Vetcetera What makes a veterinarian want to take on a shelter job?

February 24th, 2008  

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Congrats! Sounds like a challenge, albeit a satisfying one. Shelters need all the help they can get.
This is a particularly interesting post to me, as I am also considering offering my services (veterinary nurse. ) after I move house, to the local cat shelter if they need it. I am sure that shelters need nurses less than they need vets but hey, the offer will be there.
I for one look forward to hearing your future adventures with this side - line!

Aileen Albon February 24th, 2008 06:51:00 PM

Yah! Another vet with shelter experience. I can't tell you how disheartening it is for those of us who volunteer at shelters to hear from adoptive parents that their vet has negative things to say about the shelter based on the fact that they see new patients (adopted animals) with URI or ringworm. There will now be one more vet in the world who knows through experience this important fact: most shelter cats and kittens gets URI. Even in a shelter with perfect protocols, cats get stressed and get sick. The stress of moving into the adoptive home can cause illness as well. We really aren't using kitties as bio weapons programmed to disseminate FHV and FCV as widely as possible. I promise.

And I don't want to open a can of worms here, but ringworm is skin deep. The darn spores all over the place whether we see signs or not, and I don't think too many shelters can afford to culture intakes when there are no visible signs. Why can't we just live with the fact that it's just a bit ugly but it's self-limiting and it'll go away? I know--it's got "zoonotic potential." But why do animal doctors care so much more about people getting infected with ringworm than people doctors do? D.V.M.'s act like it's a plague and M.D.'s (in my experience) tell you to get a tube of lotrimin if you happen to get a lesion. I can't stand the fact that many shelters euthanize otherwise healthy cats for ringworm. I think vets have a lot of influence on the public perception of ringworm infection, which in turn makes it acceptable to euthanize for a superficial condition.

Wow! Didn't mean to vent there, Dr. K. I just wish every vet had to experience shelter medicine now and then, not so we'd all agree, but so we'd all at least understand each other. Thank you for doing it! And congrats on getting paid for it. ; )

Heather#2 February 24th, 2008 08:15:00 PM

They certainly do need you and BLESS YOU for helping those that need you most!

Pam Holt February 25th, 2008 05:25:00 AM

So, what about rabbit spays? Will you be doing -- or learning them, too? I just ask because we're probably all looking at the PetConnection link from the bunny rescuer who was re-inspired by Winograd. I had no idea that bunnies had such specailized needs and that so few vets knew how to spay a bunny.

Dorene February 25th, 2008 10:27:00 AM

Don't forget Guinea Pig neutering (tongue-in-cheek). I have a g-pig I rescued from my local spca - he was neutered very young by the foster-mum’s vet (she intended to keep him with her herd). As a result of not having enough fatty padding he developed a hernia (very common) and then an abscess around the hernia. It was a nightmare. I call him my $1K piggy. He is healthy and hearty now.

Julie February 25th, 2008 11:35:00 AM

Dorene: Spaying bunnies is easy. Anesthetizing them is harder. It's hard to justify spaying bunnies when you don't know what you would do in an emergency. That's my problem. I did know one great vet who spayed bunies on the cheap but he's since moved to LA. The other ones I know who will do it charge the same as for a small dog. That's OK for a responsible bunny owner, I think. But for a rescue? I feel for her.

Dr. Patty Khuly February 25th, 2008 12:29:00 PM

To Heather2 - the shelter I used to volunteer at euthanized if ringworm was suspected. It was frustrating and heart breaking that animals were put down for something superficial.

And speaking of rabbits. in my experience the neuter was more important then spaying the ladies. Un-altered males spray all over the place and the hormones can increase the stress level of all the rabbits in the area.

And if you've ever been sprayed by rabbit who had dead eye aim 12 feet away, you'd be in favor of neutering them all if resources allow. (thankfully this was not me who caught this rabbit's flavor)

cheshire February 25th, 2008 05:53:00 PM

Has "Heather" posted lately? Maybe I can stop calling myself Heather#2 and move into first position.
: )

Cheshire, I thought tom cats were gross. I've never had the pleasure of hanging out with an intact male bunny though!

