Last I spoke of Metacam in any detail it was to describe how helpful the manufacturer (Boehringer-Ingelheim) was after one of my canine patients (allegedly) experienced an adverse reaction to it. The B-I folks rolled up their sleeves and helped out on this one.
Turns out it was a gall bladder problem my patient was suffering. Though it had absolutely zero to do with the Metacam (contrary to the owner’s fervent belief) the manufacturer paid for the diagnostics.
This time was different. The manufacturer need not have been consulted over the near-death of my feline Metacam recipient. After all, the drug did exactly what the company said it would…when administered incorrectly.
The near-deadly experience was an unfortunate misunderstanding of the garden variety, the kind that only occurs when stress mingles with the auditory senses to garble any meaning destined for delivery.
We vets expect that to occur, which is why we make several passes at communicating the most crucial information:
1-We lay it out in plain language in the exam room.
2-We highlight the key points with verbal exclamation points.
3-We write it down in the owner’s take-home instructions (on the invoice or a hand-written note).
4-If it’s a drug we’re talking about we write it again on the prescription label.
5-If there’s a serious caution involved, as with off-label drug use or side-effect prone meds, we’ll explicitly explain the drug’s approval status and describe the symptoms of a drug reaction in detail. I’ll even visually describe how the drug is to be administered with the dosing syringe or tablet in hand so I have personal confirmation of their understanding.
So here comes the story:
Despite checking off every point in this plan when I prescribed a low dose of oral Metacam (every three days) to a severely arthritic kitty (who was unhelped by other means) his mom didn’t hear me quite right. She gave the Metacam daily in spite of what I felt were fairly dire warnings.
When I called a few days later to see how the kitty was doing his owner gave glowing reviews to kitty’s performance—pain-wise. Did I think to ask how the meds were being administered? Nope…not that time. But I did ask her to dial down the dose if tolerably possible.
It was when she called back a week later with questions about an un-hungry cat that I knew we were in trouble. Turns out she was dosing him daily…until I asked her to relax it a bit (assuming she’d go from three days to four between doses, not from 24 to 36 hour intervals, as was the case). Two weeks of Metacam doses at least 36 hours apart. Ouch!
So sad… The bloodwork was depressingly indicative of kidney toxicity (typical for this non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug’s more long-term effects). Four days of hospitalization with full-throttle fluids and just-in-case stomach drugs have helped—but we’re still unsure of his ultimate outcome.
Depressing, right? …and nerve-racking , too. Though the kitty’s trouble is stressful enough, I also worried that I’d missed in my delivery of the crucial take-home points. If so I’d ultimately be responsible for his untimely demise…no two ways about it.
So for three sleepless nights in a row I took my memory through the five-point checklist above. I made sure I recalled verbalizing every single point. I think I remembered doing everything just right, though by this time my obsessiveness and its effect on my sleep/wake cycle might well have manufactured some conscience-easing memories. Who knows?
Nonetheless, I do know one thing: My next attempt at off-label drug use with an NSAID like Metacam will include a signature—the owner’s, explaining they comprehend the toxicity of the drug, know how to administer it and pledge to remain vigilant for its side effects.
No, it’s not because I’m a legal-minded vet afraid of being accused of wrongdoing. And no, it’s not because I don’t trust my clients. Instead, it’s a nod to my own fallibility as well as my clients.’ After all, we’re only human. Forgetting, not communicating well and/or not understanding something properly during an emotional moment is a veritable epidemic in healthcare settings. It could happen to anyone. I just don’t want it happening to me if I can help it.
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I think you're right, on that account. While I have no difficulty believing that you adequately explained the drug's contraindications and dosage, I'm equally sure the owner didn't intentionally mega-dose the cat in some twisted theory that more is better. Clearly, there was a misunderstanding, about which any honest person (you or owner) would consider his/her culpability.
I think a signed form is an excellent idea. Those kinds of things are usually borne of precisely these kinds of real-world miscommunications, in the hopes of preventing such incidents in the future. There is no nobler cause.
Marjorie June 10th, 2008 09:35:00 PM
I know this sounds snarky, but...wasn't it written on the label? I can understand mis-dosing once, and then double-checking the label - oops. But for two weeks? With it written on the label? The label affixed to the container from which you must administer the meds?
anna June 10th, 2008 10:43:00 PM
Considering we had an owner once call us back asking how in the heck she was supposed to get 6 Tums into her cat that was refusing to eat...no ....we said force feed your cat 6 TIMES a day....anything is possible.
Instructions on labels mean nothing to an owner if the they think they heard the vet say something different.
Valkyrie June 10th, 2008 10:51:00 PM
In the case of a med which needs to be given every three days you might need to write down the days of the week and dates on which it is to be given. It would be very easy for someone, particularly someone whose eyesight wasn't the best with small writing, to read "Every three days" as "Three times a day" on seeing the words "three" and "day".
I have heard of someone giving their dog ALL the Lysodren they had in the bottle because they thought they should give all the tablets like you should with antibiotics - not good! Clear written instructions are a must.
I always insist on getting written instructions if there is anything remotely irregular about the dosing or particularly risky with the med. I always refer to any written instructions I receive repeatedly even when I'm SURE of what I'm meant to do - I may be a little neurotic but......
Alison June 10th, 2008 11:49:00 PM
Stefani,
Every drug that we administer to our animals or ourselves has its own risks. In the case of this cat, Dr K specified that no other methods had been effective at reducing the arthritis pain for this particular case.
The risks for using this drug on your cat are too high for you yes, but if given a choice between a cat in chronic and unmanagable pain and trying this as a last resort, I would try the metacam.
Shannon June 11th, 2008 01:25:00 PM
Are there really any other options for cats with this type of chronic pain? I mean, if your options are let your cat suffer or use a medication that has a risk of side-effects in some cats... well, I'd go with the drugs.
katie June 11th, 2008 01:35:00 PM
When Raven was several months into Fibrosarcoma, the vet tried Metacam for his pain management. He had a severe reaction to the Metacam administered CORRECTLY. So I can see things getting very bad very quickly when given too much.
In Raven's case, we thought he was going to die that night. Seriously. I don't think we slept an hour that night. My husband and I kept checking on him to see if he was breathing. After the Metacam we didn't really have an options for pain management, so we opted to just make sure his quality of life was ok. He was with us for a couple months after that. For Raven, it wasn't a question of if the Metacam would damage his kidneys, etc. We already knew he had terminal cancer. :-(
Raven's Mom June 11th, 2008 04:18:00 PM
I should clarify that we were working very closely with our vet with the Metacam thing. I think I talked to her every day that week.
Raven's Mom June 11th, 2008 04:20:00 PM
My experience is non-existent when it comes to cats. My 2 lived long lives and were never given anything except clavamox (and "worming med" when young). I know that cats are sensitive to a lot of drugs, for instance, Baytril. Aren't there any safe medications? Aspirin in low dose?
In the last year, I have learned of two more YOUNG Scotties, misdiagnosed and given Rimydal---both dead within two weeks of liver failure (one was lyme positive).Yes, I have given NSAID's to three of my dogs,one short term and the two elderlys (now deceased) long term. BUT, not without being acutely aware of potentially serious reaction, weaned dosage down quickly & then intermittently, had good blood values (even at the end!!), and knew that time was limited and took the trade off.
Barbara A. Albright/New Hampshire June 11th, 2008 04:21:00 PM
Forget aspirin, read that possibly low doses of steroids & opiate derivatives are sometimes used.
Barbara A. Albright/New Hampshire June 11th, 2008 04:37:00 PM
Barbara,
I don't know about aspirin for pain control but my cat with hypertrophic cardiomyopothy is on 20 mg of aspirin twice a week as a blood thinner to prevent potential blood clots. From what I've read its also a very controversial drug to use in cats but Katie who has been in this particular med regimine since December is a new cat.
Shannon Ryan June 11th, 2008 10:19:00 PM
What you have said about metacam horrifies me. I had written instructions to give my cat Vincent metacam 3 times per day after his final fibrosarcoma surgery. I stopped giving it to him after a day and a half because it gave him horrible diarrhea. He later died of renal failure. It didn't happen right away, so I never made the connection until now. The vet tech explained it to me and gave me typed instructions. I know I did not mis-read the instructions. We had been treating his cancer for 3.5 years at that point, but this was the only time he was ever given metacam. I don't know what happened in your situation, but I think that vets should go over medication directions, not vet techs.
Riley & Tiki's Mom June 12th, 2008 01:10:00 PM
We use Metacam all the time in cats for post-op pain and inflammation. Yes, it is off-label, however, the benefits of the drug can far outweight the risks in many instances. While we rarely use the drug long term in cats, we have used it in palliative cancer and arthritis patients. (It is my understanding that in the UK Metacam has been OK'd for long term use in cats.) I have never seen any of these cats suffer GI or renal side effects.
ANY DRUG can have severe side effects in the right patient. If you look far and wide and at a large sampling of patients you WILL find stories of tragic and irreversible damage after the administration of a certain drug. That does not mean that the particular drug is dangerous in the other 99% of patients. For Pete's sake, the administration of Peanut Butter can have tragic consequences in the right circumstance!
Metacam is a great drug, and one of the safest NSAIDS available to veterinarians IMO. My own dog however tends to suffer mild GI upset when I give it to him. Should I give it to him chronically for his arthritis then? Absolutely not, obviously he would be better off on Rimadyl or Deramaxx.
Dr. K- have you tried Buprenex in the above mentioned patient? We have just started using it (we get it on emergency drug release as it is not available in Canada) and I have to say- I am a fan!
Meghan RAHT June 12th, 2008 08:16:00 PM
Meghan, I don't think a drug with this high of a percentage of adverse effects can be compared to peanut butter.
And although many of you have espoused the concept that metacam is a risk worth taking for cats in chronic pain, the fact is it is NOT the veterinarian or staff who should decide whethre it is a risk worth taking. ONLY the owner should decide that, and he or she can only make an informed decision if they are told that an ALARMINGLY HIGH percentage of cats (1/5th of the adverse reactions reported to FDA) have kidney toxicity. IF they are told that the manufacturer's insert says DO NOT USE in cats. Do these owners realize that their cat has a 1 in 5 chance of their kidneys going kaput on the stuff? If they don't understand that when they make the choice, then it isn't an informed decision, and the veterinarians personal philosophy about risk-benefit calculations isn't what should decide this. It's not their decision.
Stefani June 12th, 2008 10:01:00 PM
Shannon, I'm glad you posted about aspirin. Years ago, the NSAIDs weren't even available for animals! Back in the late 80's, I had a dog prescribed aspirin for his heart----and my goodness, human doctors still say the same for patients---to prevent platelet aggregation, but obviously it provides some pain relief also.
