Owners of intact animals are less likely to seek veterinary assistance because of a fear of being reported to local authorities or a fear of fines associated with their intact animal. --

I agree, the problem is responsible breeders/owners will be weary - The puppy millers who are contributing to the pet overpopulation problem dont routinely seek vet care so they wont even be effected ?  isn't this act or law only going to effect those who are responsible law abiding citizens ?  those who are most likely contributing to the "problem" aren't going to the vet anyways or will just laugh at it ?

if a vet has to report a client that will seriously hamper the reletionship !  It also concerns me that the "law" can mandate surgical alteration of any living creature.....The time and money put into these acts really should be diverted to education...

LC January 24th, 2009 09:37:57 AM

Not related to spay and neuter but despite breed bans in other countries dog bites/attacks have not decreased (duh)  I think that relates to this in that mandatory spay/nuets won't decrease population

news story http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/01/21/2471042.htm?section=justin

LC January 24th, 2009 09:42:08 AM

I like what you have to say & the way you've said it. There probably isn't a congressman alive who understands that there really can be reasons to keep dogs & cats intact. You've pointed out those reasons very nicely & clearly. Here in CT there's a hands free law stating that no driver may drive & talk on a phone at the same time unless he or she is using a hands free device. That's about as enforceable a law as the mandatory neuter law would be.

Ellie January 24th, 2009 09:47:54 AM

Let me see if I understand correctly: dogs like Goodman, who where planned for a spey, found to have ehrlichiosis, are undergoing treatment (and improving) but not yet with a platelet count which is safe forsurgery, would have to go under the knife anyway by that law, regardless of a very real life threatning risk of doing so, just bcause he is of a certain age?

Xslf January 24th, 2009 10:27:38 AM

I want to know what the exceptions are.  One of my coworkers always has a purebred lab for a pet, and does not spay/neuter him/her until later in life.  Her reasoning is that if the dog has excellent behavior and health, she wants his/her genes to go back into the breed's pool, but if the dog does not she will not breed him/her.  You cannot fully know the dog's quality until you've observed for a while, but the dog is primarily a pet, not a breeder. I have also heard that spaying/neutering service dogs (such as seeing eye dogs or drug sniffing dogs) can negatively impact the service they give.  Dogs that are potential service animals are not chosen for sure until years after the recommended spay/neuter age, so allowing an exception for current service animals would not be enough here, they'd have to allow an exception for potential service animals.

zandperl January 24th, 2009 10:40:45 AM

Good stuff.

In what EU country is neutering illegal (and why)?

Sian January 24th, 2009 11:10:44 AM

Completely agreed, and I hope legislators will take your words to heart.  Zandperl, I didn't spay my whippet bitch until she was 4.5 years old.  I figured that at that point she had shown me her assets and drawbacks as a potential contributor to the gene pool, but it took me a long time to get to that point.  She's a lovely dog, but  her breeder and I were both agreed that there were better examples of the breed, including her littermates.  So I don't regret it for one second.

The California bill's mandatory age was 6 months I think?  At that point, I couldn't have entered her in any field trial or race competition to know how competitive she was.  (Nor would I want to run a dog at such a young age!  See what that's done to the Thoroughbred industry?)

Oddly enough -- and she's the first intact bitch I've owned, so this was new to me -- she calmed down considerably with every heat cycle.  I have no idea whether that would have happened if she'd been spayed earlier in life.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I know more than Joe Legislator whether my dog is breeding quality or not.  And my vet and I certainly know better than Joe Legislator when or if sterilization is best for my dog.  MSN laws are basically punishing responsible pet owners while not addressing any of the real causes for pet overpopulation.  Band-aid solutions rarely fix the problem they are intended to address.

Julie in OH January 24th, 2009 11:20:03 AM

Julie: It was 4 months! Imagine having to speuter them all that early. Ihaven't read the whole bill (the PDF isn't up yet) but I'm hoping it'll at least be 6.

xslf: We would hope for leniency on that front, but who knows?

However, I DO know that I don't want to turn into the spay neuter police.

Dr. Patty Khuly January 24th, 2009 11:44:15 AM

Points 1) and 5) don't seem to correlate. Why should a responsible owner, who does not intend to breed, be put in a position where they feel they have to neuter their animal given that there are known behavioral and medical concerns associated with neutering, especially before maturity. Intact does not equate with breeding. The decision to neuter or not is a choice that should be made after due consideration of the pros and cons, and yes, in conjunction with speaking with a veterinarian who doesn't have an axe to grind on the issue.

