Vet School 101 Hypothyroid dreams for fat pets of all stripes

January 9th, 2008  

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I believe that hypothyroid in dogs is one of the most over diagnosed conditions. If the client are concerned they need to be educated on the different tests like T3, T4 and TSH before dispensing meds, imo.

Obesity is rampant in our society and unfortunately it seems that a majority of people have no concept of the amount of food/calories a body needs or an acceptable size and instead prefer to see their pets on the heavy side rather than a healthy lean. In the majority of cases, human or animal, its boils down to intake vs. output. Not rocket science. FWIW I had a dog with hypo-t and she was never overweight in fact chronic ear infections were the trigger that caused us to explore thryoid as a rule out.

Jules January 9th, 2008 09:11:00 AM

Jules: I, too, am hypothyroid and have never been overweight. I agree--t's a commonly misunderstood disease. Thanks for pointing that out.

Dr. Patty Khuly January 9th, 2008 09:25:00 AM

My dog was diagnosed with hypothyroidism a year or so ago. In the past two or three years, he had started slowing down a lot, losing hair, and gaining weight (not a lot but enough to show). My old vet didn't want to run any thyroid tests, and instead focused on him having a yeast infection. I turned to a natural pet store and gave him so many oils and supplements to deal with the yeast and his coat... no change. Finally, I got a new vet and they tested for his hypothyroidism right away. It was night and day once he started on the pills. I believe we've only ever had the TSH test done on him.

I agree with weight not necessarily being the main symptom. My sister and my mom also have hypothyroidism, and neither of them have ever been overweight. They were just tired and had lackluster hair.

Jen (SLC) January 9th, 2008 11:10:00 AM

I agree. I have had thyroid disease for almost 10 years now. It most likely went on much longer, but the actual tumor that resulted from the disease was diagnosed in 1997, resulting in a thyroidectomy in 2000. The true side effects of this disease are devastating, the most minor of which is weight gain/loss. I suffered from a severe heart condition, depression swings, early osteoporosis....the list goes on. I have to have my blood levels (TSH, T3 and T4) monitored every 6 months and bone scans once a year. Whenever I hear overweight people joke that they "wish they had an overactive thyroid" I roll my eyes and say to myself "maybe you should put down the banana split and take yourself and your chubby pup for a walk around the block"....lol......people look for excuses everywhere. I do it too, but I try never to do it with health issues.

Dr. Patty, will you be doing any posts on Hyperthroid disease in elderly cats anytime soon? My friend's cat, that is dear to me, is 19 and suffering the effects. I know they are doing everything they can to keep him comfortable and happy in his last years, but between that and the kidney disease....it's hard. Why is it so common in elderly cats? And is it always coupled with kidney disease? What little I've read online makes it seem very common.....just curious.

Amy in Somerville January 9th, 2008 11:35:00 AM

Amy: I've done a few posts on feline hyperthyroidism. Check them out via the search function. I promise I'll do another sometime soon.

Dr. Patty Khuly January 9th, 2008 12:10:00 PM

It gets pretty annoying when you have fit, muscular, lean pets and people gasp in horror and accuse you of starving your dog, asking ridiculous questions ("Do you feed her?!?!") while they stand there with their 200 pound Golden Retriever. I think people are just so used to seeing obese pets that they think it's how they are just supposed to look.

Carissa January 9th, 2008 12:18:00 PM

Then there are the vets who practically insist that there are NO hypothyroid dogs. I had a 10 year old dog who had weighed 16 lbs. for about 7 years. She got weepy eyes, then her tail started losing hair. Before I knew it, she had ballooned to 18 lbs. My vet was certain I must be feeding her too much. After 7 YEARS? I INSISTED a T4 be done - she was at the very bottom of the scale. I then had to insist she be put on thyroid medicine. Within a month (December, even. With all the extra treats that entails), her eyes were clearing, her weight was back to 16 lbs. and her hair was growing back. I got tired of arguing with that vet about treatment for my dogs. I have since moved to another vet who seems a bit more open-minded. I know how how many fat dogs there are. I do rescue and every owner turn in we get is overweight. BUT - sometimes there are other reasons for obesity in our pets other than a heavy hand with the food scoop and we need vets to be open minded about that. I do not expect a "magic pill" to make the weight go away (although I would take one for myself if it is ever invented! *LOL*) - just a vet who trusts my judgment about my pets (after being a client for 18 years - and having 4 different dogs go there) and wants to help find the best treatment for my dogs. Right now I have three of my own dogs, two forever fosters (one on prednisone for a skin condition), and a temporary foster and not one is overweight. But, if an older dog in my care suddenly gains weight, or gets a "rat tail", believe me, he is going to the vet for a T4.