And I agree with Stefani completely. The owner has to weigh the risks and be completely aware and informed! If the drug is meant "long-term" to relieve pain, my personal decision for "my own" pet would be to wean down to the lowest effective dose that still appeared to work---not automatically stick with the original prescribed amount. (just as with a course of prednisone).
Megan, I understand your point that drugs have side effects and the intention is to combat a symptom. Believe me, as one who was intimately involved with a parent with stage 111B cancer for 5 years----drugs (over a dozen different) were the "only" option to combat symptoms, but not without a "price" attached, and not money. But when you personally know of 2 cases of young dogs----thrown a Rimydal "cure"----and DEAD of liver failure, something is terribly wrong!
Barbara A. Albright/New Hampshire June 12th, 2008 10:32:00 PM
This is the study citation I was looking for:
"The narrow safety margin in cats is reflected in the FDA’s
Adverse Drug Experience (ADE) reports4 for Metacam Oral,
which summarize drug side effects reported by veterinarians.
Of 842 reports for dogs, 19 cases of kidney failure and no
deaths were reported. However in 320 cats, 105 cases of
kidney failure, 48 deaths and 35 cases resulting in euthanasia
have been reported. This clearly indicates that Metacam poses
a much greater risk in cats than in dogs."
http://www.persiancats.org/nss-folder/filefolder/M...
That's actually 1/3rd=kidney failure!
Stefani Olsen June 12th, 2008 11:02:00 PM
Stefani: Your reference provides a great summary. But the risk for all off-label usage is not 33% kidney failure. The standard dosing is what will lead to such a high risk. It's important to give clients a choice...using the data for risks with daily dosing as a standard. Thanks for this document. I'll be using it.
Dr. Patty Khuly June 13th, 2008 09:44:00 AM
According to what I have read (and I spent a good 2 hours yesterday reading about Metacam), it's toxic when given at or above 0.3 mg/kg SID orally to cats. It appears much less toxic at doses of 0.1 mg/kg SID orally or lower and many cats have used it at very low doses for good long-term pain relief.
10 days oral dosing >0.3 mg/kg after initial injection shows toxicity
http://www.fda.gov/cvm/FOI/141-219s102804.pdf
appropriate (0.1 mg/kg or lower) doses are effective
http://www.apvma.gov.au/advice_summaries/41164.pdf...
an excellent summation of the risk analysis:
Use of NSAIDs (non steroidal anti inflammatory and pain relief drugs) Very few are licensed for use in the cat and none for long term use due to potential toxic effects.. However there is considerable data available and where obvious suffering is occurring and there is no obvious alternative your vet may discuss the judicial use of these drugs. If this is advised that occasionally they can cause stomach upsets and should be discontinued if vomiting, diarrhoea or loss of appetite occur. They should be used under very careful veterinary supervision if there is any suggestion of blood disorder, kidney, liver, heart disease or gastro-intestinal ulceration. Drug interactions can occur (e.g. with steroids). Given short term by injection but more normally by the oral route, with food.
from this site:
http://www.isabellevets.co.uk/health_advice/cat/in...
Also, I believe that the Federal Adverse Drug Report does not in any way reflect the number of animals treated who did NOT have side effects. It's totally erroneous to say that 1/3 of all cats given Metacam will die of kidney failure. The side effects, when they DO occur, appear to be more serious, which is probably why they get reported.
I would also posit that many cats with bad arthritis are 1) elderly and 2) have underlying disease factors and many of them would develop kidney failure at some point ANYWAY. It can be difficult to correctly attribute what may appear to be side effects to their actual cause. As Dr. K wrote in the beginning of the post, the supposed "metacam reaction" she reported to BI ended up having absolutely nothing to do with the medication...and yet the message that ultimately gets out is that "metacam caused this dog problems."
Erroneous side effect reporting (not directly linked to metacam and cats but I believe it can be extrapolated)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17033301?ordina...
cats and metacam: it works
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18440263?ordina...
cats and metacam 2 (small study)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17552444?ordina...
In conclusion (sorry this is so long, I have been stewing about this for a while!), while I do believe that owners should be informed of the risks of any and all medications prescribed to their pets, I do not believe that such risks should be presented as occurring more frequently than they actually do and that all non-"natural" drugs should be assumed to be bad and toxic. While the ultimate responsibility of giving any medication *correctly* falls upon the owner, I feel that a biased and one-sided Google effort will result in many pets suffering chronic pain unnecessarily.
PS: Metacam oral may not be approved for cats in the US, but then again MOST veterinary products are not officially approved. I believe that sevo and isofluorane are not approved, although they are safe and effective anesthesia agents. If you rely only on FDA-approved drugs with yearslong history, you could be depriving your pet of a treatment that would greatly improve its quality of life.
anonymous in boston June 13th, 2008 11:38:00 AM
thank you boston- for such a clear post.
Stefani- while I am sure that your numbers are accurate I just want to point out that you are looking ONLY at A group of patients that experienced adverse effects. Metacam is used in thousands of cats and dogs daily- so while your numbers appear alarming, they are not statisticaly significant.
Barb- while two sick dogs on Rimadyl is sad, I personally know hundereds of dogs and cats perscribed these drugs- and have yet to see a patient suffer a serious side effect.
Meghan RAHT June 13th, 2008 01:47:00 PM
Not to stir the pot but here's a quick update: My Metacam suffering kitty will be euthanized tomorrow. In spite of that, I do plan to use it in patients who really need it. And, of course, my clients will be informed of its risks even more carefully than before. Thanks, all! (btw, Boston, you're good--a special thanks).
Dr. Patty Khuly June 13th, 2008 01:54:00 PM
As a vet and an owner of a cat who had a Metacam reaction here are my thoughts. Just to give a little background...my cat suffered a disslocation of her metatarsal-tarsal joint in the area of the fourth and fifth metatarsals. (Word to the wise - when a fatter cat lands on a smaller one jumping off the bed; the smaller one is bound to suffer the consequences). She had to have a partial joint fusion and as part of her post op medication she was prescribed Metacam. I had used the drug in my own practice for many situations - more acute and occasional chronic, arthritic kitty. I had absolutely no problem using it in my own as she had a pretty major procedure and I wanted to alleviate as much pain as possible. To make a longer story shorter - she developed Acute Renal Failure (her BUN was in the 200s and her Creatinine was 12 or 13 something -- HIGH!) and I would say that she was dosed for about a week and then started to show signs about a week later. I was able to pull her out of it and other than being on a renal failure food as a mangement she is essentially back to normal values -- I believe last time I checked the creatinine it was like 2.3; so just a little high. I will not be using Metacam in her again (after her SECOND surgery on her foot in less than a year she got Bupernex for pain control), All this was back in 2006 and she is still with us and doing just fine. I would still use Metacam in my other cats as I would use it in other cases. Sometimes I think there is nothing better and if your owner is informed and aware then I don't see the problem. I believe that Metacam is labled for use in cats in the UK and even if it is not here - I know MANY people who use it. It is becoming more accepted - but vets just have to decide if the patient is a good candidate or not. I think that chronic pain control in cats is a hot button subject for any vet - we all would love the 'perfect' drug with no side effects, etc. But this doesn't even exist for dogs or people....so you just need to use common sense, COMMUNICATE and then I don't think you can go wrong. I do not wish for the untimely end for any cat or animal, however, sometimes it is about QUALITY of life as opposed to QUANTITY of life.
Jessica June 13th, 2008 07:56:00 PM
Thanks MeganRAHT and Dr. K. I learned a heck of a lot about Metacam this week!
I work for Big Pharma in research (non-animal) and at a local vet clinic on weekends. I'm one of those completely incompetant, unlicensed "techs" we should all be so concerned about, and not only do I give insulin injections, vaccinations, fluids, etc, but I actually draw blood on cats and dogs, read fecals and urinalysis, and generally do tons of things "only an LVT should do.*" My only qualifications are a BA in Biology and English, the full range of pre-med classes, and 5 years of experience at the clinic. I have a 2-year plan to retake a few classes so I can apply to vet school, but honestly reading some of the POVs here it makes me reevaluate whether or not I can deal with people I just don't agree with in the slightest. And I am still wondering how vets are supposed to get experience if only LVTs can draw blood, and you cannot practice actual surgery on actual animals. I think this spills over into quite a few other posts, and I apologize. :)
My interest is in geriatrics and I adopt old dogs and give them a few good last years. Through this I have explored a lot of quality-of-life/end-of-life issues and I feel that pain control in animals is an incredibly undervalued field and the Metacam-is-always-poison thing just got under my skin. I've been reading Dolittler for quite a while now (love it!!) and sometimes certain issues just *rankle* me and I have to go all researchy. :) Thanks for having this site, it's an awesome "peek" into the wide world of veterinary medicine.
*I am not saying that being an LVT is bad...there is definitely a need for LVTs and RVTs, but until the cost of that education pans out in the form of a decent living wage, you're never going to have all tech positions filled by people with actual degrees--and IMHO that is not a bad thing.
anonymous in boston June 13th, 2008 08:22:00 PM
Jessica: Thanks for your comment--very apropos.
Interesting coment, Boston. Yep. It sure does spill over into some other posts but it works here, too. I tend to think along the same lines in terms of what an education costs vs. what the market will bear on the wage end of things. As I wrote in another comment somewhere, the ideal situation is one where all techs are licensed. But that doesn't mean others can't do the job equally as well--or better in many cases. Certification allows the public to have some comfort when it comes to safety. But I think it ultimately comes down to trusting the hospital you choose. My personal GP has only one employee, non-licensed, and I'm happy as a clam in her hands. It's all about *trust.*
Dr. Patty Khuly June 14th, 2008 08:45:00 AM
I certainly hope that you will strongly advise the owners to report this as a drug reaction to the FDA. Here is a link to a site that provides information on FDA reporting:
http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/fdareporting.h...
Even though this occurred with non-compliant dosing, it further underscores that metacam cannot and never should be dosed above the safe amount, and further demonstrates exactly what will happen if for some reason, this is not understood by the client.
Would the manufacturer Boehringer-Ingelheim miffed that you encourage your clients to report ADEs to their drug?
Miffed enough perhaps to rescind the free steak dinners you wrote about ? (Not that you'd let a little thing like that stop you from recommending an ADE report be filed, I'm sure.)
Besides, even if they were miffed, I'm sure they'd forgive you in light of your recent stock-purchase recommendation for their company as well as the high volume of metacam you say you prescribe.
It's all about making things safer . . . right?
Stefani June 14th, 2008 02:26:00 PM
Darn, I wish we could edit posts.
