Excellent list. I love number 9. I had to convince my wife that our cat could be healthier if he lost a little more weight.

Jason Merrihew February 24th, 2009 08:18:43 AM

Guilty as charged--of having a fat cat (one fat one out of five total). Here's my Bad: I've got five. I'm gone a lot. I can't deal with separate feedings; either emotionally/logistically when I'm here, or logistically/financially when I'm gone. They eat dry food only, on-demand; when I'm away, my neighbor is kind enough to make sure they have food, water and clean litter boxes. But I can't see asking him to separate the fat guy, wait around for the other four to eat (including two who are so shy they would not consider eating with him even in the house), and so on. Twice a day.

I'm open to suggestions that DON'T involve making me feel guilty for these facts. I KNOW it's bad for him, I make no excuses in that sense. On the other hand, I'd appreciate an understanding that not every person with a fat cat is an ignorant, insensitive, in-denial, virtual-abuser of said cat: I took him in as an adult from someone who could not keep him, and inherited this problem. I've DONE separate feedings in the past with only three cats (one of which another fat one I adopted as a fat adult), and it was a NIGHTmare, so don't tell me it's no big deal.

For what it's worth. I know I'm going to be pilloried for this, but I'm braced and ready for the if-you-can't-be-a-completely-perfect-caregiver-then-you-shouldn't-have-animals faction...

Judy February 24th, 2009 08:21:50 AM

Friend and her husband had two Labradors. Post divorce, husband took one, she took the other. She proceeded to double the weight of hers. I became convinced it was a weight-maintenance strategy for HER: She ate a bite or two of everything, and then gave the rest to the dog. It hurt me to look at how miserable this dog was. At one point, I even suggested we make the dog's weight loss under veterinary supervision a blog series. "She's happy as she is," said the friend, and that was that.

The two littermates -- the ex-husband's dog fit and proper weight all his life -- died within a month of either other. "See?" said the friend. "It didn't make a difference and Bean was happy her whole life."

Having once been 430 pounds myself, I can guarantee you that dog was miserable her whole life. And I can also  personally testify what being within normal weight ranges  -- as I am now -- would have meant to that dog's quality of life. As in, she would have had a life worth living.

I never understood the pathology behind this "love," and I still don't. Even when I was at my largest, my dogs were normal weight and fit.

And it continues: After Bean died, my friend sought out a breeder of show Labradors, because she likes "that look." My brother snarked that the dog came "pre-fattened."

Video of winning Labradors at Crufts 2008, jiggling across the ring: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOxbCXIm10M

Gina Spadafori February 24th, 2009 08:22:41 AM

Yeah, separate feedings, particularly when the thin ones don't want to eat all in one sitting, are a pain in the arse. Who do we keep locked in the bathroom all day?

My cats are currently not fat. They went that way briefly when the 'put some meat on the sick feral' program continued a little too long, but we've cut back. Thankfully, they are both content to eat what is put in front of them until it's gone.

However, whether it's bluffing or not, I wish there was a way to curtail the 'hungry all the time' syndrome. They quite literally spend half their waking lives yowling and running desparately to the food bowls every time they see you. I'm not about to be swayed by their starving kitties act, but I must admit, it's not exactly the relationship I'd anticipated.

Is there an equivalent to celery or fiber for cats that makes them feel full but doesn't have the caloric value?

puppynerd February 24th, 2009 08:35:53 AM

"I wish there was a way to curtail the 'hungry all the time' syndrome"

I do, too. One of mine is particularly bad about this, and his begging can incite a riot in the others. I had a long talk with the vet about it because he's eating Purina NF, and I wonder if it isn't filling. He wasn't like that before the NF. The vet, who usually is good about listening to me, pushed back hard, saying "It's got his kidney values where we want. No changing."

As for managing multiple cats with different dietary needs.... it really does require multiple feedings. Judy, it sucks. But it's what it takes. Currently, I have 4 cats on 3 diets. And it's a huge pain. One has, thankfully, eaten sequestered from the others most of his life, so that isn't a problem. But the new kitten will not eat if he's closed off from everyone else, which means mealtime actually has to be guarded to keep everyone in the right food bowls. I see it as part of what's necessary to have them and keep them healthy. Same as I do litterbox scooping and veterinary care.

Yes, there's no cooke-cutter approach for anyone. You've got to do the best you can. But it's important do do *something*.

Feline February 24th, 2009 08:48:26 AM

On August 26,2006 we adopted a 10+ year old Bernese x GSD mix from a no kill shelter.  At that time, Jake was 105 pounds.  He was nearly as wide as tall, and was so arthritic you heard everything creak as he tried to get up.  We later found out that he stayed in the shelter office as he was too big for a kennel run.

When we brought him home he was on a strick diet with a high quality, low fat/low protein kibble and a good quality joint supplement.  We got his weight down to a normal level and he enjoyed  two+ years, which I do not think he would have had otherwise.  When we lost him on November 2, 2008, and he weighed 73 pounds.  The day we lost him was the day he refused to eat anything.

Now I just wish someone could ration out kibble and supplements for me.

Holly Goldman-Craig February 24th, 2009 08:52:20 AM

Judy--there are some tricks you can try--in particular, there is a product called teh Neko Feeder (I think the website is nekofeeder.com) that is essentially a door that you put on a commercial airline carrier.  The door only opens when a cat with a magnet in its collar approaches--so you give the thin cats collars and keep tubby out.