Jan Gribble January 24th, 2009 01:24:42 PM

I think you did a good job outlining some of the major issues with such legislation. It is clear and concise and covers most everything I can think ofl.

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Ark Lady January 24th, 2009 01:32:22 PM

. "Countries in the European Union where neutering is illegal do not have significant pet overpopulation problems"

Could you please tell us which countries this relates to and what the evidence/statistics are for the claim?

Circe January 24th, 2009 02:33:11 PM

Los Angeles used to have a subsidized spay/neuter policy and it was used and was shown to dramatically lower the number of animals found in their shelters.  At the first hint and money problems, it was, of course, abandoned given the feeling that people who cannot afford to spay and neuter their pets should not have them.

In Northern California, spaying costs are running between $250 and $700 depending on the community. So what is going to happen?  This bill is being promoted here too as a state wide bill.  It has already passed in Los Angeles.  Not so as a state wide bill. 

What we are being hit with is an all out promotion to have us owners, declared guardians.  Peta raises its head though through other groups.  Our local city council does not want to seem to bad people since this change was promoted through school children and Buddhist nuns (and who wants to disappoint them)

Check out this link from a couple of Sacramento State professors about how groups are using, especially local legislation to promote their beliefs.

http://www.asabirds.org/legislation.htm

Eliza January 24th, 2009 03:25:41 PM

I'm working on the European illegality issue. Stay tuned.

Dr. Patty Khuly January 24th, 2009 04:03:28 PM

I believe Norway is one of the countries where sterilization for a non-medical reason is illegal.

Dr. Patty, mandatory sterilization laws have NOT been correlated with a decrease in shelter admissions or shelter killing -- IOW, they don't work for population control, and may even undermine that goal.

There's a lot of information collected at www.saveourdogs.net, and I can certainly vouch for the diligence  and rigor of those who amassed and analyzed the data there.

I think it's crucial that the myth that repressive laws lead to a better animal welfare situation -- or cost savings for the public till -- be shown for the hopeful fiction that it is.

H. HoulahanI January 24th, 2009 04:34:16 PM

There's a societal difference in many European countries in regards to dogs, anyway. They do not tend to infantalize their dogs, they more often train their dogs to be quiet in public, they don't let them run freely, especially females in heat, and, yes, they do still cull puppies more, as well as often not going to the extremes that more people here do in keeping dogs alive at older ages. The number of pets per household is also lower, both because of space issues and ethnic mores (many people will never have pets because of social/religious constraints). Those things being said, they also still have overpopulation problems creeping up because of puppy mills. There are fewer humane societies/rescues and they are still putting dogs and cats down and in increasing numbers, so even though voluntary spay/neuter is common, it shows that the problem is caused by large breeding facilities. How about getting a whole lot tougher (harsher in penalties and enforcement) on puppy millers, and fight fire with the proper suppressants?

KateH January 24th, 2009 05:46:55 PM

Would a veterinarian HAVE to report their intact clients under mandatory S/N? What about confidentiality? Also I would be concerned with the impact of mandatory S/N on giant breeds that take a long time to mature and develop. I don't have any exact statistics offhand, but I believe giant breeds that are altered very young have higher incidence of bone cancers.

Tatyana January 24th, 2009 08:40:18 PM

What pet overpopulation are we talking about? In California we import strays from Mexico to meet the demand for dogs. In NY they go to Peurto Rico for shelter dogs. I get my animals neutered because I don't want to be bothered by the trouble unneutered pets can cause (if you've ever dealt with a siamese in season...aaaah). But my choice is mine. The decision shouldn't be forced on people when we have to import strays.

barbara m January 24th, 2009 11:09:19 PM

I'm not inherently against spay/neuter/or-control/take-responsibility-for-the-offspring laws.  I AM usually opposed to what ends up in front of the legislatures as it's usually poorly written, to say the least.  How about getting a copy of the law and re-writing it in more realistic terms?

On the multitude of fronts approach...  Why isn't there some kind of non-permanent birth control (injectibles, implants, IUD, morning after pills) for dogs and cats? Does Adjudin work in male dogs?  Or is contraception available and we just never hear about it?