Above I erroneously referred to a "safe" amount of metacam. I would just like to change that to "prescribed" amount. I don't assume that any prescribed amount is safe for cats, but nuff said on that.
stefani June 14th, 2008 02:28:00 PM
Hello anonymous in Boston! Don't give up your plans for vet med---unless you feel you don't have "needed" patience. I feel any medical field requires patience as a #1 virtue. And thank you for your very noble work with elderly, special needs rescues---there are so few that are willing to give their heart to that.
Do we really want to rely on a few limited clinical studies, FDA, CDC, and potentially "reported adverse reactions" (healthy skepticism here)? Drugs are pulled off every week, after introduced as 'safe'!!
Megan, as I mentioned, I HAVE used NSAIDs--and my dogs did NOT die from them. But it was with real 'awareness' , more so, than most owners. BTW, where one breed may do fine with NSAIDs, another may be highly affected and 'without' prior warning!! Scottish Terriers are known to be liver sensitive (as indicated by the $$$ in research fundingby the national club, along with 18x greater risk of Transitional Cell Carcinoma , exposed to herbicides/pesticided --Perdue quote) , just as collies don't agree with ivermectin. Unfortunately a single Scottie owner may not be aware of this. (But the 2 cases I cited, that resulted in death, involved inappropriate use/dosage prescribed & misdiagnosis).
Some antibiotics carry serious liver/kidney risk too, and would never be prescribed without extreme caution/risks, particularly for elderly.
Barbara A. Albright/New Hampshire June 14th, 2008 03:40:00 PM
Stefani, I assume are a veterinarian? What would YOU recommend for long-term pain management in a painful, arthritic cat? Is your drug of choice's safety profile available online? I am very interested in your opinion on this. If Metacam is the poison you say it is, I would be very happy to get the truth about the drugs that really work. We are going to euth our 21-year-old clinic cat next week because she is in kidney failure and can barely walk from arthritis. I would love to give her a safe drug that would ease her pain and not cause any side effects.
And are you really accusing Dr. K of prescribing boatloads of Metacam because she got a steak dinner from BI? Investing and investment recommendations are about making money, and if you are saying that investing in any Big Pharma company is the equivalent of selling ones soul to the devil, I would beg to disagree. Given how well BI treated Dr. K's "Metacam reaction" that was actually an unrelated galbladder problem, I cannot imagine that they would somehow censure Dr. K for reporting that an extreme overdose of Metacam does, indeed, cause kidney failure in cats. In fact, I think it would underline their position that oral dosing in the cat needs to be done at 0.1 mg/kg/day or less.
I'm sorry about what happened to your cat but it seems like now you are convinced that ALL vets are corrupt and evil and in the pockets of the big drug manufacturers and that attendance at any company-sponsored event now means that the greedy vet will prescribe enormous, dangerous amounts of toxic substances simply to make that company happy. Every drug is toxic in large enough amounts. Too much water will kill you (hyponatremia). Anesthesia is basically a controlled poisoning. But when the cost/benefit analysis says that the potential benefits of a treatment are worth more than the potential harm from that treatment, I would EXPECT an veterinarian to suggest that treatment.
anonymous in boston June 14th, 2008 06:37:00 PM
Boston, don't forget that oxygen is toxic too!!! :)
robyn w June 14th, 2008 07:05:00 PM
Amen, anonymous in boston! Thanks for putting the honest truth out there!!
As a veterinarian who experienced the horror of a feline patient succumbing to renal failure 7 days after starting Metacam at the correctly prescribed dosage (as per Plumb), I feel I can contribute my two cents' worth on dealing with BI (Boehringer Ingelheim) after the fact... not much satisfaction nor accountability on their part. Not a dime recompensed towards the diagnosis, treatment, euthanasia/cremation fees. Just a report from the technical services department and a lot of "sometimes this happens" rhetoric. A stark contrast, I might add, from the response I received from a particular vaccine company when I reported two cases of possible vaccine-associated fibrosarcoma. But maybe that was just my own experience dealing with BI. Needless to say, I have not used Metacam for a cat in 2 years now.
I was put in a tough spot when my own aged kitty started to show signs of debilitating arthritis, buprenex worked for a while, dasuquin was only somewhat effective (and only when she would eat it mixed with her food, ha ha), I was reluctant to start pred because of her early renal disease, and duralactin made her vomit. What to do? I talked at length to the pfizer people (who have used rimadyl off label in cats) and we started little miss madison on a very low dose of rimadyl given q72hrs... and the results have been very promising! jumping up on counters to drink from the faucet without hesitation! and so far bloods have shown no adverse effects. something to consider for those geriatric arthritis kitties, you may wish to talk to your pfizer rep for more info.
meowdoc June 14th, 2008 08:06:00 PM
Oh boy, I sense a bit of increased temperature here. Unless, I can't read...there was a serious mistake here that resulted in a dead cat. But the blog expanded NSAIDs, particularly Metacam, in generality. We all run into : "my pet is on a drug , and seems to be vomiting & a little 'loose' " , "oh, what is the drug & for what??", "oh, I don't know, I think it is a yellow pill"----some people are CLUELESS, they can't even tell you what the diagnosis was, let alone the treatment! Does everyone think that these people are "capable" for responsible administration of a potentially serious drug? (don't you even wonder how they raised children??)
Three vets have posted personal experiences with adverse reaction to metacam----, and both adverse & success with other drugs. Notably, meowdoc states that metacam has not been part of prescribing for 2 years & has found success with low dose of Rimadyl for miss madison
Barbara A. Albright/New Hampshire June 14th, 2008 09:40:00 PM
To Anonymous in Boston - No, not ALL vets are bad. But there certainly are WAY too many bad vets out there because there is NO accountability. Stefani has every right to be suspicious of ANY vet, as do all of us who have been victims of BAD vets, and as everyone else SHOULD be if they really care about their companion animal. This is not an indictment of Dr. Khuly, but one could certainly say objectivity may not be as much of a concern as it should be when one accepts perks and has stock in the company manufacturing the drug in question. I'm sorry, but in my book, that is a conflict of interest. In many a profession, accepting perks like that from a vendor will get you fired in a hurry.
Greg June 15th, 2008 01:05:00 AM
Dr. Khuly.... a future thought for you. Since this IS a potentially deadly drug, how about sending the client home with ONLY 3 doses - you'll learn quickly if they are not giving the correct dosage. If I add your "few days" when you called to check on the patient (which I commend you for) to another WEEK of daily doses, that is AT LEAST 10 doses you prescribed and more than enough to result in one dead kitty. With such a dangerous drug, this is an extra precaution worth taking regardless of the inconvenience caused to the client by having to return to your office sooner. Something to think about....
Greg June 15th, 2008 01:27:00 AM
As owner of www.metacamkills.com I receive at least a dozen questions/complaints per week regarding metacam.
100% of these people who contact me are not told nor given any idea as to the possible dangers of this drug.
Are all these people idiots or lying?
I am not against the use of off label medicatiions in animals but as pet owners we NEED to be told the possible side effects as well as what to look out for.
As a the owner of a metacam survior cat I can speak from my own experience..
When PB was given metacam any side effects mentioned were glossed over..
No-one ever indicated that kidney failure and possible death were side effects.
I also should have been told to watch for the warning signs.
My advice to those requesting info on metacam is the truth..as I get no incentives from BI.
It's what veterinary medicine should be giving...
At least then the pet owner can make a decision.
Respectfully,
Dave & PB (Metacam Survivor)
Dave June 15th, 2008 08:00:00 AM
"Anonymous"
Re: "And are you really accusing Dr. K of prescribing boatloads of Metacam because she got a steak dinner from BI?"
Actually, no. What I am suggesting is the inverse of that -- which she herself said. That they treated her to a steak dinner because she prescribes boatloads of metacam. She is actually the first one to imply this.
In my business, I represent the seller (an IT firm), and the government is the buyer. It is illegal for us, the seller, to give the buyer anything over $25 in value. But we don't stoip there, because we are mindful to avoid not merely ACTUAL conflict of interest, but any APPEARANCE of conflict of interest. Certainly, if I were to take the buyer out for a nice dinner (over $25 in value . . . ) and then the buyer was overhead enthusiastically suggesting that others purchase our services, whether or not there were any true conflict of interest, there would be the possible appearance of one.
I don't believe that all vets are corrupt and evil, LOL. What happened to my cat was entirely unrelated to the topic of vets' relationships with pharma. What I do believe is that in the case of metacam and particularly its prescription to cats, you all need a serious self-check on your objectivity.
You are subjected to a lot of marketing at those steak dinners. The more time you spend with BI (or any pharma or pet food co), the more you present yourself happily for brainwashing. Clearly, the lack of good pain management options in cats and your well-intentioned desire for options may make you particularly susceptible to claims that downplay the dangers of this drug. May induce you not to stress these dangers with your clients as much as you should.
I doubt these people fully understood that if this drug were given above the prescribed amount their cat would likely go into kidney failure. It was stupid for them to increase dose on their own, and certainly, no board in the world would find Dr. K responsible because they made that choice to essentially triple their pets dose above the prescribed amount. BUT surely they would not have done that if they understood how dangerous this drug is, and how narrow the safety margin in cats, and that doing so would be a virtual guarantee of kidney failure.
I see a lot of "use metacam for cats" enthusiasm on this board, and it does in fact cause me to call into question the objectivity of those who display this enthusiasm. That's not limited to Dr. Khuly . . . whose best quality, in my book, is the fact that she IS self questioning, and IS asking herself some important questions about whether she stressed the dangers of this drug as emphatically as she should have.
stefani June 15th, 2008 09:01:00 AM
In my experiences with Vet's over the years, I have found, they actually don't care what they do or give to your beloved furfriend. The bottom line is " How much can I charge, how quickly can I get them out of my clinic." I call them Mill Vet's, who run as many patients through as quickly as they can to make as many bucks as they can.
Very few Vet's in this day and age are the old fashioned professional with ethics and morals who actually loved animals as a reason for going into the profession.
Trust nothing they do or give, research first. . . . .there are many drugs just as harmful as Metcam.....the sales reps have no idea what their selling, they have no medical background, they are just salesmen. . .
Betty & Bo Bo Bear June 15th, 2008 09:03:00 AM
Whoa, now... It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye...
1- I do not hold stock in B-I or any other company I've written about on Dolittler. In fact, I own no stock at all, since this greedy, money hungry vet happens to have a negative net worth.
2-A steak dinner is NO compensation for the work I do in the office or on this blog, nor does it imply any wrongdoing. It is considered perfectly ethical in my profession and if I did not accept these "perks" (which usually interfere disagreeably with my family life, btw) I would be at a disadvantage when prescribing these products. Trust me...you want me to eat their damn steak while I watch their over-long slide presentation.
