Vet School 101 Pet blood’s back-story and your potential donations...

April 16th, 2008  

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Don't animals experienced reduced blood flow to the kidneys under anesthesia? Can this have an effect if done that frequently over long periods?

Are they ever "retired" from the donatin program?

Stefani April 16th, 2008 04:16:00 PM

This is really interesting, and something I hadn't considered. I'll have to look into it in my area, to see if there's a place where I could bring my older dog for donations. She's such a trooper and is always so good for having her blood drawn -- apparently she's very easy to find a vein on, too.

Catsie April 16th, 2008 05:09:00 PM

Stefani: Only youngish, healthy dogs and cats can donate so animals are always retired after middle age. Heavy sedation or anesthesia is always a risk, of course. Dogs are almost never sedated for this procedure. Any dog that must be sedated is not good donor materia. It's the cats that seem to require it--but not always. Grumpy is just a lovable b----.

Dr. Patty Khuly April 16th, 2008 05:11:00 PM

I'm glad they retire them.

All of my female cats are too small to donate (under 10 lbs, really 9 on a good day) and would be too old anyway (middle aged at 8).

Only the male 1.5 yr old would even be a candidate. If he would do it w/o anesthesia, I'd be totally down. How long does it take?

Stefani April 16th, 2008 05:26:00 PM

My first retriever Ben spent a year of his life in a veterinary hospital, working as a blood donor. To the end of his life whenever approached with a needle, he would raise his head to give access to the vein. What a good boy he was. He came to me at age two, well socialized and good-natured from his year of service and happy to be retried.

Gina Spadafori April 16th, 2008 06:59:00 PM

It is even ethical to have an animal that will require anesthesia or restraints donate blood? After all, they cannot consent to the procedure. We justify surgery and other procedures on pets saying that it's something that they require to maintain their health, just like we justify such things on human children who also cannot give consent. However, we don't have human children donate blood. Donation is an elective procedure so cannot be justified by the animal's health, unless it's to be an auto-transfusion.

zandperl April 16th, 2008 07:02:00 PM

Dr. Khuly, Besides emergency trauma, what would the typical surgeries that require blood transfusions be? I know folks that have had a myriad of tissue & bone surgeries without need of blood and am so curious.

Excepting the horrid flea anemias----which are not common (that I've heard) in New England. And I noted the AIHA comment, what would be the PCV of Hct level to consider blood products for that syndrome?

This could be another whole blog!!

Barbara A. Albright/New Hampshire April 16th, 2008 07:48:00 PM

zandperl,
At the risk of sounding callous, animals are property not people. We also don't ask for their consent to be crated, leashed, fed funny pellets, castrated, trained, debarked or the myriad of other things we do for human convenience. In lieu of surgery we have the option of euthanasia for animals, which we don't have for children.

AdoptedAPBTs April 16th, 2008 08:06:00 PM

In the UCD blood donation program, they don't use dogs after they are 8. The blood from my dog Ukiah was taken from the neck--he was restrained by the tech (who also kept popping treats in his mouth), but there wasn't any anesthesia. The procedure took about 1/2 hour, and he is eligible to donate again in a month. There weren't any ill effects, though I kept him a bit quiet for a day or two (no playfighting with his sister since I didn't want to chance opening the wound) and I gave him a little extra food that night!

Arlene April 16th, 2008 09:04:00 PM

For Minnesotans, here's some information about your pet becoming blood donor at the U of MN vet school:

http://www.cvm.umn.edu/vmc/aboutvmc/blooddonor/

We also have blood donor greyhounds at the U (who get adopted out after a year or so of service).

Megan April 16th, 2008 09:17:00 PM

"And I noted the AIHA comment, what would be the PCV of Hct level to consider blood products for that syndrome?"