PJBoosinger January 25th, 2009 02:01:50 AM

zandperl, every service dog (not police dog) I know of is neutured. Rarely they aren't but it makes things easier. My dog will be spayed as soon as she is old enough. It would suck to not be able to go out in public while she's in heat.

Keldrena January 25th, 2009 06:30:30 AM

Sorry, more questions...

Wayyyyyy back when, my male cats were neutered without being castrated.  Was that a vasectomy and, whatever it was, can it still be done?

Why has the cost of spay/neuter skyrocketed so much in recent years, especially in metro areas?

PS: I'm pretty good with leaving this decision to the Vet but I'm really not so sure about leaving it to the average pet owner, especially the guys I know "whose... dogs’ testicles are as precious to them as" their own.

PJBoosinger January 25th, 2009 07:14:38 AM

You know, I really don't like legislation that dictates what medical procedures a veterinarian or physician can and cannot perform, whether it's abortion or castration or even declawing. These are decisions that should be made by the patients/pet owners and their doctors. 

Personally, I think the resources used for these MSN programs would be better spent on educating the public and making low/no cost spay and neuter surgeries available.

As for the rising cost of the procedure--at least part of that has to do with better medicine being practiced. Safer anesthetics and pain control (the realization that pets feel pain as we do came surprisingly recently) drive the price up. If you compare the cost for a spay with another surgery of similar difficulty, you'll find that the spay is a bargain--many clinics don't even break even on them. Neutering a cat is a breeze, but spaying a big dog, especially if she's in heat, is serious business.

abc January 25th, 2009 11:16:39 AM

"In California we import strays from Mexico to meet the demand for dogs. In NY they go to Peurto Rico for shelter dogs." barbara

Actually here in NY, there is importing from shelters in the south/midwest. North Shore has a LOT of hound mixes and we just dont have many hounds in NYC/Long Island (relatively speaking compared to lets say labs and pits). Also Collie and BC mixes - breeds that are relatively rare in NYC/Long Island but much more common in rural US. Although they're not imported to meet demand, but traded (still to meet demand, since a different type of dogs is in high demand here). This I've been explained by several different people who worked at North Shore. I don't disbelieve that some dogs are imported from Puerto Rico, but I haven't heard of that one.

Tatyana January 25th, 2009 07:56:48 PM

Brent at KCDogBlog has done some great work with the statistics of post-MSN laws... No, they do NOT generally decrease the number of dogs entering shelters.

http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/mandatory_spayneuter/

EmilyS January 25th, 2009 09:50:17 PM

PJBoosinger: Vasectomies are not common in companion animals, though I'll do them. Your cats were castrated, almost certainly. If your male cats no longer spray, don't smell like toms and don't have other secondary sex traits (like big jowls) then they've been castrated.

Dr. Patty Khuly January 26th, 2009 09:32:32 AM

Agreed with abc: Spays and neuters are much cheaper than other non-routine surgeries in almost all hospitals. The only time I've not found this to be the case it's been at the specialist's. These procedures will continue to rise in price, especially in major metropolitan areas where the view tends to be more "enlightened" on the use of certified technicians, high-cost anesthetics, and other expensive safety measures. It's a trade-off--safety and comfort over affordability. 

Dr. Patty Khuly January 26th, 2009 09:36:53 AM

In point 2 you refer to a spay as a ovariohysterectomy. Perhaps it'd be wise to include ovariectomy,hysterectomy and/or Tubal ligation?    Do I recall that some animals in other countries more regularly get one of the other, alternative, methods of sterilization?  

I'm not goign to get into the middle of this, though.  Both sides have good reasons...  However, my state--Alabama--will never pass any mandatory spay/neuter laws.  

though, in ways, I wish they would.  My next door neighbors constantly have puppies/kittens.  And they are not properly socialized, contained, or cared for.  When the offspring reach a 'not cute' age they're pretty much allowed to roam freely and get food from whatever source they can.... and these are big dogs.  they knock over trashcans, attack our small family group of feral cats (who are geting fixed in a few months time when the local spay/neuter clinic starts their feral cat friday program.) and try to menace us if we get too close.  however, we'reo utside city limits and the probably jurisdiction of our local shelter.  Every time I try to ask people in my local area what I can do about these people and their indescrimitant breeding of mutts and moggys, no one answers.  