3-Try not to run down the messenger, especially when she's trying her darnedest to be honest.
Dr. Patty Khuly June 15th, 2008 11:30:00 AM
Stefani: "The more time you spend with BI (or any pharma or pet food co), the more you present yourself happily for brainwashing. Clearly, the lack of good pain management options in cats and your well-intentioned desire for options may make you particularly susceptible to claims that downplay the dangers of this drug. May induce you not to stress these dangers with your clients as much as you should. "
I fail to understand how refusing all offers of information related to new pharmaceutical products, ie, choosing to remain deliberately ignorant, makes one a better and less biased veterinarian. Perhaps it's my largely positive interactions with the vets who provide my pets' care (including an orthopedic surgeon, a radiation oncologist, and a veterinary oncologist) that has brainwashed me into believing that the desire to alleviate serious and painful conditions in animals who cannot communicate their misery is a good thing. Or maybe it's my Pharma (ie, evil brainwashing) background that gives me the biased insight that all drugs have side effects, all drugs CAN kill you, and that the action of finding a workable balance between effective and damaging is not only difficult to do, but is greatly variable based on every individual's chemical makeup. That's why many side effects don't present until a drug is dosed in an enormous, heterogeneous population; the test animals/people simply cannot contain the same proportion of genetic variability as the rest of the population. I shall end my discussion on this subject now as I am obviously a lost cause.
I would also argue that "The more time you spend with www.metacamkills.com or any other website run by someone who has experienced a relatively uncommon (admittedly sad and upsetting) side effect that has actually been described by the company producing the product, and now has an axe to grind with an entire industry, the more you present yourself happily for brainwashing."
anonymous in boston June 15th, 2008 12:49:00 PM
Dr. Khuly - My apologies on the stock ownership thing - did you recommend that others purchase stock in BI? Of course, I then assumed....and we all know what happens when you assume things.
Not that it is any of my business, but since you are being honest, have you been offered or accepted perks from BI or other drug companies that do not include information dissemination about the product as part of the perk? Those are the perks that I believe most of us would have a problem with.
Thank you for having thick enough skin to tolerate those of us who have unfortunately experienced the negative side of veterinary medicine. I commend you for your blog and your willingness to let us all post our passionate point of views.
Hopefully we all learn just a little bit more than we knew before....
Greg June 16th, 2008 01:28:00 AM
Betty,
I'll admit that I'm rather offended by your lumping all vets into one classification. Its sad that you have taken a few or even several experiences and decided that all vets are Mill Vets.
Just a few points to ponder. . .Just as sales reps have no medical background, neither do I as a pet owner and as such I depend on my vet for their knowledge and experience to guide me in the right direction when making decisions regarding my cats health and welfare.
Maybe I'm just lucky. I have had bad experiences but am knowledgable enough myself to question things, think critically and if really in doubt seek a second opinon from another vet. The info I find online or advice I seek from other cat owners is no replacement for the 8 + years of education that a vet gets.
The vet I have now is fantastic and while my cats eat prescribtion food that he sells me, never for a second do I feel that I've been taken advantage of. The last time I took both my cats in for a their annual exam and vaccine update (not something that I would necessarily do except I foster cats that come straight from the shelter and based on discussions with my vet and other rescue volunteers have decided that is a protection they need), he spent almost an hour with me, discussing prevention of arthritis in my cat that suffered a broken pelvis and subsequent hip surgery, the best and least stressful way to move them across country, the pros and cons of putting them on a new prescription diet . . .
If you are seeing a vet that you feel is constantly taking advantage of, perhaps you are seeing the wrong vet and its time to switch.
Shannon June 16th, 2008 10:24:00 AM
Boston:
Regarding your comments re: www.metacamkills.com.
FYI..I'm here in Mass. as well..
To set the record straight, I am probably the least confrontational person who has posted here..
I do not have an axe to grind with the entire industry.
I don't even discourage the use of metacam or any off label drug usage.
My whole purpose for creating the site was to do what many vets are not doing..
Giving the pet owner the information to make their own decision.
When a cat is prescribed metacam for a dental or cystitis and the pet owner is not informed of the possible side effects it's not just bad medicine it's bad business.
This drug is way to dangerous to prescribe for slight discomfort.
For the cat owner who has an animal in acute constant pain, Metacam may be something to try.
Unfortunately your "relatively uncommon" side effects effect dozens of pet owners who contact me weekly.
Respectfully,
Dave & PB
"I would also argue that "The more time you spend with www.metacamkills.com or any other website run by someone who has experienced a relatively uncommon (admittedly sad and upsetting) side effect that has actually been described by the company producing the product, and now has an axe to grind with an entire industry, the more you present yourself happily for brainwashing."
Dave June 16th, 2008 02:05:00 PM
Hi Dave,
Respectfully, I would believe you that your only purpose is simply educating pet owners, if your website were called "CatsAndMetacam.com" or "MetacamSideEffects.com" or any other more neutral phrase.
The message I get after perusing your website is that ALL prescription drugs can kill your cat, and probably will. The very last line of text at the bottom of the page is, in essence, feed your cat a natural/healthy diet and keep it away from ALL prescription drugs. In the "Metacam Horror Stories" section there are several anecdotal stories of cats with preexisting medical conditions developing kidney failure and it is always attributed to the Metacam (even though several cats were prescribed low doses) and the pet owner always says "I can't believe my vet prescribed this, it must be the kickbacks they get, they obviously don't care about my pet." I'm not saying these horror stories didn't happen, but I would believe them a heck of a lot more if there were any scientific causal relationship between 1) the cat's bloodwork beforehand, 2) the cat's bloodwork after its surgical procedure, 3) the cat's now dismal kidney values after a dose or two of oral Metacam, and 4) any proof of BI giving "kickbacks" or incentives to veterinarians to prescribe Metacam orally for cats. Maybe I just think too scientifically and can't accept the truth. I just don't know.
I can envision a cat safely receiving an injection of Metacam after a dental involving extractions, or a short course of low-dose oral Metacam for a painful acute problem. Saying that "This drug is way too dangerous to prescribe for slight discomfort", without an animal being able to tell you that it really is only in slight discomfort, thanks, and it will just wait out the temporary pain; and to remove the right for a veterinarian to use their best judgment when considering proposing the use of Metacam, is to unnecessarily incite fear and distrust of the veterinary profession and of all medications in general.
I really cannot continue to comment on this subject anymore as I feel I have hashed it to death and my comments are detracting from Dr. K's wonderful blog.
I'm glad your cat recovered from his reaction. I'm sorry it happened. He is a beautiful cat.
--Boston
anonymous in boston June 16th, 2008 04:18:00 PM
I'm sitting her trying to think of any perks I've gotten out of BI as a tech or a vet student (one of those horrible unlicensed techs for 6 years, finishing up my second year of vet school). Pfizer- buys us pizza if we sit through arthritis lectures (that have a Rimadyl pitch at the end). Oh, and we get chocolate. We get Frontline (Merial) and HeartGard (Merial again). I can picture our Merial rep, our Pfizer rep, and I think we have a Fort Dodge rep. They buy the office lunch when they are taking up our time (want to pitch something to the boss, want to explain a rebate program). They drop of pens. They sponsor CE. I can't think of a single perk from BI. Occasionally there will be deals on Metacam in terms of buy X number get 1 free- but thats true for pretty much any drug/stock item. It sure doesn't influence my boss's prescribing habits, only our ordering habits on occasion. The perks for vets are no where near what Dr's get as perks (or at least what the media says Dr.s get). I don't know any vets who base their prescribing practices based on who bought them the best lunch. Most are a pretty "eyes wide open" bunch and look at who is presenting CE and take things at face value. It is not the great scam some people seem to feel it is.
Alli June 16th, 2008 07:59:00 PM
Re: " . . .. without an animal being able to tell you that it really is only in slight discomfort, thanks,"
While undoubtedly there are many cats who have severe pain for whatever reason, arthritis BAD ENOUGH to cause noticeable changes in mobility is not necessarily painful enough to warrant taking serious drug risks. I live with arthritis pain (feet) bad enough to cause me to noticeably limp some days. People ask me how I am -- and yeah, some days I'm hurtin but not enough to take something that could do systemic damage. I deal. Pain bad enough to make me limp doesn't tempt me to risk my life. (Yeh, I pretty much stopped taking advil after more recent revelations). Just because animals can't tell us what their pain level is doesn't mean we should assume the worst.
Re: " . . . remove the right for a veterinarian to use their best judgment when considering proposing the use of Metacam . . ."
The issue I have with this is that the owners need to be the ones making the decision, and they need to be fully informed of the risks. Not have them downplayed.
Stefani June 16th, 2008 09:28:00 PM
Stefani cats tend to hide pain. By the time a cat shows signs of pain (or disease) it is usually advanced/severe. In your example, you'd you rather have a cat who is in severe pain not be given pain relief because we should not assume it is the worst, or a cat in mild pain be given pain relief because we did assume the worst? Hmm, cat 1 in extreme pain, cat 2 not in pain. I'd rather be cat 2.
They can't come out and tell us "Yes, I'd like some drugs now". Most people tend to err on the side of caution and prevent pain rather than force an animal to experience pain unnecessarily.
Animals are not small humans. Human medical concepts do not always translate.
If the pain med given were, say, buprenex (which has its own set of issues but doesn't have the bad rep for kidney failure) would you be so hesitant to give it to a painful cat? Is it just Metacam you object to?
Alli June 17th, 2008 10:28:00 AM
Alli,
I'm not arguing against pain control for cats, period, at all. I am saying that in my book, a cat would have to be in excruciating pain, in the last year of its life, and with kidneys that check out A-OK before I would be willing to take the metacam risk.
I have heard of cats that got a "normal" low, as-prescribed dose of metacam, had bloodwork with kidney values within normal limits, and had kidney failure within weeks after starting metacam. Since I know everyone here is going to scream "coincidence" let's just agree to disagree there.
And if cats don't show pain, I'm not sure how you determine that they are in extreme pain.
Again, I'm not against pain control: But for me to risk possible deadly systemic damage to myself or a family member, I would have to be at the point that I was literally willing to risk life (i.e., I'd rather die than live with this pain). Because that's what we're talking about.
Lower risk drugs? That's another story.
Stefani June 17th, 2008 02:20:00 PM
My goodness.....hopefully I'm never in Boston looking for a vet....whew....it is that attitude right there that really rubs me the wrong way. No thank you. The scientific FACTS are that MANY animals DO have bad reactions. The OWNER of the pet should decide if the risk/reward ratio is viable ONLY after being FULLY informed of ALL risks. PERIOD.
Ummm, erring on the side of caution? That would be STAYING AWAY from dangerous drugs - NOT risking it. It certainly would not be experimentation time. There ARE alternative pain relief methods out there.
