Vet P.O.V. Microchips in veterinary medicine…and in shelters…and in breeders’ hands

April 8th, 2008  

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microchip implants are as simple if not simpler than subcut fluids. I've done my dogs and a few of my cats before I began reading about the cancer controversy...
I'd rather pay my vet to do dentals and blood profiles not microchips.

LorriM April 8th, 2008 01:06:00 PM

I understand there's a few different brands of microchips out there, and if the reader is a different brand from your chip, the reader won't even pick up the chip as existing. If that's true, how do I know which brand to go with?

zandperl April 8th, 2008 01:11:00 PM

My boys are chipped (Lizzie isn't, yet, but will be soon). $20 and $35 at microchip clinics (one at a show, one to fundraise for a local rescue group) vs. $75 PLUS registration from my vet? I'd like to say I would do it anyway, but the reality is, I probably wouldn't- I'd probably get them tattoo'd instead (inner thigh)- it's cheaper, if slightly more traumatic.

All rescues that I place leave me microchipped now, and I know I couldn't do that without readily available clinics given here by the various rescue groups.

Cait April 8th, 2008 01:42:00 PM

I know that if Alfie had not been chipped at the shelter before I got him, I probably would not have bothered to have the vet do it. $30-40 for something that "might" work "if" he gets away from me? So I'm of the opinion that if this isn't a highly technical procedure, and it doesn't appear to be, I think shelters should be able to do it.

BTW, wrt vaccines, I've heard that vets are the only ones required do to the rabies shots; owners can buy the rest of the vaccines and administer themselves, correct? That would seem to be more risky than a simple "grain of rice" injection.

Shasta April 8th, 2008 01:56:00 PM

Hmm..

Our rescue buys it's own chips and implants them. if the owners move or fail to transfer or disappear, ultimately the company who sold us the chips will track us down. It is added insurance for the dogs and saves our not-for-profit charity a lot of money when you consider that since January 1st, we have processed 40 dogs.

I breed, on average, one litter per year. They go out on limited reg and with spay/neuter contracts and my contract requires the dog will be returned to me if for any reason the new owners cannot keep him or her. BUT I also bought my own chips for the same reasons as stated above. Those chips are registered to me as the original purchaser and provide a permanent link back to me.

I have never had a problem implanting the chips, my vet demonstrated how for me years ago.
Large animal owners are allowed to perform a variety of procedures, even expected to. Many on the ball small animal owners and rescuers can learn simple procedures.

I am also having trouble figuring out how a kitten was killed by a chip, unless it was not dine subcutaneously?

Jennifer J April 8th, 2008 02:45:00 PM

Dr. Khuly, were you referring to the kitten that was struggling during the implant procedure (probably because) the person was injecting it into its brain stem?

The story of that kitten haunts me. I once had an idiot nurse try to put an IV in my hand, and jam the needle into one of my metacarpals. It was excruciating. When I finally told the guy I think he had it wrong (What can I say? I have pretty high pain tolerance.), her removed it and my hand began to swell and turn green.

With that experience, I can only imagine how hard that little kitty must have been fighting to get away from the pain. And while I'm sure he/she didn't intend to harm it, I hope the person who killed the kitten is haunted by its excruciating death, too.

Marjorie April 8th, 2008 04:39:00 PM

How about a compromise? I'll preface this by apologizing for the grim comparison.

In my state, shelters have a limited DEA license that allows them to purchase euthanasia solution. Shelter workers can be trained and certified as euthanasia technicians which allows them to access the solution for performing euthanasias. Ordinary people (such as breeders, pet owners, etc) do not have access to this, but shelters do through a special license.

Couldn't they do the same thing with microchipping? Make it a rule that only vets and specially trained shelter workers are allowed to give them? I mean, it'd limit access, but if it's no microchips vs limited access to microchips, I'd take the latter.

Tara April 8th, 2008 07:10:00 PM

Tara, I echo your comment. Doesn't that serve the needs fairly for the two largest bodies to administer chips?
My only dog that is chipped is my youngest. It is a requirement in Canada for registration & sale. But I suspect it will be a requirement soon for the AKC, along with DNA profiles.
It would be my personal preference to have a veterinarian administer the implant, and I feel that way about vaccines too.

I must add a nit-picky point. Euthnasia solution requires a DEA Schedule 11 license, not a 'limited" license for "non-narcotics" such as antibiotics, prednisone, etc

Barbara A. Albright/New Hampshire April 8th, 2008 08:08:00 PM

Can I just say that I love that there are breeders out there who chip all their puppies and put their information on them. I wish that more breeders would be this responsible.

katie April 8th, 2008 09:06:00 PM

zandperl - it is true that some chips can only be read by proprietary scanners by way of encryption. The best way to make sure your pet's chip is the "right" one is to call surrounding shelters and clinics in your area and ask about the equipment they have on hand to scan pets and which chips they are able to read, in the hopes that your missing pet will be picked up in your area. There are also two types of chips available in terms of frequency - a 125 kHz and a newer 134 kHz. The 125 kHz is by far the most common except in Europe, where the 134 kHz prevails. It's possible to have both chips implanted - it will cost you about $30 at a local Banfield, and I'm sure they're available elsewhere, too.
I'm all for shelter workers implanting chips as they tend to have more training than your typical pet owner due to the nature of their work. They also have the appropriate needle waste receptacles, etc., and hopefully access to a veterinarian if something goes wrong.
I'm not sure about the general public being allowed to microchip though (I include breeders in this category b/c [no offense to you reputable breeders out there] anyone can call themselves a "breeder" just for having a knocked-up pet). The chips we use are contained in an 18-gauge needle - it's HUGE! I think an untrained person could DEFINITELY do some damage w/a needle that size, especially if they are not adept at restraining the pet, if they don't have someone to help restrain, or if the pet doesn't have much loose skin to work with. Maybe I'm just a weenie w/regards to the needle size, but I can envision lots of bruised, lacerated pets w/incorrectly placed chips if the general public is free to implant microchips.
I can't say I'd be terribly disappointed if, as a veterinary assistant, my microchipping privileges were revoked and only the doctor could chip patients... I hate, hate, hate chipping *shuddering as I visualize the needle*