Robin January 9th, 2008 03:31:00 PM

Pretty much all of the pet lists I'm on recommend that blood samples be sent to Dr. Jean Dodds at Hemopet to get a full 6 panel thyroid test done. Because she's done so much research on hypothyroidism, she even has lots of breed-specific data that she takes into account when interpreting the lab results. And since Hemopet is non-profit, it's relatively inexpensive for what you get (a full panel lab test plus interpretation of the results from an expert in the field). I know that if I were ever going to get a thyroid test done on my dog, I'd have the blood sent to Dr. Dodds, since I've heard of many false negatives with the more common 4 panel test done by most vets.

Janine January 9th, 2008 06:16:00 PM

I am so glad someone mentioned Dr. Dodds. She rocks.

Unfortunatly H thyroid is common in akitas. Not funny in a breed that can already have behavior issues that are tough on owners. I had one with it and he wasn't over weight either. Frequent ear infections and finally an uncharacteristic reaction to my daughter sent me looking for info. Thankfully I had a vet that listened to me and read my research on the behavior and thyroid link. He was on the meds for years with no more problems. (lived to 14)

I believe that Tufts university routinely does thyroid testing on all aggression cases that come their way now.

Overweight pets are a huge pet peeve of mine. You want to kill yourself with food go right ahead. Stop torturing your animals though please.

Marie January 9th, 2008 06:50:00 PM

Carissa, you aren't the only one who gets annoyed with people acting like you are starving your dog. I take my bluetick hound with me almost everywhere with me. He is very friendly, a love sponge to be exact, so we wind up interacting with a lot of people. Most think he is beautiful, but just the other day I heard the classic "you should feed him more to put some weight on him." When I replied that his body weight and condition was ideal, she said,"really, even though you can see his ribs?" He's a hound for crying out loud...if I put enough weight on him to make his ribs invisible, he would be sausage on stilts!

Since the food I feed him(found at the site linked to my name) only requires that I feed him 2.5 cups per day for his 63 pound body weight, even for his very active self, a doctor at the animal hospital I work at thought that wasn't couldn't be enough food for him(she feeds yuckanuba), so I asked he if she thought he was too thin and she said no, his weight is perfect. This was the middle of last year, so I asked her again the other day and her answer was the same, just as his diet has remained the same.

Anyway, while I hate the looks the people who think he's too thin give me, I take comfort in the knowledge that Baxter will live a long healthy life free of weight inflicted hip problems that plague so many animals too soon in their lives.

And heaven forbid if you suggest their little "tick with fur" is the least bit overweight, lol.

Brian Hewitt January 9th, 2008 07:23:00 PM

Please forgive the bad english in the above post; I was in such a hurry to get bad to "See Spot Run."

Brian Hewitt January 9th, 2008 07:25:00 PM

I had my Hound/Dane cross tested for thyroid problems back in July of 2007. I was working with a boarded behaviorist vet who suggested that before we tried anti-anxiety meds for his chronic anxiety (he was afraid of the sun, the yard, any kind of noise or sudden movement, all strangers.... practically everything) I should get his thyroid checked. I took him to my regular vet and he came back at the bottom of the T4 scale. My vet prescribed L-Thyroxine and my dog has never been the same since.

Almost all of his fears are gone, and they went away very quickly after starting his meds. His only fears now are men and loud noises, but those I can understand because of his background. He is 4 years old (I've had him for 10 months), he was never overweight, his skin was dry and he shed a lot, but adding Missing Link to his diet (Evo Red Meat) cleared that up before we went on meds.

I'm glad the behaviorist vet I was working with told me to test the thyroid - it is a lot easier to test his blood and monitor his T4/T3 than it would have been to put him on anti-anxiety meds.

Emily January 9th, 2008 09:30:00 PM

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