What worked for my fiance's cat was to only feed her in a treat ball.  this worked for him becuase his other (slim) cat was not interested in her food and he was fed higher than she cared to jump.  She got really good at kicking that ball around and lost 2 pounds and has kept it off.  I don't know this would work in a mulitple cat home.

My saddest case was a 150 pound lab mix owned by an MD.  She claimed her dog was not fat, but merely half rottwieler and they are often 100 plus pounds.  This dog could not stand up.  Every time I saw her it was a bit of a showdown about this dog's size.  Every time it was the same argument.  I pointed out to her that the dog's frame could not support her weight...and then the owner decided the dog had hip dysplasia.  She then started seeking an orthopedic surgeon to repair this "problem" despite my pointing out we had not diagnosed THAT either.  She did find an orthopod who refused to touch the dog until it was half its current size.

That dog died at 6 years old.  She was a sweet dog.  If her owner had gotten another one, she did not come back to me with it.

drsteggy February 24th, 2009 08:56:11 AM

I had never been to a conformation show until recently and I was shocked at how fat the Labs were. It was at a venue that was hosting an agility trial on the same day and the difference between the agility Labs and the show dogs was quite striking. Lean and athletic versus doughy and lumbering.

I can identify with number 3 and 8 in the list however. I live with my parents and my father seems to be under the impression that the dogs are starving because he has conditioned them to run into the kitchen eagerly every time he goes in there, which is often, and then he feeds them.

He also believes fat equals happiness for dogs. I for one love seeing how healthy and muscular my dog looks slightly underweight. I'd love the same for myself alas I have no one controlling *my* portions.

Sheyna February 24th, 2009 08:59:40 AM

My cat is obsessed with food! She is not overweight and to keep her within her healthy weight range, I feed her 4 small meals a day (2 via automatic feeder)

She used to be fine when we had a digital feeder, but that was recently replaced with an analogue feeder, which is not as accurate and as it gets close to her feed time, she can give it a hit and sometimes it opens up.

I think she may be obsessed with the feeder rather than her feeder - but the small meals and often, though a pain, have helped keep her healthy, as as her daily run of laser play every evening and play time with me every morning before work.

She is an indoor cat and has been on purina since kitten with no problems!

I also find changing the feeder and where I feed her keeps her on her toes!

KD February 24th, 2009 09:04:30 AM

Re: fat cats

Get cat door that is activated by magnet on cat's collar.

Install in large plastic rubbermaid storage bin (clear is best).  This requires only a few tools and no particular skills -- cut hole, screw or glue door onto it.

Thin cat(s) get collar with magnet.

Fat cat(s) do not.

Thin cats' food goes inside storage bin.

Fat cats' miserly ration is fed elsewhere.

Works a charm -- is also a great way to feed cats who are on special diets, keep dogs out of the cat food, and can be adapted for litter-box security in homes with dogs who regard the pan as a treat dispenser.

A lower-tech and much cheaper method is to just cut a hole that the thin cat can fit through and the fat cat can't. Livestock farmers have been using this principle (creep feeding) for calves and lambs since forever.  However, as the fat cat loses weight, there will often come a day when he can almost fit through the hole, and he gets his fool self stuck.  So I like the extra trouble of the collar-activated door.

H. Houlahan February 24th, 2009 09:09:41 AM

"I think he was abused before I got him -- see how he cringes when I suddenly tower over him? -- so I can't deprive him of food or he'll think I'm abusive too."

I have actually heard that one, live.

Marisa February 24th, 2009 09:11:38 AM

"But feeding him is how I show I love him!" or "it's how he knows I love him!" is the top excuse I've heard.  Some cultures put emphasis on feeding children as a sign of loving them (Italian or Chinese, for example), so perhaps this is more prevalent in those cultures. 

The key to overcoming the begging is to never - not EVER - give in.  If you give in even once, your pet learns that all they have to do to get a treat is beg for longer.  When you first start this tough love treatment yes, the begging will go up for a brief time, it's called the "extinction burst", but within a few weeks to months of ignoring the behavior they'll learn that it doesn't get them anywhere.  You just have to get over that hump.

zandperl February 24th, 2009 09:12:05 AM

A client came in with a very friendly, overweight Golden. Doc brings it up nicely (after both of us struggle to get her up on the table) when the scale says 98#s. Owner says "She wants to eat - she pesters me all the time." Doc asks, "All the time?" Owner says, "I work from home and I'm on the phone and computer a lot. She's always pestering me, so I toss treats out of the room all the time." Doc suggests petting the dog instead, as the pestering started out as attention seeking behavior that was rewarded with food, starting a vicious cycle. Owner says she needs to keep her hands free. I ask what the desk setup is in her home office, and when she says it's a worktable, I suggest putting the dog on a bed under the table and petting with feet. I swear, I saw the lighbulb go off over the woman's head. We'll see what happens by April when HW testing appt. is.

