I just read a story this morning coming out of Ontario of a mixed breed pup who is being held on death row because he looks like a pit bull. I don't know if his owner knew he was a pit mix when she bought him or not, but now the law wants to kill him because he's got a fat head. Nothing like justice, right?

Such pointless heartbreak.

katie January 13th, 2008 11:25:00 AM

BSL is such a crock. Imo, its our pathetic politically correct way of hiding behind what could cause a fuss or infringe on a human's ever so important rights.. We are too wimpy to actually suggest that the criminals who mistreat and fight certain breeds be held accountable for their actions and instead we will kill dogs that may or may not be of a certain breed whether or not they have been shown to be dangerous. Unfreaking believable.

The unsavory characters will always find another breed. I'm old enough to remember GSD, Dobermans, then Rotties as they were nearly ruined by irresponsible breeding because they have the reputation as being tough dogs. I have my suspicions about the accuracy of the DNA tests and what is an acceptable percentage of Pit? I've always owned bully type dogs and I'll be the first to admit that these dogs are not for everyone, although there isn't a breed out there that I think is suitable for everyone. If I ever happen to be unfortunate to live in an area where my dog isn't welcome...I'm moving. Simple as that but what a shame. Its downright embarrassing to be a human sometimes.

Jules January 13th, 2008 12:08:00 PM

I also totally disagree with BSL. What are the powers-that-be thinking? Are they not aware that EVERYONE with a background/training/education in Animal Health/Animal Welfare/Animal Behaviour disagrees with BSL? Don't they have to consult someone with knowledge of the problem at hand before passing legislation? It makes me so mad! Are they going to ban Mastiffs, Dogo Argentinos, American Bulldogs, Presa Canarios too? How can they tell some of those apart from pitties? What about Akitas, Shiba Inus, Chows, and Cocker Spaniels? (IME also all dogs more likely to bite a person than a pitty)
I would support some kind of ban on the breeding of pitties. In my area (like the entire province) I don't believe there is one ethical breeder of these dogs. ( I am in Canada and Pit Bulls are not a recognized breed and not registerable with the CKC) All the breeding is done in backyards by 20 year old men that sell them to other teenagers/young people that have little experience raising dogs period. Most of the dogs end up in shelters or being euthanised at vet clinics for lack of funds when they get parvo or break a leg. A lot of them are exported to the States for dog fighting.
With so many in our shelters I just don't see why banning the act of breeding them would be a bad thing.

Meghan RAHT January 13th, 2008 01:01:00 PM

"With so many in our shelters I just don't see why banning the act of breeding them would be a bad thing."

I presume you mean banning only breeding by disreputable "breeders." After all a total ban on breeding would amount to letting them all die out.
Additionally a ban like that is completely unenforceable, much like BSL.

And just to play devil's advocate. The less scrupulous breeders may not ensuring that they are breeding the finest specimens or handing them over to prepared responsible homes, however, the large number of pit bulls does ensure genetic diversity within the breed. I would hate to see a very limited gene pool for these wonderful dogs and see them go the way of the CKCS.

Then again in my humble opinion dogs should be bred for working ability, not looks ;)

AdoptedAPBTs January 13th, 2008 01:57:00 PM

Meghan RAHT, You say you don't support Breed Specific Legislation, but you do approve of a ban against pit bulls. I find that contradictory. You also say it is not a breed recognized by the Canadian Kennel Club. Pit bulls are not a specific breed of dog, they are a type and bans against pit bulls include American Staffordshire Terriers and Staffordshire Bull Terriers (usually by name) which are recognized by the CKC. The Ontario ban on pit bulls specifically names these breeds.

