Vet School 101 Happy belated April Fool's! Just don't mention the word "Greenies"

April 8th, 2008  

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I gave my dogs Greenies for years without incident, but discontinued when I read a second "web-warning". What do other readers feed for chews good for teeth??

Barbara A. Albright/New Hampshire April 8th, 2008 07:48:00 PM

My cat just loves chlorophyll-containing, toothbrush-shaped, injection-molded dental chew treats manufactured for cats.

Alex April 8th, 2008 07:50:00 PM

The safest edible chews I've found are either raw meaty bones (in a size appropriate for the dog or cat) or bully sticks - for those times you don't want your pet dragging a raw meat item around the house :-)
Both still require supervision of course... animals can break teeth or choke on bones, and although the bully sticks seem to be VERY safe -- even with my buzz-saw chewing crew they just shred off in tiny bits from the end and the stick doesn't get mushy so they can swallow it - once they've chewed it down to little piece that could be swallowed you have to pick them up.
And you have to watch the quality - get bully sticks that have been processed in the USA, without chemicals (most are just roasted). I've found good ones at e-petsboutique.com but if you do a search for "bully sticks" you'll find lots of vendors.

Barb April 8th, 2008 08:52:00 PM

To not include the name of the product seems like a serious oversight. I have written several scientific journal articles, and in the materials and methods section, indicated the manufacturer, product code, and state where it was made. This is important information for anyone who wants to replicate the study.
there is still arguement about raw bones- are they safe, dogs can still choke, vomit, get constipated / diarrhea, etc. But that said, I'm a huge fan of raw bones for my dogs, and cats. If you don't want the grossness in your house, put the pet in a crate with the bone.

Margaret April 8th, 2008 09:32:00 PM

A dental diet like Hill's T/D is good for the teeth if you or your pet doesn't care for chews, rawhides, etc...I give individual kibbles as treats.

anna April 9th, 2008 02:06:00 AM

Most holistic pet supply shops will sell (refrigerated) raw bones/knuckles for dogs to chew. These are also good for teeth, as well as being healthy dietary supplements. Marrow and meaty bits are all attached, and the dogs love them!

Pai April 9th, 2008 02:20:00 AM

Oh man.....I started giving Lottie Greenies again when they changed the formulas (if you put one in a cup of water, it will dissolve). She takes FOREVER to eat one (the "teenie" mind you) and often times carries it around hiding it and then re-hiding it before she eats it. She only gets one about once a week (we brush ehr teeth every night), but I'm thinking they may need to go altogether and she is already prone to gagging on just about everything.

Barb, what brand of Bullies do you get? I get mine from a pet boutique in town, but everything is displayed in glass jars, there's no "brand name".

Creature of Habit April 9th, 2008 08:46:00 AM

I think raw meaty bones are great. But I still wouldn't assume they're any more safe than a Greenie. Knowing your pet's chewing style and making sure it doesn't vary is key to knowing whether any of these methods is safe at all. T/D I like a lot, though. I've never heard of one getting "stuck." ;-)

Dr. Patty Khuly April 9th, 2008 08:52:00 AM

I don't give my dogs greenies, rawhides or pig ears for the reasons that you mention. It's easier to load up a appropiate sized Kong with peanut butter or treats and let them have at it.

Stacy April 9th, 2008 09:28:00 AM

If I read that paper, and missed the subscript, I would just assume that not all of the cases in the study were verified to be the specific product from the manufacturer. There are now similar items on the market. Plus, you never know what exactly is going to be in a medical record. Maybe some of the cases were a little vague on the brand.

Or maybe somewhere a scientific journal is getting sued for using the trademark name for some reason.

Otherwise, I don't know why you would use a citation to a reference to point out what you were studying in the paper. That's just being annoying.

Compcat April 9th, 2008 11:16:00 AM

Barbara, to answer your question we stick with edible raw meaty bones (note the phrase *meaty*... bare bones don't do much... and also note *edible*... soup bones and weight-baring bones are not offered around here), and bully sticks. For bully stick brands, I usually go with Red Barn... they are the least smelly bully stick I've found (seems they dry them vertically instead of horizontally), and they don't douse them in chemicals or bleach like some other companies do. Both dogs teeth have increased dramatically (I mean really dramatically... I was skeptical at first!) since changing 3/4 of their diet to raw, which is a double whammy because the teeth-cleaners double as their actual meal. I prefer using that over them ingesting anything with a lot of teeth-cleaning chemicals in it, but that's just me... if there's a non or low-chemical alternative to something with a similar end result I just tend to go that route, for both my dogs and myself personally. I guess kind of like using diluted vinegar and water to clean instead of drenching every surface in Clorox. I've never used Greenies so I really have no input on them either way but a few people I know who used to offer them regularly seem to have stopped since they heard of the deaths. However there is *nothing* in this world that is 100% safe and we are kidding ourselves if we think that everything we throw in our shopping cart should have no risks whatsoever - my dog could also rip up a play ball and choke and die on a piece... supervision is pretty much the key, I feel....

Carissa April 9th, 2008 01:08:00 PM

Carissa~ thanks for the Red barn tip!

Creature of Habit April 10th, 2008 08:47:00 AM

When I was an ICU tech working at a University Teaching Hospital in 2006 I saw a BIG breed of dog (a really really great dog too) with a horrific case of septic abdomen due to post intestinal resection and anastamosis for foreign body removal..and yep, lo and behold greenie clumps!! They had to go in on her 3 times I think and she died the 3rd time on the table....but for me never again will I feed my dogs greenies even if they are new and improved nowadays..... and yes, I do know it was more likely the complications of surgery that probably killed her and not the greenies but still as the pet owner how would you feel?? Possibly outraged that you yourself ultimately your own dog something that ended up killing it... still too sad for me as a previous LVT, current vet student and pet owner...i say no thanks and check out the many other dental products there are that are approved.. http://www.vohc.org/accepted_products.htm

just my 2 cents on greenies =)

Splenomegaly April 10th, 2008 07:01:00 PM

Addendum: Edit to insert---> Possibly outraged that you yourself ultimately FED your own dog something that ended up killing it

Splenomegaly April 10th, 2008 07:06:00 PM

Splenomegaly: Horrible experience--it would put me off Greenies forever, too. But how many other dental treats could theoretically occasion the same imtestinal horrors? Greenies are SO much more popular than all the others combined that it seems altogether too likely that these green creatures (obvious in the intestines unlike some of the others) are over-represented in the literature and pop culture sources. And Greenies are approved, too. The vet dental association sanctioned their use. I just think we should be careful in warning that ANY dental chew can do this...and a rawhide..and a toy...and...

Dr. Patty Khuly April 12th, 2008 09:37:00 AM

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