KateH February 24th, 2009 09:20:23 AM

Judy, can the fat cat jump very well?  If not, put most of the food up on a shelf or table where the fat cat can't jump to.  I did this when I had an obese ferret and another one who needed to eat normally, and it worked well.  And maybe it would provide the fat cat with some incentive to get into shape :-)

regina February 24th, 2009 09:21:37 AM

When we had one dog evaluated at the behavior panel at a vet conference, among the things they told us was that sometimes it doesn't work to feed a low-fat food.  The dog in question, who should've been 55 lbs but was closer to 70, was getting a literal handful of low-cal food daily and not losing weight; it had been like that for several years.  (I couldn't exercise him like I'd want to, with a bad back, but he has free run of the house and the acre-ish backyard most of the time.  The other three dogs got more food--even the 25-lb cocker spaniel--and kept their weight great with their own play.)

They said that sometimes a dog needs a higher protein diet in order to have the energy to work off his weight.  We added a fat supplement to his diet--not quite what they suggested, but sort of similar--and he did in fact finally begin losing weight.  So strange!  We added fat to his low-cal diet and he lost weight.  We eventually started feeding him "maintenance" instead of "low-fat/low-protein/low-everything" and he remains much more svelte than he used to be.

...I *wish* that worked for me, too!

Galadriel February 24th, 2009 09:23:06 AM

The most telling reason of all for both cats AND dogs is "But the Bag of (insert brand of feed here) SAID....."

I am not a vet, nor do I play one on TeeVee, but I see a lot of morbidly obese  dogs come through for training here or through my group training.  I often counsel the owners to speak to their animal health professional to get some assistance on weight reduction and I hear that comment a LOT.

I have been frequently heard to ask them if it's the DOG reading the bag and not them...

Linda Kaim February 24th, 2009 09:27:13 AM

I have 3 labradors and they are all a perfect weight. I work hard to keep them that way. They get at least one hour of good hard exercise every day. A walk doesn't cut it for any of them. I took my male in to be neutered and had a vet tech tell me he was underweight and proceeded to lecture me on proper feeding. She said when she fed him after his surgery he acted like he was starving.. I guess she doesn't know much about labs, they always act that way. I suggested to her that she didn't know what a lab was supposed to look like since it seems to me that every lab I happened to see at the clinic was overweight. Unknown to me she even noted in my boys chart that he was underfed.. The next time I was in with him another tech made a big deal of weighing him and asking about his diet so I brought it up with my Vet.. She told me about the vet tech's notes etc... My vet assured me that all my labs were a great weight and she wished all her other clients kept their labs in the same condition.

My 9 yr old female can out run/out last the 2 yr old male lab that lives next door..

One of the best tips I can give people is to MEASURE the food with a real measuring cup. Don't guess. I have seen the size of things that people feed there dogs with and they tell me it's a cup... sure it is....

Weigh your dog every two weeks and if the last food reduction did not work to stop the weight gain at the very least, reduce it some more and step up the exercise.

Use foods like cut up carrots as treats if you dogs will eat them. They are a great filler..

Elizabeth - From Nova Scotia February 24th, 2009 10:03:59 AM

Linda, That reason strikes home with me. With three cats in my house, they get 1 1/3 cup of TD food a day to share, the amount reccomended for a cat weighing in the 12 lb area. Seeing as one of my cats is a healthy 13.5 pounds, I can just imagine how wrong the estimates on those food bags are.

Shannon February 24th, 2009 10:19:28 AM

Sometimes part of the problem is the vets. Several times I have tried to tell friends their dog was overweight, and they tell me their vet (not all the same vet) says Fido is the perfect weight.

I also know people with skinny breeds who live in fear of being accused of animal abuse. A few years ago a breeder of Salukis and the even skinnier Azawhakhs, http://www.i-love-dogs.com/dog-breeds/Azawakh.html, was raided in this area. The TV stations showed pictures of what looked to me like normal-weight sighthounds with commentary about how starved the dogs obviously were. As often happens in these cases she had been intimidated into signing her animals over to the local Humane Society with threats of jail. I don't think she got her dogs back.

Linda H February 24th, 2009 10:29:37 AM

None of my cats have had weight problems since I stopped feeding kibble. They are all really nice weights.

In the days before I knew better, and was feeding kibble to Toonces, he got a little porky. I'm sure that may have helped set him up for diabetes. Back in the day, vets used to tell us that kibble was best for their teeth. Now, I know better.

Stefani February 24th, 2009 11:01:09 AM

I admit, I struggled with my Dobie's because he's an unrepentant food stealer. He was a stray and so thinks nothing of stealing food (or non food -- he once ate a candle and loves kleenex) out of the garbage or off the table or counter. I can't even use the bathroom while prepping diner. I'll come back to missing food. Hell, he shoved the sliding closet door off the tracks to get at the cat's food. Amazingly, he's only 1.5 lbs overweight at the moment.

Terrie February 24th, 2009 11:01:49 AM

Here is a really good web page on feline obesity and the problems it causes. Show this to fat-cat owners. http://www.catinfo.org/feline_obesity.htm

Be sure to scroll down to see the case study of Bennie, including his urine scald (he couldn't clean himself . . . )

Stefani February 24th, 2009 11:03:50 AM

Guilty as charged but I rarely make excuses.

Cats: 2 of my 3 are overweight.  Gotta say though that, if individual feedings are the proper standard of care, then I just won't have cats in the future.  And I wonder how many more cats would be put down to have no life at all.  Even if being overweight some isn't perfect, I think it's better than the alternative because I'm never going to do the 4-5 feedings per day per cat thing and deal with the howling that usually accompanies that schedule.  I MIGHT be willing to try what Houlahan suggests though.  Very creative and it's along the lines of what I want to hear (a reasonable, workable solution) when my Vet says "you must do something" and I ask for suggestions and get a blank stare in return.