Linda H January 13th, 2008 06:30:00 PM

If you ban breeding, you are, in effect, ending the breed. First off, it's never going to happen. There are pit bull puppies still coming out of Ontario even though you're not allowed to have an intact pit bull there. Second, just because it's not a CKC breed doesn't mean that the American Pit Bull Terrier is not a breed, and just as valuable to their owners and fanciers as any other breed. The first American Pit Bull Terrier was registered with the United Kennel Club in 1898. There are breeders out there breeding correct APBTs and breeding them well. You just don't hear about them because they're not producing the dogs who are in trouble and because they don't advertise because they don't want to deal with the public harassment. Their dogs don't end up in shelters or on the news because they are responsible about the dogs they produce and where they place them.

katie January 13th, 2008 06:36:00 PM

I love pitties, staffies and bulldogs! It is just that all of the dogs I see come from irresponsible back yard breeders (mostly kids). They are nice dogs (with people) and some of my favorite patients. I would however like to see these kids stopped, or at least hindered in their ability to mass produce puppies that have a limited market. I recognize that it would be difficult (if not impossible) to ban only the irresponsible breeders but something needs to be done. I also have a hard time believing that this breed would die out because as many of you have pointed out- most legislation has many holes.

At my local level I would like to see some of the bitches and studs seized from the kids that own them (for whatever bylaw violation fits) and then returned only after spay and neuter. I realize these kids will just go out and get another breeding pair and start again but IME the dog "breeding" "business" is usually just a passing fad for these people. They are not dedicated to the hobby! In fact most of the bitches and studs are given away to friends or shelters when the owners get bored of breeding. Maybe if it was more of a hassle to breed- they would give up a little sooner.

I am only sharing what I have seen in my area. Like I said I have not seen or heard of any reputable bully-breed breeders locally. I cannot speak for other areas. I really don't have a problem with responsible breeding but at the same time I have a hard time taking the side of anyone who breeds more dogs while adoptable puppies are euthanized. Most of the dogs in my local shelters are pitties and pitty mixes. They are hard to find homes for and a lot of them are PTS. I don't mean to offend :) One of my close friends breeds Retrievers and I have many aquaintances in the show-world. It's just my point of view.

Meghan RAHT January 13th, 2008 08:15:00 PM

Again, the a------- will always find another breed. there's no sense spending our resources legislating against one in particular and enforcing its extinction. It won't happen without huge expenses best allocted elsewhere. It's a HUGE red herring to when it come to efficient use of taxpayer's dollars.

Dr. Patty Khuly January 13th, 2008 08:21:00 PM

FYI....from my conversations with the people at Mars Veterinary about the DNA test for mixed breeds, they have told me that there is no way to definitively ID a "pit bull" with their current testing. Pit bulls have too diverse of a background to show up as a "breed" with this testing.

Tomcat1765 January 13th, 2008 08:41:00 PM

"At my local level I would like to see some of the bitches and studs seized from the kids that own them (for whatever bylaw violation fits) and then returned only after spay and neuter."

Assuming that these kids want them back after the dogs are no longer profitable. They are much more likely to leave the s/n dogs at the shelter to die and get another breeding pair.
And since your local shelter doesn't adopt out pitties you've just found them a faster route to the needle.
I also object, on principle, to giving anyone the authority to seize my dogs for minor violations (licensing, leash laws, etc), especially for first time offences. Because laws like this don't affect just the "bad guys" they affect everyone.

Want to help the bullies in your community? Start educating people, responsible bully owners are out there, and willing to help. My girls are adoption event greeters at a local shelter, they participate in breed education and responsible owner events and they are out and about town playing with children, other dogs and anyone they can sucker into a good tummy rub. Try talking to your shelter about starting a bully adoption program, even for a few temperament tested dogs.
Instead of waiting for legislation to take care of a problem, take action and stand up for what you believe in.

As a side note you mentioned that there aren't many responsible breeders of bullies in your town. I bet most breeds don't have ethical breeders in your area either. Ethical, responsible breeders for any breed are few and far in between.

AdoptedAPBTs January 13th, 2008 09:26:00 PM

Talk of BSL always makes my head spin...I always want to be correct and say I am totally against it, but then I remember how relieved I was when my neighbor's son moved out with his two APBT's.

