Vet P.O.V. Thoughts on the HSVMA-HSUS-AVAR Alphabet Soup

March 7th, 2008  

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Wayne is Peta through and through. He is just the yuppie nephew in a suit, his batty aunts at Peta dote on him.

The H$U$ is NOT a humane society the way most people interpret that term. What happened was that several years ago, about 12, the AR freaks bought up 3,000+ memberships in the original HSUS. They flew all these new members to the annual meeting and elected their own AR people to the BOD.

Make no mistake, the goal of the H$U$ is to eliminate domestic animal husbandry. Unfortunately, a lot of vets buy into the AR side of things - mass sterilization, the myth of overpopulation, restrictions on animal ownership, etc.

It is a fertile and naive ground for the AR movement. Vets had best wake up or they'll all be out of business.

Caveat March 7th, 2008 06:40:00 PM

I agree with everything you've said about PETA. However, I think you're being a little unfair to the HSUS. They have had some unfortunate stands on some issues in the past, but they have recently shown that they can change:

* I have read at least on petconnection.com, and possibly in Redemption, that although the HSUS did at first oppose all feral cat TNR, they have come around and now support it.

* On hsus.org I find links to information on how to adopt a dog from a responsible breeder. I'm guessing that if the HSUS in fact believed all breeders to be a bad thing, they wouldn't provide information to people about how to choose a good one.

That said, I'm still wary of both the HSUS and HSVMA. I'm hoping to wait and see what sort of stands the HSVMA take on various issues. But even if they do agree with me on every issue, I suspect I'll still disagree with their solutions. The HSUS has traditionally pushed for legislation to fix the problems that it perceives, instead of trying to find a real solution to why the problem exists in the first place. I don't think more legislation and more enforcement are the answer to inhumane treatment of factory-farmed animals; I think addressing the fact that there is a huge demand for cheap meat in America, and the fact that the USDA is actively making it difficult for small local farmers to survive, would be a lot more helpful.

It sounds like you're suggesting that the AVMA needs to change. That would be great, but I'm not sure how we go about making that happen. Maybe you're not blogging to vets, but I bet a lot of them read what you write. Do you have concrete suggestions for them?

As for HSVMA, maybe if vets join it now, while it's still finding its feet, they can influence the position it takes on various issues.

-Jessica, first year veterinary student

Jessica Hekman March 7th, 2008 07:51:00 PM

While I may agree with some positions held by HSUS I will never give them money or membershi. Supporting them even where we agree gives them credibility to advance their underlying agenda, which I adamantly oppose.

Linda H March 7th, 2008 08:34:00 PM

Indeed, the HSUS has reversed it's position on TNR in recent years:
http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our_pets...

If only they would get on board with no-kill. In time, they will.

John March 7th, 2008 09:58:00 PM

Dr. Khuly, You are right on point. I want to say "wake up and smell the coffee" to your AVMA. Reform within is desperately needed, no need to go extremist. How long did it take to "reform" vaccination protocol, and even then, there is only 'partial' reform---certainly not in the pets best interest, but to maintain a highly profitable practice. Who's fault is it, that the profession didn't see this coming over a decade ago?

Clients are becoming more informed and more interested in their pet's welfare and medical treatments---just as the vast population majority is finding with human care, entering their older years. With rising costs to the consumer/client, there has to be accountability for that price tag.

Mentality is changing in the breed world, following Europe's lead. Standards are being revised to accept "natural ears & tails".In the not so distant future, docking and cropping may become illegal because of "veterinary ethics" along with public opinion.

Barbara A. Albright March 7th, 2008 11:37:00 PM

So, why is there a naked person in the photo? Talk about abusive...

M March 8th, 2008 01:13:00 AM

Re:

"Do you have concrete suggestions for them?"

I have asked the same question here before. To those of you in the veterinary industry who agree that the AVMA does not reflect your views, BUT ALSO believe that AVAR/HSVMA do not reflect your views -- WHY DON'T YOU START YOUR OWN organization?

It is so easy to criticize things built by others, but if it bothers you that much, then DO something about it. BUILD SOMETHING you can believe in. Instead of just saying "None of the above."

Stefani March 9th, 2008 11:00:00 PM

Sefani: I still have hope for the AVMA. A lot. That may seem ridiculous to you, but I see the organization actually taking measures to address this issue--albeit very slowly.

In fact, the AVMA has unofficially contacted me and asked for a list of well-argued directives on the animal welfare points I believe are of concern. To that end, I'm preparing a letter I'll submit to JAVMA (Journal of the AVMA) and publish here for your consideration as well.

I agree--it's not enough to complain in private. I've also joined my local VMA as a board member (and recording secretary!). If it's my profession's organization I'll do my best to reform it in my own image if I can.

Dr. Patty Khuly March 10th, 2008 07:57:00 AM

Dr. Khuly, I am glad you are doing those things and wish you well. I hope you have many allies in that endeavor.

I have a sinking feeling, however, that it is going to take a generational die-off (accompanied by some gender balancing in the higher ranks) before those of you trying to change things from the inside actually see it move AVMA's official policy positions, which are generally what I find most shocking.

Of course, I was also shocked by the AVMA's choice of "shooting clays" as the primary group fun activity at last year's conference. I know they are not real birds, but faux hunting just didn't seem like an appropriate choice to me. Then again, it was right in character with their good ol boy image. When I think AVMA, in my minds eye, I see a 55-60 year old white guy in a stodgy suit with a smug and arrogant look on his face and possibly a lovely veal dish on his banquet table.

Stefani March 11th, 2008 03:56:00 PM

We have launched the Crusade Against HSUS+Pass It Forward. Why? Just look at petdefense (on wordpress) and the post HSUS Credibility sinking. The details of the KY case are shown. One doesn't need more than that to see if HSUS keeps going, we won't need VETS. Vets don't make much $ on altering.HSUS has escalated its Religion solicitation also.6-7 of 10 goals for hsus were all on companion animals. Wake up America.Please.Join the Crusade Against HSUS corporate.

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