Greg June 17th, 2008 02:41:00 PM
My site was created as my own cat was in distress from metacam poisoning.
It's name was initially intended for get attention and help for my cat. (it worked).
Since it's creation it's evolved into a collective regarding metacam.
The only information that was created by me was the story regarding my cat PB.
All the other information was collected and linked from other sources, mostly the FDA and BI itself, as well as letters from those that emailed me.
While it's true the site is not pro metacam, I have been contacted by a few that say metacam is doing wonders for their animal and I'm truly happy for them.
As a pet owner I think I deserve to be advised and consulted if you feel my pet needs medication, surgery, procedures, etc. and to be informed of any possible complications.
I can then make an informed decision.
Dave & PB
Dave June 17th, 2008 03:43:00 PM
I happen to work in sales for animal health. I have a degree in animal science, have 5+ years experience as a vet and work for a company that I am very passionate about what I am selling. I do not regurgetate information that is force upon me, I have spent hours studying information about my product and hate not knowing an answer when asked.
I buy lunch for vet clinics and Doctors, I sponsor CE meetings, I train techs and receptionists, and I also do inventory (with my product) in certain clinics to help them save on labor costs. I wish it were so easy to buy some pizza, maybe play some golf or go to the spa with a vet and have them write a script for my product but it is not. Actually I can not think of one clinic out of the 425 that I visit that will buy into my product because of something I have done for them monetarily.
What I like to think is that 1. My product is a good product 2. I provide new and interesting information that vets will either challenge, accept, or do more research of their own to form their own opinion. 3) I bring value to my clients by providing a training opportunity for their staff to become more knowlegeable.
Sorry to ramble, but I hope my vet personally will listen to my steak dinner presentation and my competitors as well. I hope they choose my product based on the information, because I know it isn't for the steak dinner they will not remember next week.
goose June 17th, 2008 09:41:00 PM
Thanks, goose. Your thinking is in line with other reps I know. And it's always great to hear that you're passionate about your products.
Dr. Patty Khuly June 18th, 2008 08:13:00 AM
I wanted to make one more point about Metacam to those of you out there who have an issue with its use over other pain relieving products:
Metacam is the ONLY pain relieving drug approved for use in cats. Every other drug is used in an OFF label manner. If I use Metacam orally in a cat it's an EXTRA label use, which is arguably (legally, anyway) more appropriate than an OFF label approach.
Veterinarians are in a bind when it comes to treating pain in cats. It's not only difficult to find good drugs, it's hard to know when a cat is in pain. All vets have a certain comfort level with the concept of pain.
Me? I can't abide knowing my patient might be suffering. I'd rather err on the side of *that* caution. And my clients are informed of my bias and the medications untoward effects, hopefully helping them reach a good decision on whether to treat their pets or not.
Dr. Patty Khuly June 18th, 2008 08:21:00 AM
anon in Boston
"IMHO this borders on animal cruelty.
definition of cruelty:
cruelty to animals n. the crime of inflicting physical pain, suffering or death on an animal, usually a tame one, beyond necessity for normal discipline. It can include neglect that is so monstrous (withholding food and water*) that the animal has suffered, died or been put in imminent danger of death. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Anim...
*I consider allowing extreme pain to continue to be in this class"
I live within 30 miles of you----S. NH
In the mid-70's, one of my dogs got hit by a schoolbus in front of my house----broken pelvis----
NO PAIN MEDS suggested nor prescribed by vet---healed in 6 weeks
Mid-80's, another dog of mine hit by car (let out by 'other' while I was at work)----broken shoulder---no PAIN meds suggested nor prescribed, dog had subsequent surgery with plates, pins, & screws---NO pain meds prescribed ---
2006---my dog dying of multi-organ failure, pancreatic enzymes through the roof, peritonitis seen on x-ray---sat in cage in vet clinic for a WEEK---vet told owner (me) she was improving every day----NO PAIN MEDS AT ALL
last day, injected with Potassium chloride saturated solution to achieve death while fully conscious---NO PAIN MEDS AT ALL (http://clik.to/scotty), what is the definition of cruel?
The only tie in to this blog, is that the "power & control" to relieve pain in animals and prescribe medication (prescription) lies solely in the hands of the licensed veterinarian and the client/patient is completely dependant on receiving honest, fair, and ethical pros/cons of each drug.
Barbara A. Albright/New Hampshire June 19th, 2008 06:24:00 PM
"Anonymous" in Boston -- no wonder you remain anonymous. You really are fond of twistng and misprepresenting my statements.
We are not talking about failing to provide pain control for a surgical procedure or failure to give pain meds for an animal that has been hit by a car. Both of those circumstances constitute extreme pain. You are totally distorting the original debate.
This debate was about giving metacam to a cat who had arthritis.
And as long as we are extrapolating human experience to animals, (your suggestion that since we would be in pain from a "procedure" -- and I presume you mean surgery -- they would be too. Duh) -- then let me extrapolate the experience of myself and my family members with arthritis to cats.
I live with limited arthritis in specific sites. Those sites are often very painful. I would rather live with this pain than take a drug with a high potential to cause organ failure. In other words, even with the pain, I'd rather not die, thank you.
My grandmother lived with crippling rheumatoid arthritis and was never on any big deal pain killers (I think she took aspirin, which couldn't have done much). She was gnarled up like a bonsai tree, but she still seemed to get some joy out of life and I believe she would have preferred to live (and did) even with the pain, than die, thank you.
Getting hit by a car or having surgery is not the same comparison to medicating for chronic arthritis and the risk-benefit calculation changes for me, and I'm sure most owners, when you change the circumstances that drastically.
And lest your mention of animal cruelty be a veiled threat, "anonymous" rest assured that my cats had pain meds for their spays and their dental extractions. I can prove that. But it wasn't metacam!
I definitely will look up all those other drugs especially the "_orphanols" that the vets seem to like for my cats and maybe have a discussion with the vet about their risks should they ever require another "procedure".
Stefani June 19th, 2008 06:43:00 PM
I choose to remain anonymous so as not to end up on anyone's website.
Barbara: attitudes towards animals and pain have changed drastically over the last few years. Where animals were never prescribd any pain relief before, now it is generally (at least in my limited experience) a "given" that injured animals are offered pain relief based on the presumption that they would feel pain given their injury. Doctors used to do surgery on human infants without pain meds, too, they would just chemically paralyze them, do surgery, and put them on a ventilator. The mortality rate dropped dramatically when people finally realized that the pain itself was killing the babies.
Stefani, I don't believe I misinterpreted your comment that you would only give pain meds with potential side effects to an animal at the point of "I'd rather die than live with this pain." Perhaps somehow I missed your meaning, and if so, I apologize.
I feel that humans have the right to refuse treatment and the right to choose to suffer. I do not believe that we have the right to cause other animals to suffer, and arthritis that shows up on radiographs is what I consider to be a chronic pain-causing condition. I would much rather try my personal pet on an NSAID for a painful chronic condition and risk the slight potential for kidney or liver damage rather than allowing the animal to live out its life at less than a reasonable, comfortable level. Life should not hurt.
anonymous in boston June 19th, 2008 07:48:00 PM
Okay I just have to comment on a few things and I apologize in advance if I step on toes. This is just one humble vet's opinion.
It is escaping me for the moment but there was a vet in the last year or so that I read about who was going to potentially lose his liscense because he did NOT administer pain meds to an animal after a cruciate surgery (I believe) - is it ringing a bell with anyone else??? Sort of damned if you do and damned if you don't it seems. What is a vet to do these days?? Kudos to all of you who can live with chronic pain maybe I am just a wuss but my relatively mild back pain has been enough to really bring me down. I can't cite studies like some of you but I am pretty sure that I have read that chronic pain can shorten your life span as well.......so live in pain for longer or 'potentially' die quicker but in comfort? Thank god we live in a country where we do more or less have the choice and I don't really care what other people choose to do as long as I have some options.
In regards to our animals we are making the choice for them - and I would truely hope that all vets approach this 'privilege' with integrety and compassion. I for one would not offer anything to anyone that I would not do for my own pets. That being said I believe and try and practice with the idea that it is up to the owners to decide what they want to do - what is best for them and their pet. I believe that this is the point a lot of people were trying to make.
However, I would not like to be lynched just because I do use Metacam in cats and until something better comes out I will continue. I will not put a cat on it (or any pet any medication) until we have exhausted all other options and/or the owner fully understands the risks.
I know this particular blog was originally about a cat who got Metacam for chronic arthritis -- but I would just emphasize the point someone made that times have changed and in many ares what we used to know and do is vastly different to what should be done. I believe this area(pain control) is on its way to becoming its own speciality. I absolutely respect an owner's desire to be involved in the decisions regarding their pet; nothing bothers me more when an owner says....do whatever you think is best doc....because without fail what I believe is best and what the owner really wanted is not the same.
I did go to school for four years and I don't believe it is incorrect to say that I should have more knowledge than my client. I had classes in vet school on this subject - hours of lectures and tests. For heavens sake if you think you can do better then go to school and get your DVM instead of telling me how to use mine. I don't tell my dentist how to put in a filling. You have to extend a bit of faith that when you rely on someone (in a field you may not have knowlege or expertise in) that they know what they are doing. I can't go through life saying I wonder if they are telling me everything I need to know or else I think I would live a very timid and terrifying existence.
Last point I would make is that NO WHERE IS THERE A LAW THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT I SAY - so if you don't speak up, be an advocate, question when you don't understand something, and be involved in your pets health decisions then I think you need to accept partial blame if something happens. I heard something from a cop once that "Stupidity is not a Defense" and I think you could substitute 'Ignorance' in place of Stupidity. I am far from perfect; I just hope at the end of the day I can go to sleep knowing that I did WHATEVER I could to make my patients life a little better.
Even if it means that I have to use Metacam..............
Jessica June 19th, 2008 11:37:00 PM
I'm with boston here. While some people to chose to live with chronic pain associated with arthritis or other diseases, I personally don't feel we have the right to inflict that pain on others, others constituting of my cats. I also feel that although people chose to live with chronic pain, it does affect quality of life. I know I have chronic pain issues associated with sciatic. If my cats are ever suffering from chronic pain, my choice will be to medicate. I'd rather they have a good, painless quality to their life than suffer. Pets can't rationalize pain. They don't understand it. And I wouldn't want them to suffer through it.
Shannon June 20th, 2008 09:02:00 AM
I cant bear to read some of the comments right now as I sit here with a cat who went into acute renal failure 1.5yrs ago after given metacam for her mild arthritis possibly making it difficult for her to have a bowel movement...her numbers are back up and rising. Ive spent the last 15 days 24/7 considering her quality of life. I will try and remain objective, but I am a little extra sensitive at the moment.