I'd love to be able to point fingers at them and say "make them fix their animals!"...

But that's just one group of people...  

colbywolf January 26th, 2009 10:38:05 AM

The two Siamese I had as a kid had their testicles but were neutered.  I remember they had an incision similar to females that have been neutered.  I remember the first castration pretty distinctly.  The tech started to give me post op instructions and I stopped her to ask exactly what they'd done to my cat (Tom).  She pulled my records and went to get the Vet.  He was rather abashed, noted it had been quite a while since the last male and that they now "did it this way" (castration).  I was young and stupid and didn't push for answers also he'd been our Vet for well over a decade and I had no reason to distrust him so just accepted the "change".  However, I'll admit I was very startled, even shocked, at the time.

The four male cats I had that were neutered without being castrated were quite masculine in many ways but never sprayed.  (And I'm 100% positive about that because my mother, clean freak of the world, would have booted them out the nearest door for spraying.)  About half that I've had that were castrated have been/are sprayers, most have been fat and had other problems that I didn't see in those cats of 40-45 years ago.  Guess I'll be discussing a few things with my Vet before I consider getting any more cats. :)

PJBoosinger January 26th, 2009 11:51:40 AM

PJ - are you confusing neutering (removing the testicles) with removing the penis.?When cats are neutered, their penis is left in place, and only their testicles remain. I believe your cats must have been neutered appropriately. If they still were producing testosterone, their urine would smell horrible.

Allbutone January 26th, 2009 05:09:51 PM

That should read " only their testicles are removed" not "remain" - sorry!

Allbutone January 26th, 2009 05:11:16 PM

There are already low cost spay/neuter options. Even FREE for people on social assistance. Each county is spending millions of dollars for the destruction of homeless/unwanted animals. I know you breeders and puppy mill owners enjoy your tax free status of home business--if this passes, your free loading days are over. When you buy from a breeder, a shelter animal DIES. We need to try this because what is available already is CLEARLY not working. I own pet bullfrogs. If I decided to breed (and sell) them I would require a fish store license. Same concept. Simply put if you want to breed, you need a license.

Luke Thomas January 26th, 2009 05:40:11 PM

The State has cut education and law enforcement funds CONSIDERABLY. Each county funds education and law enforcement-facing serious cuts. Yet the cost of dog pounds increase every year. Why not try this. At least it is on paper-irresponsible pet ownership is not tolerated. I realize a lot of people are not going to comply (like ANY law)-but it WILL HELP. People who refuse to not spay/neuter their pet, especially a mut or mixed breed, is the hallmark of an irresonsbile owner. This law will DECREASE the number of "free to good home ads". Did you know kittens and puppies are used for SHARK BAIT? I have videos of people impaling kittens with fish hooks (STILL ALIVE) and using them for fishing. Why? Free to good home. People also use these "free to good home" ads to feed their pet SNAKES. People also answer these ads to sell them for hideous EXPERIMENTS. Research companies pay these slime bags for dogs, cats, puppies and kittens, and will be cut open, even alive. Even burned alive. Chemicals put in eyes, etc. Or they become sick and nauseated from experimental chemicals. All very cruel. You all can complain about mandatory spay/neuter laws, but I know for a fact that with current low cost, even free to social assistance people, spay/neutering-people REFUSE to alter their animal. "I'm not going to have my baby cut. They need to experience motherhood...I like my cat to have kittens because it is a joyous experience for my children to watch.." ALL KINDS OF STUPID REASONS. With so many MILLIONS dying in the state every year. this IS stupid. And expense. In Miami-Dade they spent $10 MILLION DOLLARS in 2007. And killed 33,000 animals. That's how much the dog pound costs every YEAR. Even a small-medium county it is OVER a million dollars. Polk County spent 2.4 MILLION dollars in 2007. With school budgets cut and law enforcement cut-THIS IS NOT RIGHT!!! Or don't you care about children having their education cut because of this "joy of breeding" right. Give me a BREAK!

Luke Thomas January 26th, 2009 05:47:36 PM

Luke, Mandatory Spay/Neuter has been tried in other places, and it does not reduce the number oif surrendered or abandoned pets. It actually increases numbers.