Dogs: Yep, they're both VERY fat currently.  4 years on a farm, my mini-strokes, move to a condo, no yard and I can't walk them very much along with problem behavior for one of them who doesn't even like the smell of another dog and we live in a complex with LOTS of dogs.  Second Vet visit after the move, I heard the Vet whisper "grossly obese" to the technician in reference to my small(er) dog who's been on prednisone.  OK, so this was the same Vet who just kept upping the pred dose and wouldn't take the time to explain allergies and how to deal with them...  Yeah, I was slower after the strokes but that's no excuse for him not to at least give me some printouts to start learning from.  I'll take the majority of the blame but I do think some of my Vets, at a minimum, didn't help and, at a maximum, contributed.

KateH, I have a big doggy bed under my desk.  It's WONDERFUL and mostly they just want to sleep on my feet - to touch!  I also put them in another room, starting with 10 minutes and we're up to a couple of hours now, to get back to a normal schedule.  They were with me 24/7 while I was sick so it's tough for them to be apart from me now (and tough for me too) but I think it's best for them to have this return to normalcy.

PJBoosinger February 24th, 2009 11:15:20 AM

LindaH: Sometimes it is the veterinarians but in my case I've had cause to catch a client in the act--lying about her pet's weight loss needs to the entire waiting room. I assumed no one would believe her but...who knows? 

Dr. Patty Khuly February 24th, 2009 11:50:24 AM

I have two senior dogs who came to me last year very overweight - one in particular was just awful.  I'm excited to share that he has gone from 85lb to 70lb and we are working on getting him down to 60.  The other has also lost weight but I don't have an old weight on him so I don't know how much.  I put them both on a senior weight loss formula (Canidae Platinum) and curtailed the treats, gave them very modest daily walks and they are doing really well.  The one who was huge was out in the yard this morning and when I called him for our walk he practically bounded over to me.  I can only imagine how much better he feels getting around - he used to lie down halfway through our walk if I stopped to chat with a neighbor, now he's a different dog.  The funny part is my other dog is and always has been on the thin side and believe it or not, he's a lab.  His sister was skinny too.  He seems to have a self-limiting appetite and I have to wonder if that's a genetic thing (he is not purebred lab so it clearly came from some other source!

And I'm honestly shocked at the size & shape of show labs, I think they have lost sight of the fact that these dogs have waists!

Anne February 24th, 2009 12:33:25 PM

Nice article! I have an overweight dog. She is now on thyroid medication and it took a lot of consultation with my vet to have her tested (the dog is a sheltie). In fact, I was the one who pointed out to my vet that she was overweight and pestered him to figure out why. Ella has two symptoms of low thyroid - she couldn't lose weight, even on less than 1/4 cup of food a day and 2 hours of exercise, and she acted a little extra, well, bitchy. After convincing my vet that it was a good idea to run the thyroid panel, we discovered that, while Ella is in the normal range for thyroid levels, she is actually too low in the range for a sheltie. She has been on the medication for two years and she is much better, but keeping the weight off is still difficult and always will be. I exercise her a lot and, while she is in excellent shape, she still carries extra weight. I do find it very frustrating, though, when I am judged by non-vets to have a "fat" dog and many people assume that I overfeed her, when I actually manage her caloric intake very closely under my vet's supervision.

Stephani February 24th, 2009 12:40:40 PM

Your post has some good points. I have two big cats. I was able to get both of them to loose weight by switching from dry food to canned. But one has IBD now so is very limited in food options, though. And where there is something to your first and second points, I swear I have a kitty with one of the slowest metabolisms. Forget things that say 20-30 calories per lb or whatever they are. He eats about 15 calories per lb. His weight is much better that it was a couple years ago, but because of the IBD food being slightly higher in calories, he has put on some of his weight. At just above 16 lbs the vets gave him a perfect '5' BCS, although he probably could have lost another 1/2 lb. Now he is up by about 10 oz. I try to get him down, but I will probably have to live with him being about 1 lb overweight. When you say some pets are hungry, he can't sleep or nap or do anything because he is miserable. And he is probably the extreme on your examples - he ats 7 oz of food a day and weighs just under 17 lbs.

Jenny February 24th, 2009 12:43:00 PM

ALL of my pets would be overweight if I fed them what the bag recommended. Hell, I took my veterinary nutrition course and the calculations they had me use would mean feeding my pets nearly twice as much as I actually do, meaning they'd get fat that way too! It's not like I have lazy pets either. My two GSDs go jogging with me and do agility, and my cat gets laser-pointer-laps around my house. I do get crap (from other vet students even) about having properly weighted dogs.

For example, the typical formula is Mean Energy Requirement= 132xweight in kg ^0.75. Using that math and the 1x multiplier for my "moderately active" dogs would be about 2000cal for the dog that actually only needs 1400, and 1600 for the dog that actually only needs 1000. My 2y/o cat gains weight if I feed him any more than 300cal (about 1 5.5oz can or 1/3c) a day.