Heather#2 February 25th, 2008 06:02:00 PM

That's nice that you are doing that.

For little pay.

Where I live, there is lots of suspicion that the vets who "work with" the local shelter have had it good for years. These guys are known to be expensive to begin with, so cutting their price a little for a steady stream of extra income with animals they can "practice" on sounds like a good deal to me. Frankly, I suspect one of them was outright gauging the local shelter, or else just had it too cozy with one of the directors.

Then again, its dudes I'm talking about.

According to that 1999 KPMG report
(http://www.avma.org/reference/mega715c.pdf)
female vets charge less than male vets, and the male vets seem to be freaking out about it. In fact, the old guard of Male-dominated vet-dom is SO freaked out at the trends which show the professional will become female dominated, they don't know what to do with themselves. (I say that not just from the report, but conversations with an Old Guard vet and someone who talks to lots of Old Guard vets). The KPMG report actually implies that female vets are to blame for holding down the earnings of all vets (i.e., male vets).

I think the trend is a good thing.

Stefani February 25th, 2008 06:34:00 PM

Just to clarify -- When I say the trend is a good thing, I mean the trend toward women dominating the profession, not any downward push on income. I just see women as more compassionate, and that is one of the most important factors to being a good vet.

Stefani February 25th, 2008 06:36:00 PM

Stefani: Yep. We're accused of a lot of what's wrong with the profession these days. Mostly, they blame it on us wanting to have babies. Could be worse. Some might want to blame it on our distracting feminine wiles...

Dr. Patty Khuly February 25th, 2008 06:59:00 PM

I read this blog semi-regularly and see you talking often about sheltering, though your experience seems a bit limited. Have you contacted the association of shelter veterinarians for advice, to swap stories, tips, or questions? I've never seen you mention them. I think they have fairly active forums.

Their website is: http://www.sheltervet.org/

Perhaps speaking to more veterinarians involved in sheltering will give you a wider view of things. Shelter medicine isn't necessarily quite so bleak or behind the times as this blog sometimes seems to paint it.

Lurker February 25th, 2008 10:35:00 PM

Lurker: With all due respect, my shelter is bleak and behind the times--by their own admission. The new director has the world on her head as a result. It's one of the biggest, most underfunded shelters in the country. I'm sure that colors my view adversely as to shelter conditions nationwide--perhaps unfairly, I'll readily admit.

And thanks for the recommendation on the association of shelter vets. I'm certainly aware of them but haven't been in contact. I do regularly lurk on VIN (the Vet Information Network) where shelter issues are discussed. Does it count that I regularly donate to my alma maters shelter medicine program? Maybe not. I'm always willing to chage my views when presented new evidence and experiences, though. Thanks for the reality check.

Dr. Patty Khuly February 26th, 2008 10:01:00 AM

I feel certain that animal shelters across the country "practices, principles, and needs" vary as widely as the veterinarians that take on the responsibility and devotion to shelter work.

Like Stefani, and after my horrendous experience with Pocket, here in New Hampshire, I can't help but wonder, if many professionals are not all altruistic with this line of work.

Look forward to your posts about experiences, at one that is truly underfunded and in need; since the general public, including myself for many years, naively considered all shelters collectively, to be.

Barbara A. Albright February 26th, 2008 02:15:00 PM

First of all, veterinarians understand zoonotic diseases far far far better than human doctors. Many human doctors wouldn't even recognize ringworm properly, and even if they know what it is they do not have much experience with it. Veterinarians see it all the time and understand it, and they know that some people really get their panties in a bunch about animal zoonoses - so veterinarians have the responsibility to educate people and warn them of potential zoonoses. There have been many lawsuits to vets who did not (in people's eyes) make it clear enough that there was a zoonotic potential, so vets need to CYA and tell people about zoonoses.

I have heard of many situations where human doctors ill advised people to get rid of (or even euthanize) their pets out of fear of zoonoses - human doctors are totally out of line doing this and they do not have the knowledge to make these kinds of decisions.

I'm sorry you have been so mislead into thinking that vets care more about the diseases people can get from animals. That coulndn't be farther from the truth.

Yasmin, DVM July 18th, 2008 01:05:00 PM

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