The person that stated that dogs that should be bred for working ability and not looks, needs to define "work". Is it the job the breed was originally developed to do or the one we have decided to do for fun? Are you breeding for agility, obedience, weight pulls, field trials ? Looks also help a dog in working...different structure, angulations, coat type, size, even feet, etc. aid a dog in their "job". Some looks that are artificial, cropping & docking, initially had a purpose, even the (admittedly now extreme) continental clip on poodles, or lion clip on Porties. If you are breeding for only one aspect of the dog, I think you are wrong.

As far as stating that the APBT was registered in 1898 with UKC. Well yes, because UKC was formed FOR the APBT and to promote it's sport (dog foghting) in a period when it was still legal and not as morally repugnant as most find it now.

Jan January 13th, 2008 11:05:00 PM

Has everyone seen www.lawdogsusa.org ? Great site and great way to show that they aren't the big bad evil. (they were even in Bark Mag recently)

I am banging my head on the wall with the prison I do a program with. Some of the guards, not the warden, have taken issue with having pits there so they aren't allowed. It makes me crazy. Especially since they refuse to listen to any real facts on the subject. I flout LawDogs as often as possible. I just wish more departments would get on board too.

I have heard that in parts of Canada even our frenchies would be suspect and could be taken just for being a bully breed. Ridculous doesn't begin to cover it.

Marie January 14th, 2008 12:30:00 AM

Dog owners with a serious interest in canine genome, who had registered dogs submitted samples for some of the prototype 'ID' tests in the previous year or so. They were interested to find that purebred dogs could not yet be identified as purebreds =and= at best, only relational family clades identified in their genetic clusters could be suggested for possible ID. It was amusing since some purebreds (with champion bloodlines) were identified as mixes and some purebreds were identified as having 50% or more of some breed type that is not actually part of the dog's breed origins or make up.

Even if they are establishing a better baseline for identifying breeds genetically, the pit bull type dogs will very likely remain confounding because they have such a broad population base with variable phenotype and cluster orgins.

As to identifying dogs on sight........
There are some visual just 'for fun' photo tests, on what is a pit bull.
Here's one. Can you identify the "pit bull"?
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.ht...

Semavi Lady January 14th, 2008 05:07:00 AM

Semavi Lady...you are exactly right and that is the reason that Mars did not release a "purebred" test first. Imagine that you have a "German" Rottweiler. You send in blood and your test results come back non-purebred! The reason this happens is exactly what you said...some lines were not included in the original testing to find breed markers and therefore won't show up in the "purebred" test. Mars assures me that they are working on this and a purebred test will likely be available in the foreseeable future.

But, as you mentioned, since "pit bulls" are not truly a breed in and of themselves, there will never truly be a way of properly identifying them genetically.

Forget BSL, forget mandatory SNL...write tougher aggressive dog laws and then find the means to enforce them! And yes, this may mean an increase in taxes or some sort of licensing to generate money to increase enforcement. Couple this with education and we just might start making some headway. My 25 cents worth.....

Tomcat1765 January 14th, 2008 09:32:00 AM

Where is the AKC and their high priced lawyers when we really need them? When they perceive it's in the interest of their ability to register more litters they're right there at the forefront of the fight but they're pretty quiet about BSL.

Cedarfield January 14th, 2008 10:16:00 AM

The AKC is out there working...check the Legislative Alerts section of the website.

Jan January 14th, 2008 03:38:00 PM

"Talk of BSL always makes my head spin...I always want to be correct and say I am totally against it, but then I remember how relieved I was when my neighbor's son moved out with his two APBT's."

I just have to ask why you were so relieved. Was it because the dogs were a threat? If so, how could the owner have done better job of managing them?

"The person that stated that dogs that should be bred for working ability and not looks, needs to define "work". Is it the job the breed was originally developed to do or the one we have decided to do for fun? Are you breeding for agility, obedience, weight pulls, field trials ? Looks also help a dog in working...different structure, angulations, coat type, size, even feet, etc. aid a dog in their "job". Some looks that are artificial, cropping & docking, initially had a purpose, even the (admittedly now extreme) continental clip on poodles, or lion clip on Porties. If you are breeding for only one aspect of the dog, I think you are wrong."