I was in the ER at the U when a dog came in after being diagnosed with IMHA at an emergency clinic. They caught it pretty early. His PCV when he came in wasn't bad- about 29%. They gave him a blood transfusion right away, but even so, by the next night his PCV was down to a scary 12%. He recovered after some more blood and some prednisone to suppress his immune system, but without blood, he definitely would have died.

Megan April 16th, 2008 09:39:00 PM

Why the restriction of never being pregnant? The princess fits all the other reuqirments but has had a litter, thus she can't help and she would be so good at it.

Regenia April 16th, 2008 10:20:00 PM

UCD told us it had something to do with hormonal effects on antibodies (if I understand that right!).

Arlene April 16th, 2008 11:29:00 PM

What a fascinating article. Can't believe i never thought about it before.

K9 Amiga April 17th, 2008 01:01:00 AM

AdoptedAPBTs:
Animals are not treated entirely as property. We're allowed to destroy or cut open our own property at will. We're allowed to even pour acid onto plants if we feel like it. We're not allowed to vivisection animals or make them drink gasoline, animal cruelty laws prevent this. In biological research it is considered ethical to have a review board look at any experiment you wish to perform upon animals and make sure it is done as humanely as possible. Animal testing has been reduced due to public demand.

My question is simply "where is the line between acceptable procedures and unacceptable procedures for animals?" We have clearly established this for humans, and for inanimate objects and plants, but we are more fuzzy about it for animals.

zandperl April 17th, 2008 08:31:00 AM

Zandperl and Adopted . . .

You raise interesting points.

I have ethical problems with the procedures done entirely for human convenience (debarking, declawing, cropping, etc).

However, you must admit that animals don't consent even to NEEDED, lifesaving procedures. Often they need to be sedated even for these -- does that mean those procedures should not be done?

This morning I gave fluids to my mom's elderly dog, and he most certainly did not consent. He was very unhappy about it. But his BUN is over 90 and he needs them to feel more comfortable.

So, they don't even consent -- and fight -- procedures done to help them. If we only did procedures to which they could "consent" we would never do anything for them, or practically nothing. Heck, they don't want me to BRUSH them. They aren't really capable of consent, because they don't understand why you are doing something.

I guess the giving blood thing is a little dicier. The idea of an animal being kept merely as a donor does bother me a little, although a lot of the misgiving is erased when I learn that they are retired. OTOH, it's a bit hypocritical of me -- I am exactly the kind of person who would want my pet to have a needed blood transfusion.

So, this post is making me consider the ethics of that. Should I offer up my young healthy male cat as a blood donor BECAUSE I know that if one of my cats needed blood, I would want it? Should I do it ONLY if he doesn't have to be anesthetized? Should I do it ONLY once, twice, for six months, a year?

Stefani April 17th, 2008 12:31:00 PM

From what I gather from the university vet websites, some places ask for a year commitment, donating blood every month or so, because of the expense of the screening and testing. Some of the non-university sites don't mention a time commitment.
Seems like most kitties have to be sedated for the same reason you don't see large numbers of therapy cats. Most cats don't take well to strange places, to being poked or prodded by strangers or being made to stay quietly for a period of time. This makes me wonder if show cats, who experience most of the above, would make good donors.
If you figure your cat is not suitable, or you don't want him/her sedated, but you support the program, you could always make a monetary donation.

lin April 17th, 2008 03:47:00 PM

Not too many years ago one of my greyhounds saved the life of another of my greyhounds. Smokey ruptured a mass on his spleen, had gone into shock & eventually had a splenectomy but when his hematocrit dropped, I brought Nikki to the hospital to give herlifesaving blood.

Ellie April 19th, 2008 08:10:00 PM

My dog donates at Penn :) It's my understanding that dogs there are never sedated to donate. If they would need sedation, they aren't considered. My guy loves going there though, because it means he leaves with treats and toys - and the techs are amazing and spoil him rotten! I would highly recommend it to anyone in the Philadelphia area that has a large dog.

Jessica April 21st, 2008 02:05:00 PM

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