As with Dave from Metacamkills.com I receive numerous reports a week from owners whose cats have been affected. I spend a lot of time encouraging owners to report their adverse reactions to the FDA, so they can be evaluated. As of June '08, the number of adverse reactions reported (which the FDA claims is only 1% of actual reactions) has gone up by 203 in the last year. That would be 136 for oral suspension and 67 for injectable. http://www.fda.gov/cvm/Documents/ade_web_rpts_MN.p...
I have been speaking with the FDA extensively over the past few months regarding my concerns over metacam. I am confident that if something does not change with the way this medication is prescribed it will likely become unavailable, period. I would think it would be in our feline friends best interest whether for or against Metacam that we get it all together and start figuring it out.
That being said, I think there may be a time or place where metacam is a suitable choice, considering all other options have been explored or tried,labwork for pre-existing conditions is done, the owner is FULLY informed (Client information sheet handed out), AND the owner has some idea of what to look for in case of an adverse reaction. This may mean phone contact with the vet every few days initially or bringing the cat in to be checked once a week for a period of time. Unfortunately once the adverse reactions have started, its already too late anyway. Most of these cats who do survive end up with chronic renal failure.
One of my major concerns is the dosage given to cats.
according to the National Office of Animal Health in the U.K. they recommend the following dosage for .5 oral suspension in cats (NOTE: that is for .5 concentration)
"Initial treatment is a single oral dose of 0.1 mg meloxicam/kg bodyweight on the first day. Treatment is to be continued once daily by oral administration (at 24-hour intervals) at a maintenance dose of 0.05 mg meloxicam/ kg bodyweight.
Particular care should be taken with regard to the accuracy of dosing. The recommended dose should not be exceeded."
http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/Boehringer_Ingelhe...
Now, in the US, it appears as if the standard dosage is the same but with the 1.5 Oral solution for dogs (NOTE: 1.5 concentration vs the .5 concentration). So, many cats are being overdosed with a medication that is already potentially VERY dangerous.
Though I appreciate Dr. Patty's insight on the problem with communication between a vet and client and trying to prevent it in the future, I am disappointed to yet again hear the statement, "Metacam is the ONLY pain relieving drug approved for use in cats." This is a VERY misleading statement (exactly the one that convinced me it was okay to use on my ca). It is ONLY approved as a one time injection. It IS NOT APPROVED for oral use in cats - period. The manufacturer, Advertisements, newspaper articles, veterinarians, secretaries at clinics - they all say it is the first NSAID approved for cats, but never follow up with the rest of the sentence. Very misleading.
*sigh*
As I mentioned above, if this medication continues to be used as it is, if cat owners continue to be misled, many more deaths are going to occur and those who have been helped or could be helped by the drug will no longer have it available to them.
Please be responsible.
Thank you for the discussion
Carolyn
carolyn June 24th, 2008 02:36:00 PM
Carolyn,
Thank you for posting.
For those people who contact you, you might be interested to know that according to a post here (Dr. Khuly's, no less) a veterinarian lost a malpractice suit because he prescribed oral metacam without telling the owners that the drug was not approved for use in cats. I think the veterinary metacam-for-cats cheering squad would be well advised to heed that too.
Here is the quote from that post:
"Vet D’s client sued after the geriatric cat he was treating for severe arthritic pain went into renal failure, potentially because he received a three-dose regimen of Metacam. Was the Metacam the cause? Was it normal degeneration? It doesn’t even matter.
The vet lost because he hadn’t explained that the Metacam, given orally, was not approved for use in cats (though most drugs we give cats are not approved for them and though most vets use Metacam in this way). It leaves me wondering…do I mention the labeling issue to every client? Do I send home a package insert on my every Rimadyl case? I usually do…but sometimes I’m so busy…will I be next?"
Link:
http://www.dolittler.com/index.cfm/2007/4/1/pet.ve...
I am particularly concerned, given discussion on this board, that veterinarians tend to substitute THEIR judgment for the owners -- i.e., apply their own "risk-benefit" calculation philosophy and then make a choice FOR the client and patient, rather than providing a complete, balanced and honest presentation of the risks and benefits, and letting the client apply his or her OWN "risk benefit" calculation philosophy.
I think living with chronic mild to moderate arthritis pain -- even that which affects my mobility and quality of life -- is preferably to risking death. That's my choice to make -- both for myself AND my pets, not someone else's. Not even a vets. Sheesh.
Stefani June 25th, 2008 07:36:00 PM
Yes, I have read about that lawsuit. Unless you find a willing attorney or have a lot of money, bringing any of these cases to court individually is near impossible. Though I dont doubt someday that it will happen if all parties involved with administering this medication to cats do not get their act together. This includes:
BIVI who does advocate the use of this medication off label. They also have some conflicting/misleading advertisements.
Veterinarians, who can simply hand out a CIS, explain its off label use and why, what signs to look for in case of an adverse reaction and what to do if symptoms are noticed. Of course, mentioning other alternatives are important (and I believe law in most states) Potentially a signature from the owner would make it more clear that they understand. All I needed to hear was "off label" and I would have done some research before giving it to her. I would have chosen at that point in her life to try something else.
Pet owners, who have had a cat affected need to make the FDA aware (as should the vet) and educate others. Sad to think I should have to research every and any treatment for my cat because I can no longer trust that a vet will give me the full story, whether its because they dont know or other motives, Im not sure.
Any vets out there know of any long term studies done on cats who have suffered kidney failure due to metacam? Unlike what I was told by BIVI it does not seem the majority FULLY recover. Pretty much cat owners I have spoken to with surviving cats are all in one stage or another of CRF. It also appears as if a lot of them have more severe stomach issues and more fluctuation in labwork . Just wondering. This would be a golden opportunity for someone in the profession to start looking into it.
Carolyn
carolyn June 27th, 2008 07:06:00 PM
Carolyn: "Sad to think I should have to research every and any treatment for my cat because I can no longer trust that a vet will give me the full story, whether its because they dont know or other motives, Im not sure."
So you are saying that for every treatment, study, medication, or procedure your pet may need, from a simple vaccine to an x-ray to a medication for hyperthyroidism or a surgery for kidney stones...you will now assume that your veterinarian is either woefully misinformed about the "potential" risks, and I emphasize potential, or else you will automatically assume that your veterinarian is in the business solely to either perform unnecessary procedures or prescribe deadly medications in order to get "kickbacks" from industry forces and amass as large a fortune as possible, or worse yet, that your veterinarian simply wants to kill as many animals as possible out of sheer ill will, by witholding information about the side-effects of a product or treatment.
Can you imagine if we all treated everyone we dealt with this way? If I want to go to Subway to get a sandwich for my child, and I demand to be given a tour of the back room, check the temperature of the ovens and the fridges, personally examine the cheeses, demand a copy of the ingredients of the lunch meat and ask the manager WHY they are serving something with nitrates in it, which are known to cause cancer and KILL YOU, not to mention the choking hazard that the rolls present and the absolute lack of warnings and information about *that* problem, let alone the dearth of Heimlich maneuver information provided to the customer, then start a website called "www.SubwayKills.com" and tell everyone that the greedy Subway franchisees deliberately withold information about their deadly products from the general population simply to increase their bottom line, what would you think about that? Now extrapolate this attitude to every interaction you have with any human being, ever. To me, that's a miserable way to live.
It seems to me that there needs to be a rational balance here. Yes, every single drug and or medical procedure CAN cause harm. Too many x-rays will give you cancer. Too much insulin can cause seizures and death. Does that mean that we should not ever x-ray our injured animal or treat our diabetic dog? Of course not. It means we need to be aware of the risks without being AFRAID of the risks.
It seems prudent to do a bit of research when your pet has been diagnosed with a condition or prescribed a new medication (I certainly do), but I also dialogue with my vet (who has 4 years of vet school, let's not forget, that I personally do not have) about whatever I find online that bothers me. If I have a concern, for instance about the Rimadyl I used with my last dog, I talk to my vet. In that case she acknowledged that yes, approximately 1:2000 dogs using Rimadyl may develop increased liver values, and that she strongly recommends pre-Rimadyl bloodwork, bloodwork after 1 month, and then every 4-6 months thereafter. I found this attitude reassuring and the Rimadyl provided great relief for my dog. A different person would see the vet as a money-hungry businessperson, trying to bleed them dry with unnecessary bloodwork for something that has a very small chance of affecting their pet. Some people will defer to Dr. Google, DVM, and some people just don't care. I cannot see how any vet can possibly make every client happy. Nobody is forcing you to use a specific vet or give your pet any medication or treatment that you don't want to. But trying to take away a vet's right to ever suggest a medication (to any client) they feel would be helpful, simply because YOU don't feel it's a safe medication, is completely inappropriate.
Carolyn: "Any vets out there know of any long term studies done on cats who have suffered kidney failure due to metacam? Unlike what I was told by BIVI it does not seem the majority FULLY recover. Pretty much cat owners I have spoken to with surviving cats are all in one stage or another of CRF. It also appears as if a lot of them have more severe stomach issues and more fluctuation in labwork . Just wondering. This would be a golden opportunity for someone in the profession to start looking into it."
Without the funding for a large, well-planned randomized double-blind study, which requires enormous funds, you're not going to get anything more than anecdotal evidence about this issue. If BI funded a study, they wouldn't be believed, so the funding would have to come from somewhere else. I wonder if www.metacamkills.com could start a research fund in collaboration with a large teaching hospital or something. A collection of anecdotes doesn't give me any confidence about anything.
anonymous in boston June 27th, 2008 08:40:00 PM
I also wanted to clarify a statement by Carolyn: "One of my major concerns is the dosage given to cats. According to the National Office of Animal Health in the U.K. they recommend the following dosage for .5 oral suspension in cats (NOTE: that is for .5 concentration)
"Initial treatment is a single oral dose of 0.1 mg meloxicam/kg bodyweight on the first day. Treatment is to be continued once daily by oral administration (at 24-hour intervals) at a maintenance dose of 0.05 mg meloxicam/ kg bodyweight. Particular care should be taken with regard to the accuracy of dosing. The recommended dose should not be exceeded." <snip> Now, in the US, it appears as if the standard dosage is the same but with the 1.5 Oral solution for dogs (NOTE: 1.5 concentration vs the .5 concentration). So, many cats are being overdosed with a medication that is already potentially VERY dangerous."