That was me *waves* I would call both of those (original and fun) work. In the case of the bullies, they were originally bred to work bulls. To do that they had to be strong, courageous and fast on their feet. For many breeds their original job is no longer available where they live, or necessary to their owners; so we have substitutes in the form of dog sports.
The point is to preserve the original temperament and drives of working dogs from when they were just "types" and not "breeds."
For a type many of the physical attributes that help them do their job are present, but not exaggerated like they would be in a show breed. Case and point? Find me a Bulldog that can still work a bull. A German Shepherd who can still herd?
The type was so exaggerated by conformation breeding that it is no longer recognizable, or useful as a working dog. I value temperament, health and working drives much more than what a kennel club deems pretty. IMO breeding solid working dogs is not breeding for one aspect at all, but rather taking the most important aspects all into consideration.
Which is why I think that allowing only the AKC registered ASTs to continue breeding (currently weighing in at 80lbs and thus too big and slow to work a bull)* or the UKC which will allow dogs weighing 100-120lbs to register as purebred (when the standard calls for a dog 30-60 lbs) could be detrimental to the breed. Sure the dogs have titles, but what does that really prove?

For more ranting on this subject see here: http://lassiegethelp.blogspot.com/2007/12/on-title...
Disclaimer: This is not my blog

*I also don't know of any ASTs (that are not ILP'ed) competing successfully in modern dog sports, but if anyone knows some I'd appreciate a tip

AdoptedAPBTs January 14th, 2008 04:14:00 PM

AdoptedAPBT: check out the the results from the national. There are quite a few that are not ILP'ed that are doing very well out there.

http://www.amstaff.org/2007results.htm

Jess January 14th, 2008 04:32:00 PM

I understand how futile any legislation, to control irresponsible breeding, would be. It is just a little dream that I have :) As a tech I do my best to educate but it is like banging my head against a wall. People only hear what they want to hear.

AdoptedAPBTs:
I never said that my local shelters would not adopt out pitties. They do- there just aren't enough takers and probably 50% of the pitties that are surrendered are not pet material. There are also several breed specific rescues in my province that are continually maxed out. And there are several great breeders in my town but they rarely have puppies ;)

Meghan RAHT January 14th, 2008 05:33:00 PM

"As far as stating that the APBT was registered in 1898 with UKC. Well yes, because UKC was formed FOR the APBT and to promote it's sport (dog foghting) in a period when it was still legal and not as morally repugnant as most find it now."

Sure. But does that un-make the APBT as a breed? How is that different than, say, the JRTCA? Jack Russells are without dispute a breed, despite their refusal to be included in the AKC. The AKC recognized the APBT as a true breed when they waved their magic pencils and created the AmStaff from UKC APBTs that had petitioned for inclusion in the 1930s. There are still many dual-registered dogs out there.

katie January 14th, 2008 07:56:00 PM

Big dogs scare me. ALL big dogs scare me at first, even my friend's charming Golden Retriever who loves everyone but hates small dogs (he's attacked several). It's a question of mechanics and size. I drive a Matrix; I'd rather be hit by a nasty tempered Morris Mini than a mild mannered Expedition. Less damage from the Mini, or the dachshund or spaniel or terrier.
I've never had a good interaction with a pit bull, or a Rottweiler, or most German Shepards. The female pit bull who lives in the yard on the corner has cost me close to $1000 in emergency room and emergency vet bills over the years. Whenever I call Animal Services the dog disappears. The last time I called, when I had merely walked my dogs on the side walk, it reached out under the fence and started a fight with my 30-pound female Corgi-Lab mix before I could do anything. She lost an incisor. Animal Control said I was negligent for not having my dog under control! I don't use that side walk any more, but on my less magnanimous days, I wonder if that dog would like some chocolate for a snack...
When I lived in Indiana on the edge of a corn field, there were lots of free-roaming dogs, but very few people were bitten. The dogs could always run away, and the property bounderies weren't as definite. Maybe cooping big dogs (and small dogs?) up has caused dogs to be more protective and bite-ready. Fences may make good neighbors but maybe they make bad dogs. Maybe the problem is big dogs in small fenced yards, with the urge to defend being inversely proportional to the size of the defended area. Condos often have size regulations for pets. Maybe a solution is to have regulations on dog sizes in general in urban and suburban areas.
Has a Jack Russel or a Dachsund ever killed anyone?