anna April 9th, 2008 01:59:00 AM

Barbara - I understand that euthanasia solution is a schedule II substance. What I meant was that shelters here are licensed ONLY to purchase/use/etc euthanasia solution. Their license does not extend to other schedule II substances, meaning that they cannot purchase other anesthetic agents under the same schedule unless they have a vet licensed to do so at their facility. Sorry for the confusion!

Tara April 9th, 2008 05:31:00 AM

And I suppose I'll throw in this cautionary tale. ;-)

There have been some changes to microchips, over the past few years. I microchipped my (now 18-year-old) cat and (now 9-year-old) dog in 2000.

The chip company, PetNet (the most popular, if not maybe the only) one at the time, went out of business in 2004 (or 2005, I believe), and their database was transferred to another company.

I was never especially concerned about "needing" the chips, since...realistically...there were few scenarios where they were likely to come into play. (Maybe if we were in a car accident with the pets, and they ran off and/or we were killed? That's about the only plausible theory.)

So, when I moved, a little while later, I contacted the new company to update my contact information.

Lo and behold, they don't recognize my chip numbers. Since other companies will allow you to register your chips with them, too, I tried every one I could find. It was as though my chips (which were only about 6-years-old at the time) had become completely obsolete.

I asked my friend (a vet.) to verify the numbers using her scanner. She agreed the numbers were "strange" (but, then again, she hadn't personally been working with the 'older' chips).

With the help of a company representative, I was able to finally 'force' my pets' microchip numbers into their system. (I kept getting an error message that it wasn't a valid chip number.) So, hopefully, that registry will assist getting my pets back to me, should the need arise (...which was the whole point of having them implanted).

But my case brings up a lot of issues the microchip companies (and possibly federal agencies) need to address. All chips & scanners should be universal. The information related to the chip should be stored in some kind of secure database, that isn't wholly "owned" by any one company that could either keep the information from being found, or go out of business and lose that info. altogether.

Obviously, I can't implant newer chips because, should a scan come back with the old chip numbers, there's no protocol for a second scan looking for more chips.

It's frustrating, to say the least.

And not to be hysterical, but there is the old bugaboo of RFID microchips causing cancer in mice. ...Only a few anecdotal cases in dogs, though. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with microchipping, and would have to see some real science before I'd discourage anyone from doing it. But others might be more cautious...and, where microchipping is mandatory, that should be up to the owners.

Marmorie April 9th, 2008 07:55:00 AM

That's funny, because one of my vets HATES implanting chips, especially in pups and small dogs. That's a mighty big needle. And they once found a chip that had torpedoed across the exam room and landed in a wall cabinet -- no one knows how. That was a vet that tried to implant that one.

Back to the livestock thing again -- are these vets seriously suggesting that every horse, cow, sheep, llama, pig that has an ID chip implanted must have it done by a vet?

Are these vets all going to volunteer to go on down to the local shelter for free, every day, to chip the animals before they are adopted? No? They are going to *charge* for their time? Okay, then offer them a take-home bonus gift, a doggie bag with the corpses of the animals that could not be helped because of the shelter's sky-high "veterinary" costs.

I buy my chips (for pups and rescue dogs) in pre-loaded single-use syringes, direct from Avid, and the pre-paid registrations at the same time. I send the registrations in myself, with me as the first contact, the new owner as the second. Belt and suspenders; I'm not only the first contact on the registration, I'm in the manufacturer's dB as the buyer of the chips themselves.

H Houlahan April 9th, 2008 09:10:00 AM

If breeders could not implant chips into litters, mine wouldn't be chipped at all. I inquired on my 2006 litter about having the vet do it and the total was completely beyond my ability to pay - more than the price of a puppy. That's when I researched and found I could purchase the scanner, all needed chips plus extras and still save a significant amount. Made it do-able for me. My Vet was very displeased that I did them myself and when I brought pups in for health certificates, he sent an assistant in with a scanner to show me that mine "didn't work" while the receptionist lectured me about how 'you thought you could save money but really you accomplished nothing because those chips are unreadable". The scanner was not turned on. When I pointed this out, the assistant laughed, turned it on and it picked up every single chip. I never went back there again.

slt April 9th, 2008 09:44:00 AM

Marjorie: Yep. That's the one I was referring to. Apparently it occured in Palm Beach county but I still can't find a link to it. Still looking...

Dr. Patty Khuly April 9th, 2008 09:48:00 AM

Dr. Patty, you can find the story on VIN... the thread is called "Death by Microchip?!"

Megan April 9th, 2008 11:51:00 AM

Thanks Megan!

Dr. Patty Khuly April 10th, 2008 11:09:00 AM

my kitten died from microchipping- im totally against it.. something so simple and they injected it into the kittens spinal cord this all happened in my own home and the make matters worse i had 2 kittens brother and sister 15weeks old who loved to play together and now have 1 left who just keeps looking for him. The RSPC told me that microchipping is there company policy that all there kittens have to be chipped. i would never let my pet get microchipped again. Noone told me this could happen. i have many un answered questions and have never expericed anything like this in my life!

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