This is not true. All doses are calculated on a mg/mL or mg/kg basis. It does not matter if the starting concentration is 0.5mg/mL or 1.5mg/mL, the calculated dose is still based on the final mg/kg calculation for the individual animal. The problem with the 1.5mg/mL solution is that the dispensing syringe provided is not accurate for very small amounts of medication, like the maintainance dose (0.05mg/kg or lower) for cats. The vet should provide a tuberculin syringe or other smaller-bore dispensing syringe that can accurately dispense the very low volume of medication. The only difference between the 0.5 and the 1.5 mg/mL suspensions is that you will need to give 1/3 less VOLUME of the 1.5 mg/mL solution than you would give of the 0.5 mg/mL solution. The milligrams of meloxicam given to the pet, however, based on kg bodyweight, remain the same.
anonymous in boston June 27th, 2008 08:48:00 PM
clarification: "need to give 1/3 less VOLUME " should be "2/3 less volume"; another way is to say "give 1/3 the volume you would give of the less-concentrated dose." Apologies for misspeaking.
anonymous in boston June 27th, 2008 09:25:00 PM
There are certain medications (ie/NSAID's) which the FDA does not deem safe unless the owner is fully informed of the possible adverse reactions and alerted to the symptoms (I can try and dig up the link if you like). I would guess there are a few other classes of medication, but my main focus has been on the NSAIDs at the moment. I think it would be wise for a vet to follow both the FDA and the veterinary ethical guidelines by informing clients and allowing them to make the choice. There are also federal law AND state laws requiring cautionary statements be included with veterinary medications. These cautionary statements (if any) are up to the prescribing vet to decide according to both the law and AVMA ethical guidelines. In the case of Metacam, not cautioning an owner of potential reactions I feel is just plain wrong and unethical. Unfortunately one problem with injectable metacam is that (even though approved) the owner is often not even told that it has been administered until after the fact, if at all.
I dont think vets are bad. I have two good friends who are vets and a couple friends who are techs. We see eye to eye on some things. Other things we disagree. And, we have both helped each other see different sides of the story that couldnt be seen before. I dont think the vet who prescribed Metacam to my cat while glossing over the side effects did so will ill intent. I think SHE was not informed well enough, for whatever reason. That being said, yes - I do feel the need to research everything that happens medically for my cat at this point , in addition to my vets suggestions. We now work TOGETHER rather than me submitting to what they feel is best. In my mind, it is a much better approach - for my cat.
My cat is NOT an isolated incident. Our situation is not one in a million. There are thousands of us out there and thousands more cats who will be adversely affected by this medication if we all dont start working together.
Time for kitty meds, sub q's, and feeding...
carolyn
carolyn June 27th, 2008 09:46:00 PM
Boston..
I take offense to your continued shots at my web site..
I have been nothing but civil in my responses here without taking personal attacks.
It appears you know whats best for all of us. Thanks.
I think BI is looking for a spokesman, maybe you should apply.
As Carolyn, myself and hundreds others have experienced the poisoning of our pets first hand, one would think we might know a little bit about the danger.
I do agree with you that everything that you read on the internet should be taken with a grain of salt (including my site).
Is it possible some of the information might be accurate?
My goal in setting up the site is to inform those already poisoned that there is hope and to warn about the possible dangers to those who research prior to dosing.
It's been over a year since PB's poisoning and he remains free of any problems.
This does seem to be the exception rather than the rule though.
Carolyn's situation seems to be more the norm in those contacting me.
Re:the research fund, Sorry too busy since I now have to create www.subwaykills.com.
Not quite so respectfully,
Dave & PB
Dave June 28th, 2008 06:55:00 AM
Very interesting discussion, but wonder whether it might be more productively focused on Dr. Khuly's original question of how to effectively communicate with owners.
There are two separate issues here:
1. Owner compliance
2. Informed consent
There are clearly owners none of us would trust with the TV remote, let alone to follow detailed medication instructions. And even the best owners may well be distracted and hear something other than what was actually said.
I would like to suggest that at least for 1) selected drugs 2) which have potentially severe consequences when not administered properly and 3) which will be administered outside the clinic by the owner, the starting point is a written guide on their use.
In fact, for this class of drugs the FDA already requires such a guide known variously as the Owner Information Sheet or Client Information Sheet.
This guide, unlike the product prescribing label, is written explicitly for lay owners and it is required because the drug is deemed unsafe without the information contained in the CIS being provided to owners.
Legally, the CIS is an integral part of the product label and removing it effectively misbrands and adulterates the product. It is the veterinary equivalent of what is known in human med as the Medication Guide.
I would suggest that it serves as a perfect guide for the discussion with caretakers outlined in Dr. Khuly's points 1 and 2. (Thinking about this, also suggests a possible change in the CIS that would allow the vet to write the prescribing instructions on the CIS keeping all the vital safety and compliance information in one place.)
Adding a signature line to the CIS would take this all the way toward greater safety and compliance. While I suppose the signature provides some kind of legal immunity, more importantly, it drives home to the owner that this is important information to which they need to pay close attention.
In a study of veterinary adverse reaction reports done several years ago by the FDA, the agency found that vets were not providing owners with CIS's for drugs which had them. This was primarily the result of the drugs being sold to vets in other than unit-of-use packages which allowed vets to withhold this vital safety information from owners.
As far as I can see anecdotally, this is still the case--most owners whose companions suffer an adverse reaction are not being given the CIS for drugs which have them.
We further know from repeated experience that state veterinary boards do not think vets should be required to provide the information that the nation's veterinary drug safety experts and the product's manufacturers deem necessary and this is also the official position of the AVMA.
One small point regarding Metacam and cats. Its use is not 'extra' label. It is 'contra' label. The warning against use in cats is boldfaced in the prescribing label, one step below a black box warning. It is one thing to use a medicine for which there are no veterinary alternatives, and no explicit warnings, and quite another thing to use a medicine which the nation's drug safety experts say should not be used in a particular species. You don't need a Philadelphia lawyer to win on this issue in court because most vets, probably Plumb included, are going to have a hard time convincing a judge and/or jury that they know more about drug safety than the vets who work at the FDA.
Edward Murray June 28th, 2008 10:43:00 AM
Dave: "I take offense to your continued shots at my web site..
I have been nothing but civil in my responses here without taking personal attacks.
It appears you know whats best for all of us. Thanks.
I think BI is looking for a spokesman, maybe you should apply."
I'm sorry you feel I am taking shots at your website. I was using it as an example of the many personal web sites that exist to warn people about the "extreme danger" of various aspects of veterinary medicine. I apologize for singling your site out. I do not wish to become a BI spokesperson, as I already have two jobs, but thank you for the suggestion. I also think that a study funded by people whose cats have had meloxicam reactions, done in conjunction with a teaching hospital, would be much more palatable and believeable than any study conducted by industry. I sincerely mean that. I would think that those affected by meloxicam would push for funding and coordinating such research, since this is the issue that has affected their cat, and the study probably will never get done any other way.
My problem with ALL of the anecdotal warning sites is that the side effects and adverse reactions, while of course very real and severe, are not presented in the context of number of doses given vs. number of adverse events, or number of cats treated vs. number of adverse events. Obviously pet owners need to be counseled on the potential risks of all NSAIDS, I am not saying that the vet should withold this information or the client info sheets. What does trouble me is when a "1% chance of kidney failure" becomes "almost certain kidney failure" based on a small sample size of adverse effects. Your idea of an "appropriate warning" is different from my idea of an "appropriate warning."
I know of an overweight, arthritic senior labrador whose owner absolutely will not consider using any NSAID to relieve her dog's significant pain, because she read online somewhere that Rimadyl kills labradors. The reported adverse reaction rate for Rimadyl in Labrador Retrievers is 1:500, or 0.2%. This is higher than the reported adverse reaction rate for all breeds of dogs, which is about 1:2000 or 0.05%. However, the reason for this discrepancy is not known: it could be that more Labrador Retrievers in general are prescibed Rimadyl and so more reactions are reported, or it could be a genetic difference in how the breed's liver metabolizes and clears the drug. It boggles my mind that such a low adverse event rate causes people to allow their pets to suffer out of the chance that something bad MIGHT happen. My own personal cat had a reaction to anesthesia, he stopped breathing and had to be revived during a dental cleaning. He was one of the small percentage of cats who react badly to anesthesia. However, I interpreted this as that his personal bodily systems reacted differently to anesthesia than most cats' systems do, instead of that the vet refused to inform me of the dangers of anesthesia and the fact that my cat could die from it. The next time he needed anesthesia we were more aware of the potential issue and monitored him more closely, and he was fine.
"As Carolyn, myself and hundreds others have experienced the poisoning of our pets first hand, one would think we might know a little bit about the danger."
Absolutely true. My family friend choked to death on a fishbone. If I solicited similar stories, I might build up a large library of deadly and near-deadly choking incidents, and I would advise that anyone who doesn't either liquify their food, or refrain from eating anything choke-able, that they are in deadly risk of death. Do you understand my point? I totally get where you're coming from, but I would put forth the idea that the overemphasis on potential side effects above and beyond their predicted occurrance may cause unnecessary suffering in animals who could be helped.
anonymous in boston June 28th, 2008 11:55:00 AM
Last comment. Dr. Khuly writes that "-We lay it out in plain language in the exam room.
2-We highlight the key points with verbal exclamation points.
3-We write it down in the owner’s take-home instructions (on the invoice or a hand-written note).
4-If it’s a drug we’re talking about we write it again on the prescription label.
5-If there’s a serious caution involved, as with off-label drug use or side-effect prone meds, we’ll explicitly explain the drug’s approval status and describe the symptoms of a drug reaction in detail. I’ll even visually describe how the drug is to be administered with the dosing syringe or tablet in hand so I have personal confirmation of their understanding."
I'm not sure what other steps should have been done in order to prevent this case of Metacam overdose, short of not prescribing Metacam at all. The Client Information Sheet should probably have been provided if it was not, but aside from that, I cannot imagine what else vets are supposed to do to ensure compliance in dosing.
anonymous in boston June 28th, 2008 12:01:00 PM
Anonymous in Boston:
"I also think that a study funded by people whose cats have had meloxicam reactions, done in conjunction with a teaching hospital, would be much more palatable and believeable than any study conducted by industry."
Unfortunately those of us whose cats have had reactions to metacam are using their money to keep their cat comfortable as their renal failure progresses. Average cost of initial tx for the renal failure is 2000-3000 (hospitalization, IV fluids, exams, bloodwork). Maintainence for the aftermath, CRF can costs hundreds of dollars a month (fluids, food, medications, vet visits, etc). Not to mention time missed from work.