Heather January 15th, 2008 12:29:00 AM

Whoops! The Chicago Tribune link doesn't appear to work. Here is a replacement
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/dog.mutilates.genital...

Sorry about the clutter :(

AdoptedAPBTs January 15th, 2008 11:26:00 AM

Adopted APBTs

Your links are laughable and really only prove Heathers point. In all those cases little damage was inflicted. I think everyone knows that ANY size of dog can be aggressive. Heathers point is that the damage inflicted is proportional to the size of the dog. If that Police officer had been attacked by a pack of Pit Bulls he would not have been able to return to work 2 hours later!

I think you give too much credit to the general public when you suggest education as an answer. Not that we should give up trying to educate, but it isn't the only solution. While you yourself seem very educated on dog behaviour, have you ever been in the postition of trying to educate the general public? Trust me- it isn't easy. And my worst students are my family!!!!

"Fences may make good neighbors but maybe they make bad dogs."

Heather- I have long wondered the same. It always seems to me that those big intact farm dogs that wander freely from house to house are always so mellow and happy no matter what the size or breed. Not that I advocate that type of ownership as at the vet clinic these are also the usual hit-by-car patients, but boundries like fences and doorways are a common trigger for aggressive episodes.

Meghan RAHT January 15th, 2008 01:08:00 PM

Just to add- I realize that in two of the links (I hadn't read the Chicago Tribune one yet) that serious damage WAS inflicted on two INFANTS. IMO it doesn't matter what the size or breed when you are talking about babies or children. NO DOG should ever be left unsupervised with a baby, that was just stupidity on the adults part.

Meghan RAHT January 15th, 2008 01:16:00 PM

I assume that the APBT part of AdoptedAPBTs stands for American Pit Bull Terrier, which maybe explains the defensive tone of the comments.

"Did you ever think that maybe this was because you are afraid of large dogs, and therefore your body language makes them uneasy?"

Did you really mean to imply that people fearful of dogs are causing their own problems? This comment made me think of the woman with the Pesa Canarios in SF. She claimed that the victim's perfume caused the dogs attack.

I think my body language re:dogs is fairly good. I've dealt with dogs, and other larger animals, all my life. Most of my animal scars are from rabbits. I'm just cautious. I've even owned a Shepard and a female Rottweiler-Golden Retriever mix. The Shepard was fine in most circumstances, but I had to give the Rotty mix back the original owner when my son arrived. She was just too jealous and I didn't want to take any chances. No amount of exercise or attention was going to overcome her jealousy. The spaniel (a "biting breed") I had at the same time was no problem. He stayed.
I also think that all dogs, large and small, have to be watched closely around children, for both the children's and the dogs" sake.

"However, I do have to wonder why AC said you were not in control of your dog. I presume your dogs knows a solid heel command so that she can ignore other dogs when they misbehave and that they were on leash. Right? "

I never had a chance, and she was on a leash. The dog wasn't misbehaveing, she attacked from under the fence. She gave no warning . I eventually got my dog away from the fence, but breaking up a dog fight is not easy and I didn't want to get bitten (this dog had already attacked me once when it got loose during a hurricane and I was trying to keep it from attacking a 5 year old.) As for AC, the person on the phone told me the pit bull was defending its territory and that I should have walked on the other side of the sidewalk because there are no county regulations concerning fence distances from the ground!
I didn't mention the akita on the other corner in the yard with the decorative gate that has holes big enough for the dog to get his whole head and neck out. I can't walk on that side walk either.

