008 07:40:00 AM

Stefani,

Prior to my Scottie "Pocket", all my companion pets were euthanized with Fatal Plus as the sole agent to end their life, except one. I had an elderly Scottie with advanced bone cancer that received a pre-tranquilizer intramuscularly before the IV injection, to enable proper placement of the Fatal plus in the vein. Despite discomfort of any of the injections (a needle is painful), I can rest and accept that they were humanely euthanized.

Pocket had an IV in place, there was no need for any tranquilizer, only the acceptable euthanasia solution. This did not happen, she died conscious to the end and experiencing the excrutiating pain that an overdose of potassium chloride would cause. Pet owners need to ask if the clinics possess the needed DEA schedule 11 license for this and other narcotics commonly used for pet procedures.

Barbara A. Albright January 15th, 2008 02:20:00 PM

Stefani: I use telazol IV--it doesn't burn that way. It shouldn't make a pet rigid either. Pliability and relaxation are the goals, which telazol accomplishes very well. Might they have used ketamine instead? It, too, burns, but nor should it IV.

Next time, ask for an IV catheter so that all the drugs can be administered that way and none have to go in the muscle. If a drug does have to be administered IM, a microdose of Domitor (medetomidine) should do it nicely and painlessly with no rigidity.

I don't like to use euthasol or fatal plus or sleepaway all by themselves. There's for jerkiness without that sense that there was ever a period of relaxation between life and death, as it were.

Dr. Patty Khuly January 15th, 2008 03:42:00 PM

"Brian- And not all Pitbulls, Mastiffs, Doberman Pinchers and German Shepards maul people, but the media, insurance companies and other like minded people want society to believe that they do.

A animal is guilty of doing something simple because they were born with certain DNA, but it's always different when it comes to dealing with people. A guilty person can sit on death row for a lifetime but if a person owns a German Shepard, they are deemed as a awful person that must be a drug dealer or just a bad person Blech

Double standards...what would this country do without them?"

hmm.... I guess I'm not sure how this applies to what I wrote, but ok???

Brian Hewitt January 15th, 2008 07:41:00 PM

As painful as it is to have to okay euth your pet, what a blessing it is to be able to make that choice. We are more humane to our pets than to people. In the case of humans, if it's wrong to kill why do we have state sanctioned killing?

Kathy Sloan January 16th, 2008 04:42:00 PM

Dr. Khuly,

Thank you for answering my question in your post. My kitty was euthanized at home, I thought that would be the least stressful for him, the vet definitely said the drug was telazol (subq), and my kitty got very rigid after that shot. Also, her dog got telazol (subq), according to the vet. He did yelp like it burned, but he didn't get rigid.

I am trying to decide whether to home euth my mothers old Yorkie, who I now have in my house but he is not long for this world. He gets very nervous at the vets, he's blind and deaf and he can just smell the smells and he gets all agitated. I would prefer not to put him through that, but I am also always afraid that in a home euth, there will be trouble getting a vein, or something. I have a friend who had a very traumatic experience with a home euth.

Really torn on this one. For a home euth, would domitor be a thing to use also?

Stef

Stefani January 19th, 2008 11:10:00 PM

Barbara, I read about Pocket. It broke my heart. I did not realize there were any places that still used that. Hopefully, your actions will put an end to that.

Stefani January 19th, 2008 11:11:00 PM

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