Meanwhile, in some regions of the country, notably the northeast and the northwest, we have shelters with essentially no puppies in them. The dogs are all adult, being rehomed for a variety of reasons, but often coming in already spayed or neutered. There's an unmet demand for puppies, with the result that unwanted puppies are shipped from southern states, including Florida, to be adopted in shelters in New England  and New York and the Pacific Northwest. Many shelters are No Kill, and no, they're not over-crowded hell-holes.

This did not happen because people in New England and New York and the northwest are somehow terribly different from southerners. Forty years ago, puppies were crowding the shelters, shelters were routinely killing any animal still there after seven days because they desperately needed the space, etc. Conditions were hellish.

What changed? No, we didn't get Mandatory Spay/Neuter. We got genuine low-cost spay/neuter programs, adequately funded. We got mobile spay/neuter vans, so that people who couldn't get their animals to the spay/neuter clinic, could wait for it to come to them. (Because, wonder of wonders, when you're poor and have no car, the spay/neuter low-cost clinic being in the next town over is a serious problem.) We got aggressive adoption programs, that make it possible for working people to get to the shelters during adoption hours, because there ARE adoption hours when working people are not working.

And with public education and some public pressure, people starting asking people with new pets, "Is she spayed yet?" "When will you get him neutered?" And it was everybody asking the question: your friends, your neighbors, your relatives, your boss, your co-workers--your vet, wanting to know when you want to schedule the surgery. If a guy doesn't want his male dog neutered, he can expect to be teased and mocked about it.

Education, outreach, and low-cost spay/neutered have actually succeeded in changing public attitudes and the behavior of the general public with respect to their pets. Mandatory spay/neuter hasn't.

H.L. Mencken said,"For every problem there is a solution, that is simple, obvious, and wrong. " This is one of those cases.

Lis January 26th, 2009 11:14:24 PM

Albutone, I'm not confused.  Although my "anatomy" isn't the best, I do know the difference between testicles (balls) and penis.  My Siamese and two other cats were altered/neutered/fixed without having their testicles (balls) removed.  How medicine is practiced today isn't necessarily how it was practiced 40+ years ago which is when these cats were altered.  Their urine DID stink but they didn't spray (except occasionally in the litter box) and, since each kitty gets their very own litter box, their welcome to spray and mark to their content there).  I'm not confused by the distinction between urinating and spraying either.  http://www.catsofaustralia.com/cat-spraying-urine.htm  http://www.petco.com/caresheets/cat/Cat_Spraying.pdf

PJBoosinger January 27th, 2009 09:19:08 AM

8) If owners avoid veterinary care, public health could be at risk due to decreased rabies vaccinations and routine prophylactic de-worming of our pets.

RABIES.  People need to pay attention. Fewer dogs and cats vaccinated translates into a public health risk we have not had to deal with for generations. A risk for humans. That needs to be addressed first.

Christine January 27th, 2009 12:31:13 PM

Barbara M, if you are unfamiliar with the pet overpopulation problem in California I would be very happy to take you for a tour of some of our local shelters.

There are people who bring pets from Mexico to the US to find them homes, that doesn't mean there are no homeless pets in the US, simply that people are moved to help dogs in Mexico.  There were also people arranging to bring pit bulls to California from Denver when they cracked down on enforcement of their pit bull ban, while there are already hundreds of homeless pit bulls here in California despite (and because of) the popularity of the breed.

I would also like to see what exceptions are accounted for in this bill - for instance the Los Angeles ordinance has exceptions for working dogs, show dogs, dogs who have a note from their vet and others.  It may not be a perfect bill but it doesn't force anybody to get their sick animal spayed and it doesn't  expect vets to be spay/neuter cops.  I'm curious what the specific provisions are for the proposed Florida law.

Anne January 27th, 2009 06:28:36 PM

"And with public education and some public pressure, people starting asking people with new pets, "Is she spayed yet?" "When will you get him neutered?" And it was everybody asking the question: your friends, your neighbors, your relatives, your boss, your co-workers--your vet, wanting to know when you want to schedule the surgery. If a guy doesn't want his male dog neutered, he can expect to be teased and mocked about it. "

Ostracizing is not the answer either. I find it very rude when people pressure me to neuter my dogs because they don't know any better. I show both of my male dogs, they are intact and will probably remain so even after they finish their championships. Why? Because I can control them, because i dont want to put them under anaesthesia unless I absolutely have no choice, because I am educated about irresponsible breeding, and because they will not be bred until they are titled, health tested and have a perfect match found. But I'm not going to explain that to any random person that asks me about my dogs' testicles. I don't feel that i should be giving excuses, it IS a choice after all. And mainly i don't want some psycho eyeing what they assume are "prized expensive rare show dogs" and possibly stealing them/holding them for ransom/selling them/whatever.