"The key here is not legislation but education."

I think both are prudent. People tend to be very emotional about pets, and emotions are difficult to control. And many people simply won't learn what they don't want to learn. All types of activities are limited. I can't legally raise chickens in my back yard in the neighborhood I live, though I'd like to.I can't legally drive my car 60 mph in a residential area, even when there's no traffic or pedestrians. In many communities, it's illegal to own large cats. Some communities (Rekyavik) ban dogs altogether. The neighboring city fines residents if they paint their houses a wrong color. My point was that larger dogs are potentially more dangerous than smaller dogs because of their size, and that size limits in areas of denser human population might decrease the number of fatal dog attacks.

"Cities providing more off-leash exercise areas for dogs, and low-cost training options would go a lot further in preventing problem behaviors."

I don't know where you live, but my area (Dade County, Florida) is very park poor. There are continual disagreements about the use of park land. In my area, the argument is about whether adult sports leagues should be allowed to use the new playing fields at night. One side (the neighboring homeowners) assumes that adults are noisier and messier.
In any case, it's tough enough getting people to pay taxes to support activities for children and the elderly. And in my area, dog obediance classes are fairly cheap.

"I don't see why the poor choices of a few should limit my right to responsibly own any dog I choose, especially when small dogs can exhibit the exact same problem behaviors as large dogs."

Yes, the behavoirs can be the same, but the result is less often fatal with smaller dogs. The pack of chihuahuas didn't kill the postman. And I'm sure they were dealt with as biting dogs and are now on notice.
I'm currently trying to retrain a rescued Border terrier. Google "terrier nipping", and a lot of literary references to "terriers nipping at the heels" appear first. Small dog behavoir is part of the literary culture. I've always wanted a terrier, but I knew the risks. I love him dearly, but he's still on probation.
It's not the poor choices of a few that are the curent problem, in my opionion. It's the poor choices of the many. In these instances, limits of some sort are often imposed. Some of them help solve a problem.

Heather January 15th, 2008 02:24:00 PM

Meghan,
I was under the impression that Heather’s point was
“Maybe a solution is to have regulations on dog sizes in general in urban and suburban areas.”
But I think I get it now.
Expecting dog owners to know that children should not be left alone with dogs is common sense.
Expecting owners to exercise their dogs is too much to ask.
Maybe we should create legislation to prevent people with children from having dogs, just in case.
/sarcasm.

Heather,
“I assume that the APBT part of AdoptedAPBTs stands for American Pit Bull Terrier, which maybe explains the defensive tone of the comments.”

It does indeed, and I admit to being a little defensive when I read comments like yours. After all how would you feel if you were bombarded every day with suggestions that the world would be much better off without your well-trained, well-socialized dog? A dog that you’ve put years of work into to make sure that he is an excellent example of what his breed can be? Its part of what bully owners sign up for, but that doesn’t mean we have to like it or take it lying down; especially when such opinions are more often based on fear than fact.

I didn’t mean to imply that the victim’s fear of dogs is the ONLY cause of a bad interaction. Just like perfume isn’t the cause of an attack, but it could be a contributing factor. There is rarely a dog bite that was not the combination of the wrong people, the wrong dog and the wrong situation at the wrong time; there is also rarely a dog bite that couldn’t have been prevented. These issues are complex, as I am sure you are aware.

This might seem like a silly question, but why would you let your dog go sniffing under the fence of a dog you know to be aggressive? When you knew the aggressive dog was in loose in the yard?
Not that the pit bull’s behavior (or her owners’ lack of control) arel excusable, but you seem to support legislation to solve all inappropriate behavior. Should we make a law about how far dogs walked on leash can get to another dog’s fence line?