Then there's my dad. He only feeds his dog 'a cup' a day. Naturally, that 'cup' is actually an insulated thermos that holds 2.25 cups of dry kibble, and his should-be 60lb dog weighs in around 75-80lbs. No matter what I say, he cannot be swayed that he needs to put her on a diet. "She's happy" is always the response I get. He blew out his knee recently though...maybe I can can convince him that the risk and pain of her blowing out her cruciate is worth reducing her food and upping her walks.

I don't get it. Food does not equal love. It can, but in extreme cases, it can also equal abuse.

lindabcs February 24th, 2009 01:41:47 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0ffwDYo00Q Simon's Cat 'Cat Man Do'

cjacobs February 24th, 2009 01:45:08 PM

Anne: I love my weight loss success stories!

In one case, we bet an owner we could make her dog lose weight healthily in two weeks--or the stay was on us. Now, this was a dog that needed emergency weight loss due to two torn cruciates, two weeks apart, otherwise we wouldn't normally have suggested hospitalization. After a week, this blimp of a Shiba had lost 4 pounds--on 1/4 cup twice a day, hardly starvation for a 50-pound dog that should've weighed 25-30 pounds.

Another few of my patients are doing impressively well on higher protein diets after the standard weight loss formulas failed to take work out. Some owners report the dogs act less hungry on these diets. 

The sad thing is--hate to say it--we can probably remember every single weight loss success story we've had over the past couple of years. That should tell you how few of them there are--which explains how ecstatic we vets get when perhaps the most common "curable disease" in canine and feline medicine finally gets the treatment it merits. 

Dr. Patty Khuly February 24th, 2009 02:17:24 PM

The obesity problem in pets reflects the same thing we see in humans, people who are couch potatoes are less likely to exercise their pets, much less themselves or eat properly themselves. I try to be as tactful as possible, but sometimes it is hard. For example I had a client with an 18 lb. pomeranian who for years, ignored my recommendations for weight loss with many of the aforementioned reasons. When she finally brought the dog in for breathing difficulty, I made her cry when I told her her dog was suffocating with obesity and then asked her what would it take, what could I say, to convince her to get this dog to lose weight because I could not help the poor creature. All my staff was mad at me being "mean" to this lady, but she did bring the dog back 2 months later 3 lbs. lighter. Another excuse that I get is that because I am a marathon runner, I am thin/fit, they say "You think everyone should run marathons and be thin like you". I bet our human counterpart physicians are equally frustrated, at least our patients don't smoke! I do warn clients of the dangers of secondhand smoke to their pets. (another good post topic, Dr K)

Hobson February 24th, 2009 02:32:07 PM

I keep my pit bull very slender - 2-3 ribs on either side are visible.  She's not underweight at all, just completely ripped.  But every time we go out in public or go to my family's house, "Oh my god don't you ever feed that poor dog???"  Regardless of the fact that she eats better than I do and I don't worry about her getting hip dysplasia, she's obviously abused.  I'm thankful to have a vet that understands and tells me that she is at her ideal weight.

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Liz February 24th, 2009 03:03:19 PM

I had 7 dogs, everything from a 6.5 lb pomeranian to a 126 lb. Neapolitan Mastiff.  My good friend came to visit me for the first time, took one look at my 11 lb. chihuahua and told me "that dog is fat.  cut her food in half".  I stopped free-feeding and started measuring everything they ate:  two tablespoons per meal for the small dogs, 1/2 cup for the medium sized dogs, and two cups for the Neo, twice a day.  The weight slowly came off and has stayed off ever since.  My chi is now 9 lbs and my pom is 5.5 lbs. 

Diane C. February 24th, 2009 03:12:00 PM

I hear a lot, "he/she only gets a cup a day!"...and then a few minutes later you get them to admit the "cup" is actually an old 44 oz. Big Gulp or something of that nature, lol. I tell clients it's not rocket science - cut down on the feed and increase the exercise, and most will lose weight just fine (yes, I know there are exceptions). I've found that visuals help, too - somtimes clients get so focused on a "magic" number on the scale that they forget BCS is what we're really going for. I think obesity is another of those areas, like flea control, that gets clients all riled up and defensive for no good reason. Your pet's fat. Doesn't mean you're a bad or uncaring pet owner, but things need to change. Let's just find a way to get it fixed (or managed) and move on.

anna February 24th, 2009 04:31:45 PM

I run a weight loss program at our clinic.  I have several success stories, but, unfortunately, they are fewer than they should be!  And it is always because the owner can't stand to 'starve' their pet.  I like some of the ideas I've found here for limiting feeding for cats, and will give those suggestions to my clients.  Making sure animals are at the proper weight is very important for us, and all staff members are good at assessing pet's body condition score, and making sure that clients understand how important it is for their animals to be the right weight.

One success story yesterday:  a client has had his two springers on a diet for about three months, faithfully bringing them in every two weeks for a weigh in.  His female got very ill about two weeks ago, and had to have an emergency splenectomy.  She survived, partially because her weight was down from where it had been.  I saw both dogs yesterday, and the male is in perfect body condition, with nice muscles, and the female is recovering well from her surgery.  Unfortunately, she was diagnosed with a metastized hemangiosarcoma, so we don't know how long she will be with us.  She looks good, though, and the client is happy that both of them love going for walks and playing outside more than they every have.  And, the client has lost weight too!

I had one client who gave up on her chihuahua's diet because "I can't stand to see him hungry!"  He is over 13# now, and should weigh half that - and he is only 2 years old.  The client also decided to forgo heartworm prevention as well, since 'he probably won't live long when he's so fat, but at least he'll be happy'!  I was speechless.