Carolyn
Carolyn June 28th, 2008 12:57:00 PM
I am currently caring for a Metacam survivor - my beautiful Siamese cat given Metacam orally following dental extraction 27 months ago. She had just turned nine and had perfect kidney values in her pre-surgical bloodwork. She received an injection during the procedure. I was sent home with 1.5ml/mg oral suspension, to give her .3 ml each day for five consecutive days. The day after the last dose she was vomiting green bile, hiding, not eating, not drinking. Her Bun was 147, creatinine 19.3. She survived after a week's hospitalization but the damage was permanent and irreversible and she has CRF.
I was not adequately warned of this danger. Oral Metacam is not 'off-label', it is not 'extra label', it is specifically proscribed for oral use in cats in monosyllabic words, "Do Not Use in Cats".
deborah June 29th, 2008 11:16:00 PM
First I realize this started as a blog on communication (or lack there of) between Vets and Pet families and quickly became a debate regarding Metacam. What I would like is a response from Dr. Khuly and/or one of the other vets regarding questions I have on Metacam. I do not want to restart the debate on this medication.
I'll start with a little background on my little girl Mandy. My husband and I adopted her in 2004 from a well known and very reputable rescue shelter. According to the relinquishment form filled out by her first family, she was being given up due to allergies of a child. They stated she was 8 years old. Two years later we moved from Colorado to NM. We took her to a local vet for a check up shortly after we moved. This was 2006. We were told there was no way our Mandy was only 10 years old as the progression of her cataracts is not normally seen in a cat under 12 yrs of age. The vet estimated her age at 12 to 14. That now puts her age between 14 and 16.
We have had 2 other geriatric cats. One lived to be 17 and the other 20. So I have seen and lived with various changes age brings to cats.
On Thursday, July 24th, we took Mandy to our vet. She has quit grooming, having trouble getting on the bed even with steps (because of her sight loss, she has been using steps for a while now), and our already vocal little girl was getting even louder. We are guessing that she has had hip problems from an injury as she has always walked funny sometimes favoring her right hind leg. Her weight has also dropped from 10.5 pounds to 9 pounds in the last year. She never goes outside (except to be carried to the car) nor has she shown any interest in going out side.
Our vet did extensive blood work up after a thorough physical exam. The weight loss & muscle loss is being attributed to lack of mobility due to arthritis. Everything came back good with only a very, very slight abnormal level in kidney function which he stated is not unusual in older cats. He explained it as an old cat with old kidneys. He prescribed Metacam for 10 days which we started Friday. We were given a 1 ML vial of oral suspension. The dosing instructions are to give 0.1 ML once daily on food and provides 4 refills. After everything I have read, I have several questions & concerns. I will be calling my vet in the morning, but would also like the opinion of the vets who wrote on this blog. Am I asking the right questions? Are there additional questions I need to ask?
1. Is the dosing appropriate for her weight?
2. Do we refill the script after 10 days & continue treatment (assuming she is getting relief)?
3. What signs do we need to watch for that would indicate over dosage, kidney toxicity, or other adverse reaction?
4. The dosing is not accurate for several reasons. What can I do differently?
A. Because the dose is small, the dosing syringe is small with small markings. I'm very near sighted and wear bifocals which makes it even harder. I've read where others are dosing by # of drops. Is this a more or less accurate way to dose?
B. There is no way to tell how much of her food she is going to eat, so no way to tell if she is getting all of the medication. How much of a problem will this cause? She nibbles on dry food, but we started supplementing with canned to help keep her weight up. She won't eat it if it is cold, so I do warm her food in the microwave. (Yes, she is spoiled.) I've been putting the medication on the wet food as I at least get an idea of how much she is eating.
We live in a small apartment and I keep her litter box in my bathroom so I know when she is having problems with bowel or bladder. Her only real problem in this area is that she doesn't always realize that she is not far enough in the box and the urine goes outside the box (due to her poor eyesight). I do keep her litter box area very clean - FYI Human, adult, extra absorbency under pads are excellent in protecting all types of flooring. The liquid is contained and disposal is easy, making it easier to control the odor. I also use a deeper litter box, but with her mobility problems, I cut out part of one end so she can walk in and out of the litter box. Since she was declawed (prior to our adoption), I put the litter box in a trash bag before putting in the cat litter.
I am teased about how far I go to keep her litter box clean, but our last kityy, Otis, died from aflotoxin destroying his liver. It probably came from mold. The only guess we had where he could have come into contact with mold was the litterbox. We were using a litterbox that automaticlly scooped the litter 10 minutes after the cat left the box. Because you don't completely change the litter every week and that the collection box was changed only once a week instead of being scooped and disposed of daily. I know, I'm totally off on another topic, but I write this to let you know that because of what happened to Otis, I am more vigilant and do not take anything at face value when caring for my kids. I'm not a fanatic, just careful.
Brenda July 27th, 2008 07:30:00 PM
,
BACKGROUND
Patches is a 14 year old male feline with a healthy history. In mid-February, 2008 he is showing some difficulty in his movements.
On February 29, 2008, he is diagnosed by Hudson Valley Animal Hospital, Valley Cottage, New York, with a chronic arthritic condition. Blood tests reveal borderline healthy kidney function. Otherwise he is in good condition.
He is given Metacam injection 0.3 mg/kg by Dr. Bridget Puzio at Hudson Valley Animal Hospital. Then oral Metacam 0.8 ml is given once daily for two days followed by 0.2 ml once daily every other day for two weeks. Never mentioned to the client at any time is the possible adverse reactions from the Metacam injection nor the FDA non-approval of oral usage in felines(see below for label warning).
Patches returns to the Hudson Valley Animal Hospital on July 25 after some of the arthritis symptoms returned. The other veterinarian, Derek A. Gadino, gives Patches a second injection of Metacam. Owner is not told of the possible adverse effects of the injection, nor told that a second injection is contraindicated on the Metacan label. In addition no blood testing is done to properly evaluate Patches' current condition. Owner is not told of the reason or need for a physical exam or blood test; owner is not told the name of the drug injected in either visit; and the owner is never advised of the high risks of a follow-on Metacam injection.
Patches begins losing weight in mid-August with unusual sluggishness and increased vomiting, two weeks after the second injection.. He is barely eating, and on September 4 is brought to the Vet at the Barn and seen by Gloria Binkowski,VMD. She exams him , gives a blood test and reports that he has serious liver and kidney deterioration. After giving antibiotics and supplements to get Patches to eat, Dr. Binkowsi reports no improvement. Dr. Binkowski recommends Patches be given an ultrasound scan for a more specific diagnosis.
The scan done on September 10 shows major failure in liver, gall bladder, kidney, stomach, pancreas, peritoneum and lymph nodes. His ultrasound is done by Dr. Atkins at the Valley Cottage Animal Hospital and she states that he has chronic renal disease, pancreatitis, and cholangiohepatitis with dehydration and jaundice.. It is recommended that aggressive medical management be instituted with IV fluids, liver aspirate and e-tube.
On September 12, Patches is admitted to the Valley Cottage Animal Hospital. After two days of hospitalization, he is in organ failure, and is euthanized on September 15.
FROM THE METACAM LABELS AND INSERTS
"Additional doses of meloxicam in cats are contraindicated, as no safe dosage for repeated NSAID administration has been established. ". In black label, the insert states, " Do not administer a second dose of meloxicam. Do not follow meloxicam with any other NSAID." But, a second dose was administered, despite the warning. Also, in the Metacam Oral Suspension label, which is used exclusively for canines, there is an additional bold letter warning for felines, " Do not use in cats." However, the oral suspension was used and no warning given by Dr. Puzio for the off-label use.
" When administering any NSAID, appropriate laboratory testing to establish hematological and serum biochemical baseline data is recommended prior to use in dogs and cats. All cats should undergo a thorough history and physical examination before administering meloxicam. Do not repeat dose in cats." No blood test nor exam was administered before his second Metacam injection.
"Foreign Experience: Repeated use in cats has been associated with acute renal failure and death. " This severe warning, stated in black label, was ignored with the second injection.
"Information for cat owners. Meloxicam, like other NSAIDs, is not free from adverse reactions. Owners should be advised of the potential for adverse reactions and be informed of the clinical signs associated with NSAID intolerance...Cat owners should be advised when their pet has received a meloxicam injection." In fact this narrow margin of safety with oral Metacam is reflected in the FDA's Adverse Drug Experience for June 9, 2006 where the agency reported that in 320 felines, 105 suffered kidney failure, 48 died and 35 cats had to euthanized.. Despite these statistics and warnings, neither Dr.Puzio or Dr. Gadino ever mentioned that Metacam was used on Patches nor the significant health risk to him.
I am outraged by the the loss of my pet! I cannot believe I lost my cat because of this incompetence. I want to save other animals from this fate.
Addendum
By Wendy C. Brooks, DVM, DipABVP
Educational Director, VeterinaryPartner.com Date Published: 11/1/2004 10:46:00 AM
Date Reviewed/Revised: 11/12/2007
Side Effects
The side effects of concern are the same with all NSAIDs: stomach ulceration, loss of kidney function, and inappropriate bleeding. These are dependent on the dose of medication used and on risk factors of the host (for example: an aged pet may not efficiently clear a dose of medication from its body leading to stronger and longer activity of the drug). There is also a particular idiosyncratic reaction for NSAIDs that has received a great deal of press. An idiosyncratic reaction is one that is neither dose-dependent nor predictable by any apparent host factor; it simply happens out of the blue. This particular idiosyncratic reaction is a liver toxicity that is rare enough that it did not show up in any of the initial 400 carprofen test subjects, nor in the U.K., and was not recognized until carprofen was used in over a million dogs in the U.S. after its release as the first NSAID. This reaction is reviewed below. While originally it was carprofen use that led to the recognition of this reaction, it is now felt that all veterinary NSAIDs have potential to cause this reaction.
The most common side effects of meloxicam are nausea, appetite loss, vomiting or diarrhea. If any of the above are noted, meloxicam should be discontinued and the pet brought in for a liver enzyme and renal parameter blood test. In most cases, the reaction is minor and resolves with symptomatic relief, but it is important to rule out whether or not the patient has more than just a routine upset stomach.
If a patient has borderline kidney function, NSAIDs should not be used as they reduce blood flow through the kidneys(my underline). It is also important that NSAIDS not be given to dehydrated patients because of this potential side effect. This is particularly true in cats.
The hepatopathy side effect (usually occurs within the first 3 weeks of use).
Albert October 6th, 2008 10:33:00 PM
albert, I am so very sorry about Patches. You should contact & visit www.metacamkills.com, if you have not already
Barbara A. Albright/New Hampshire October 6th, 2008 11:36:00 PM
Thank you I have visited the website and my dear friend's Patches photo is there. http://www.metacamkills.com/patch.html
Albert October 29th, 2008 10:59:00 PM
I think you are a vet with a heart and a conscience. It it not your fault.
Lea April 16th, 2009 06:01:03 PM
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