“My point was that larger dogs are potentially more dangerous than smaller dogs because of their size, and that size limits in areas of denser human population might decrease the number of fatal dog attacks.”
Right, but how many fatal dog attacks are there in a given year in this country?
According to these (slightly outdated) statistics we are much more likely to die because of car accidents, firearms, disease and suicide and murder, dogs didn't make the cut off.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/osp/charts.htm
So does it really make sense to legislate heavily against something that is not a significant risk of death or injury? If so how do we determine what the cut off point is? Do we legislate everything that could ever injure, disfigure or kill even one person? At what point do we take preventative instead of punitive measures?

I find it very funny that you would suggest legislation to deal with the "large dog problem", when you admit that your neighbor in Miami-Dade County as a pit bull. I am sure you are aware that they have been banned in the county since 1989. If the law on one medium breed can’t be enforced, how do you expect to have a law on all large breed dogs be effective?

AdoptedAPBTs January 15th, 2008 04:28:00 PM

I guess I'm defensive also because in my opinion it is largely a case of human error. Interesting that there is always the mention of a Pit Bull and this time with an Akita thrown in for good measure, sheesh. I raised a Mastiff and an Akita in the inner city and under no circumstances did I walk them close by a dog inside a fenced yard. No sense getting my dogs or the resident dog aggitated or grabbed, imo.

To me when someone starts out saying they are afraid of big dogs and then admits they had to give back a big dog due to the "potential" of behavior issues and now with another one now "on probation" sure makes me to think that there were other things going on here.

Jules January 15th, 2008 05:08:00 PM

"I also don't know of any ASTs (that are not ILP'ed) competing successfully in modern dog sports, but if anyone knows some I'd appreciate a tip"

In AKC agility, 3 of the top ASTs are registered AKC purebreds (not "ILP", of unknown heritage): "Ria", "Emma" and "Joey" (this last dog happens to be an AKC CH as well). ASTs descend, of course, from UKC APBTs and many of the top weightpull and agility dogs in UKC are registered APBTs. Virtually all of the Staffy bulls competing in agility, obedience and weightbull are registered AKC/UKC of known parentage (there are very few rescue SBTs of unknown parentage in this country).

OF COURSE purebred APBTs and ASTs can compete modern dog sport.

The APBT (at least the UKC variety, since the ADBA accepted merles until recently; that color is genetically impossible for an APBT) is at least as much of a "purebred" as any other "purebred". Which I admit might not be saying very much.

The notion that it is somehow made up of more pieces than other purebreds is simply ahistorical nonsense.

What people call "pit bulls" are dogs of a variety of unknown parentage. Just because someone thinks a dog is a "pit bull" does not mean it's an APBT or an AST.

There IS a purebred dog called the APBT. And an identical purebred dog called the AST.

EmilyS January 15th, 2008 05:21:00 PM

What is the potential behavoir of a Rotty growling at a toddler?
I think an education campaign about children and dogs is a great idea. When I was a child, my neighbors' child was killed in its crib by their German Shepard. I was bitten enough by Dachshunds (the trendy dog at the time) that I approach them carefully too. I was taught to approach all unknown dogs with caution and big dogs or "guard type" dogs were less common. I'm not the only one I know who thinks that aggression in dogs is more of a problem now.
Yet I still have dogs, even though my liability insurance went up when I got the terrier.
As for the "unenforceable" Dade County Pit Bull ban, the NUMBER of these dogs, and all threatening or loose dogs in general has gone down since 1989, as least in my neighborhood based on my dog-walking data. Maybe I'm making a mistake by not carrying a walking stick anymore. Like the leash laws, these types of laws rarely result in 100% compliance, but they do give the police an extra regulation to enforce if they deem it necessary (and they can find the dog.) If nothing else, it's helped make people more aware and more willing to confront dog owners. The neighborhood is now starting to try to get more people to pick up after their dogs. (Another advantage of small dogs -less to pick up!) The pit bull at the corner bit a neighbor's child recently, so we'll see how the non-breed specific biting dog ordinance works now.

Heather

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