Sassy February 24th, 2009 04:58:10 PM

Having sighthounds, most dogs I see seem fat.  =)  Keeping my dogs at the correct weight is imperative for their racing careers -- here's a dog that was not built to carry an extra pound or two.  My sister's lab is a very small gal at about 52 pounds, and I think she could lose a bit of weight.  And yet her vet is apparently telling her "put more weight on this dog".  Groan.

And of course I get the "you starve your dogs?" comment, and I always smile & laugh, saying, "Yeah, that's why they're so mean" while the dogs are wiggling and their tails are wagging furiously, propeller-style.  =)  My whippet bitch's racing weight is about 27 pounds.  During her last season, she blimped to about 30 pounds and I did very nearly starve her to get her down.  I was sorry for her, but couldn't let that continue.  This winter, she's at 26 and she looks good.  But honestly,  to me weight doesn't mean nearly as much as muscle mass.  You can really see that my dogs are athletes, and to fatten them up would be a real shame.

Julie in OH February 24th, 2009 04:59:46 PM

Julie, I've got two greys that most people also say are "too thin" but it's saddest when they point to my 11 yr. old Shep-Rott and say "They should look solid, like that one" when the mix is actually only 'built' in the front and is thin in the rear from hip issues (he's losing muscle mass until I can get him out walking in the spring). My greys, to me, actually look heavier than they are. I mentally weigh the male at 78 and he's really 70. My eyes must be the 'camera' that adds 10#s. Other people's cameras must sight differently from mine, lol.

Are you racing with LARK?

KateH February 24th, 2009 05:39:57 PM

A 50 pound Shiba???  Really?  That "grossly obese" whisper for my Shiba came at 35 pounds and suddenly I feel like I'm making progress since she's down to 26-28 pounds.  Maybe I'll get her back in the 17-23 AKC breed standard when we have a yard again.  My Choc Lab is more of a problem.  I just plain have to get a yard for her to run in.  I am finding that high protein, very few or no fillers is what seems to be most satisfying and most likely to give them energy.  When I first put them on diets, I used the minimums I could find on the net for their optimal weights and they gained weight!  6-9 cups for my Lab and 1-3 cups for my Shiba is what I found!  The Lab getting 4 and the Shiba 1 and both have stopped gaining.  Yes, at first I thought I was going to starve them.  Kinda tough to go with half of what you find recommended (my Vet said follow the z/d ultra bag instructions, BAD advice) and not wonder if you're being abusive. 

I watched the videos of Westminster and wondered if the Labs were under the breed standard weights!  They practically waddled.  Mine is about a hand too tall for standard but her butt isn't much broader than the show Labs which is SAD for the show Labs.   I went and looked at the site with the balloon of an orange cat on it.  I'm thinking my idea of fat is a little different than the average owner too.

If someone has a link to a decent chart showing feeding amounts, I'd like to have it.  Kinda past that point for me but would be nice to have it to pass along to friends.

PJBoosinger February 24th, 2009 05:46:24 PM

I love coming home looking forward to reading your blog..

Obesity is a major issue in our lives.. I'm used to doing BMI's, and nutritional counseling on humans, but I can't tell if Socks is overweight.. I don't think so.. How do you test for obesity in an animal? He's a cockapoo, who was the runt of the litter.. 4 yo, and 18 lbs.. He's the guy that eats, and leaves over stuff, and only eats the dehydrated chicken treats.. He's a slug by nature.. but can run like a rabbit..

barri February 24th, 2009 06:04:12 PM

my dog's not fat. She's big-boned.

Larry February 24th, 2009 06:10:38 PM

I think a BIG part of it is the feeding guide on the packaging...

ALL of my clients comment on how little they feed their dogs vs. how much is recommended (ie "I'm already at the lower end of the scale - if I feed any less, she'll starve!!).

My cats eat ONCE a day, when we go to bed.  This cuts down on the begging - they know they aren't getting anything until mom and dad start shutting off the lights at night, at which point they run to their bowls to wait.  They get treats, occasionally, but never off our plates.  They are both lean.

My dogs are all lean and well-muscled, and earn daily comments such as "wow, that dog is SKINNY!" to which I always reply "nope, he/she is just not FAT...." and of course the reply is always a blank look...

My rott mix is a very lean girl naturally, and all my furkids eat high protein, nutrient dense foods (kibble, canned, frozen or home made depending on the individual).  But Lex in particular is constantly getting comments about how underfed she is.  She's a mix, but she's got a rott head - she looks like a miniature rott but weighs in at barely 42lbs.  She's got incredible musculature, and occasionally people "in the know" will comment on how athletic and strong she looks.  But generally she just gets snide remarks about how skinny she is and people ask me all the time if I just rescued her... grrrrrrr...

All this despite the fact that her black coat shines like freshly polished shoes and she's got the energy and stamina of a sled dog.

I use her all the time to demonstrate to people what a dog SHOULD look like (noticeable waist, good tuck, firm muscles, pinch the skin and feel just a whisper of a fat layer...).  The other day, after admitting that his dog was obese and desperately needed to lose weight as his quality of life was being affected, I used Lex as an example dog and the client said "ok - but when I see a dog that looks like that I feel sad - I just want to feed her!"