Public outreach - convenient hours, low cost speuters, neuter vans, public education are not only great but they're necessary. But ostracizing/teasing/rudeness will only make people resentful about it. It IS a sensitive subject, and not only for macho men. I myself am a female and i don't have any weird attachment to my dogs' testicles, but I have my reasons for keeping them as is. Its important for people to know what are good reasons to breed and what are not. It is important for people to know about health problems and health testing. It is important for people to know about the million things that can go wrong during whelp, and how expensive puppy-related emergencies are. It is important to for people to know about overpopulation, about puppy placement, and a million other reasons NOT to breed. But ostracizing should not be the vehicle used for this purpose.

Tatyana January 27th, 2009 11:00:29 PM

They are importing dogs to the US to meet the localdemand. Every foreign dog that gets imported and not adopted goes on the books as killed in am american shelter, and people scream about killing dogs and passing spay neuter bills. I'm not opposed to importing dogs. I just don't think you can blame Americans for pet overpopulation in Mexico or Peurto Rico http://www.cbp.gov/xp/CustomsToday/2006/jun_jul/other/puppies.xml

barbara m January 28th, 2009 12:33:23 AM

BarbaraM - You are wrong. There are instances everywhere when people try to help dogs from other places, even if that might, ultimately, mean that dogs in the 'local' area don't get homes instead. During the Katrina evacs, there were a lot of people who said, "Why are we bringing dogs here (anywhere other than New Orleans) to find homes, when we have dogs already needing homes." There are groups dedicated to rescuing Spanish galgos/Irish greyhounds by bringing them here, when there's a huge oversupply of greyhounds in the US needing homes. (As well as the US bred greys that are brought back from racetracks in Mexico because of horrendous problems I won't get into here.) There are two groups that I know of that are helping bring back dogs from Iraq and Afghanistan for soldiers who befriend them, and a group that helps dogs in the Carribean get homes in the US. Each of those dogs CAN take the home that a 'local' dog could fill, which MIGHT lead to that local dog's death. I will not say that any of these programs are wrong (I actually helped a local greyhound group rehome Katrina dogs), but there is a potential for any dog, anywhere, that doesn't have a good home, to die. The difference is how and why, and it's most often due to space considerations in shelters. With these horrible economic times, more and more dogs and cats are dying in shelters, as well as on the streets, in abandoned homes, out in the country, this country as well as many others. The problem is overpopulation, most definitely, but a better solution to mandatory spay/neuter is cracking down on puppy mills and better education of the public as to the value of s/n for most dogs. Explaining why a certain portion of dogs are not being s/n for medical reasons could focus more learning about animal health and behavior and ultimately lead to animals being better treated by even more humans.

KateH January 28th, 2009 03:49:56 PM

BarbaraM, I read the article you linked and basically, they are talking about puppy mills in Mexico, and while it may be true that the animals are being bred to meet US demand, the same is true of any puppy mill whether its in Mexico or Missouri.  They're not so much filling a need that US puppy mills can't supply, but rather competing directly with US puppy mills. 

You could say that the demand for these cute (but generally unhealthy) puppies is not met by the  (overabundant) supply of dogs in the US but that's not because there is a shrotage of dogs, but rather because so many of the unwanted dogs are over 6 mo old, many are not purebred or are larger breeds and mixes, and they cannot be ordered on the internet on a whim.

Anne January 28th, 2009 04:48:22 PM

I think that it is irresponsible not to spay or neuter your pet. There are too many animals as it is out there(breeds ands mixes)and the county is spending so many millions of dollars for sheltering them and euthanizing millions of them every year. The way I see it many dogs and cats are born just to die a few montns or a few years after they are born when they are caught by animal control wandering the streets or when people don't want them and abandon them, there is also a lot of cruelty and neglect going on.

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Luke I agree with you about the points you make. These people refusing the new law don't seem to know the realities of what really happens to animals.

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