What's the deal??!  The reason I *don't* overfeed her is because I love her!

Kim February 24th, 2009 06:23:52 PM

I guess when it comes to other people complaining that multiple and/or separate feedings are a problem, I just can't comprehend it. For me it's a fact of life.

I have 7 indoor only cats. I do 3 feedings per day.

One is a megacolon cat and requires one medication in the food twice a day, the other med in every meal, with an almost exclusive wet food diet. He tends to run underweight since the megacolon problem started and yes does act hungry all the time.

One is a bit pudgy in my opinon despite the vet saying otherwise (I feel she is about 1 1/2 lbs overweight). This cat also has urinary Ph issues and has to have medicine mixed in her food in the AM feeding.

Two more (brothers) are just about perfect on weight and one is a certified pig if I'd let him be, the other doesn't eat alot but tends to eat too fast and vomit so I have to make sure he slows down.

The 3 remaining cats (littermates) will only eat dry food. One is so used to eating with his sibs that if they are separated, I have to get on the floor and pretend I'm also eating out of his bowl with him (including noises) because he's used to having a head in his bowl with him. They all weigh what they should, but the male is a bit flabby in comparison to his muscle toned sisters.

Feeding takes about 30 minutes each morning from start to finish. This is including food medicine mixing, measuring out food, the actual feeding, picking up bowls as cats are done, monitoring who is eating which food, and cleaning up afterwards.

Evening feeding takes about 20 minutes because only the one needs medicine in the food that time.

Late night feeding takes about 15 minutes because the megacolon cat only gets half the medication the other feedings required.

That's an hour and five minutes of my day involving feeding. Yes it's a pain at times, yes it makes it a real ordeal leaving a two page feeding routine schedule for the cat sitter, BUT the cats are healthy, happy, and mostly the proper weight. If that's what it takes then that's what it takes, comes part and parcel with pet ownership to me.

I won't even get into sucessfully getting urine samples from all 7 cats when people whine again and again that it's impossible to get urine samples from cats. lol

cl February 24th, 2009 06:42:20 PM

Never follow the feeding instructions on the bag!  That is my number one direction to clients!  Start at the lower end of the range given for your dog, and go down from there.

Some say the amounts are too generous because the companies want to sell more food.  That may have something to do with it.  But also, the amounts are determined (usually, with foods that have had animal feeding tests) by feeding the food to dogs that are in research kennels.  Oh, you think, so they must be pretty sedentary!  No, in fact, these dogs are walked and exercised 6 times a day, not just around the block either, or a short game of fetch!  How many people do you know who offer that amount of exercise to their pet?  So what those dogs are eating is probably going to be more than your dog needs.

In my weight loss program, I determine the amount of food a dog or cat needs, not from the bag, but by looking at average resting energy requirements for an animal that size, and multiply it by factors depending on the pet's age, gender status, and other lifestyle factors., then factoring in the calorie amount in the food they are feeding. The amount is adjusted as needed.  I meet with clients every two weeks to weigh their pet, and adjust the amount fed if needed.  I also help them design an exercise program.  Clients who are motivated WILL get the weight off their pet.  Cats are much more difficult, but it can be done!

Of course, for dogs, there is always Slentrol (rolling my eyes).  I've mentioned it to a few clients, but every one of them has opted instead to just control their pet's intake.  One client said, "So this drug will lessen my dog's begging behavior for X dollars, OR I can just ignore him when he begs or give him affection? Duhh!"  I haven't needed to order it yet!

Sassy February 24th, 2009 07:16:55 PM

drsteggy, H. Houlahan, those are helpful suggestions, I will consider the skinnies-only door thing, thank you. Regina, fortunately or unfortunately, the fat guy can jump just fine--no problem jumping up on to the table, sink, or anything else the others can access. He's amazingly agile for a fellow so overweight. Anna, if you think there's no reason for people to get defensive about this, you may want to re-read a few of the posts above. Some are very helpful and encouraging in tone, towards simply solving the problem, as you suggest. But there are at least a few that are as heavy with disdain and judgment as poor Az is with too much fat. People get defensive? Gee. I. Wonder. Why. Toss me in with imperfect pet owners if you must, but not with ignorant, uncaring ones.

Judy February 24th, 2009 07:35:09 PM

A group of my lean-dog owning friends and I were discussing fat-dog syndrome and we decided that people must be subconsciously keeping their dogs fat because they are much easier to have as pets – they're so much calmer. Makes me insane.

Deanna February 24th, 2009 07:37:48 PM

Sorry Deanna, some of us aren't so perfect but I'm willing to bet there's a few fragile glass windows in your house too.  Not that I'm getting a little defensive or anything now... ;)

PJBoosinger February 24th, 2009 08:27:55 PM

With all of our cats, it can be hard to regulate their weight, but since I switched to home cooked food, with a good amount of raw meat, I can honestly say all my cats have slimmed down considerably.

There is still dry out for those who won't eat the home cooked and/or raw, but now it's in an auto feeder and only dispenses 1 minute of dry food 8 times a day. (this helps keep the dogs out of it as well)

With my dogs, they are dachshunds...and they are FOOD OBSESSED...they get fed twice a day and they get bones to chew on otherwise they would be begging all day long for food. Only the doxie that is a mix with a corgi is fat and she is fat no matter what we do....she doesn't get treats, she gets the same amount of exercise and actually plays more than the other dogs cause she loves to play fetch. But she's a poop eater and eat poop anyones poop...deer poop, dog poop, bird poop, cat poop, heck she even eats earthworms and their poop....we've tried adding products to the food to make it less tasty, but she came to us as a rescue and had all sorts of issues....this is hte last one we can't seem to break...I am sure it adds to the weight. But I do keep the doxies on the thin side on the advice of my vet to help prevent any back issues. I also feed them veggies if they get extra beggy.

LorriM February 24th, 2009 09:24:53 PM

One benefit of having a diabetic dog... we got into the habit of set meal times and quantities, complete with measuring cup. So our new border collie Jack and the cats are fed a measured amount of food in two meals every day. I reduce it or increase it as needed to maintain their weight - Jack was a little skinny when he arrived so we fed him lots for a couple of weeks and then cut it back and have found a portion that maintains his weight.

We had to do it with Chris, our diabetic - no choice about it. Now it's just part of our lives.

Natalie February 24th, 2009 09:42:53 PM

Thanks for this great article - and a few chuckles, too!  I'm a groomer attached to a rescue society.  We rarely see lean or normal sized pets in the salon.  No animal should be out of breath after a few minutes of play.  Having to stop and take a nap?  Nuh uh!  Now, on the other side of the building, we more often than not are fighting to get the animals to eat enough, to gain weight.  We did take in one older Rottie; her owner wanted her put down to put her out of her misery.  But she was a senior who could not lift the dog anymore and the dog was unable to walk.  Well, first thing we did was trim her nails.  She came in weighing 115 lbs.  Gradually, she lost a few pounds here and there, following staff around during Laundry Time.  (Special time where the dogs in the back get to wander freely and socialize under supervision inside.)  She is currently in long-term foster with experienced Rottie owners and is down to 87 lbs... and walking around all the time!  She even plays with their cat now.  It's amazing to see what changes weight loss can bring to an animals life.

My own cat has never been heavy in her19 years.  I have a hard time keeping the weight on her now.  I do believe that part of the reason she's lived such a long life is because she's never once been overweight.  I don't know that I had much to do with that, though.

My dogs have been cockers (mostly rescues) so I have an idea of what a dog diet can be like!  My current dog is almost 2, and I insist she stay under 20 lbs.  If she gets over, its diet time.  We also had a German Shepherd - Golden Lab cross who was a total garbage hound.  As long as we could keep his intake under control, he was a lean shining flash of action!  Sadly, he developed pancreatic problems because of all his gorges in garbage cans. 

Leaner pets are happier, and as noted are more energetic.   And yes, I see some people who prefer to keep their dogs fat so they are calmer. I do believe, though, that like some people, some animals are healthy and happy at a heavier weight.  I work with a lady who has 18 hard-luck rescue cats and I know feeding time at their house takes place in several rooms, to accomodate different needs. 

Love the column!

BCBev February 24th, 2009 10:24:35 PM

I'm the first to admit when mine are fat. One of my boys is chubby. I did a decent job of keeping the weight off until another one of my cats' kidneys started to go. It was imperative that Alex eat, and she absolutely refused to do it if she were separated from the other cats. Her appetite was off as it was, and if you removed the boys from the equation, she was more interested in seeking them out and fraternizing through the door than she was in the food. I tried to keep an eye on things, but they invariably managed to steal a bite or two of her leftovers before I had the chance to intervene. Three months, and he ballooned to 18.9 lbs. (!)

He is a large cat with a big build, but should be more in the 15.5-16 range. I found that he couldn't lose on dry food. Even on the prescription stuff, we were lucky if he just maintained. Switching to predominantly low-carb, higher protein canned food has made all the difference. I was able to get him down to 16.2, which is still a little chunky, but a much healthier weight for him. (I went lax on the dry over the holidays, and he's back up to 17, but we're working on it.) He already has some arthritis in his forelimbs, and we've trapped cats with diabetes and heart disease in the colony we nicked him from.. so keeping the weight off is definitely a priority.

We've been really lucky with the other two weight-wise thus far. *knocks on wood* Thomas carries an extra half a pound or so, but his weight fluctuates a little when he's not doing as well.. so I don't mind his having a little bit of extra padding he can afford to lose. It's so much easier when they naturally have a good metabolism.

Once met a 35 lb. cat.. five years old, should have been in the 10-12 range. I felt very sorry for her.. she was asthmatic, could hardly walk, and had recurrent issues "back there" because she'd developed all manner of skin folds and couldn't have reached them for cleaning purposes even if she'd wanted to. "Dad" was one of the shows-his-love-with-food types. There was obviously a metabolism issue going on as well, as their other cat was just a little on the pudgy side, but.. man. They loved that poor cat into a horrible existence. It was going to be a real project to take that weight off, and they did not seem particularly interested.

Ramen Connoisseur February 25th, 2009 12:10:38 AM

I love the weight loss stories! I rescue shelties and it seems either they are waaaay too thin (puppy mill survivors usually) or hugely FAT (owner turn ins!) It is rare to find pet shelties the right size.

My favorite weight loss story is a little rescue named Pepper. Pepper came in to rescue at 32 lbs., with allergies, low thyroid, skin issues - a host of problems. About 6 months later, I had him down to 23.5 lbs. We placed him in another foster home.

Eleven weeks later, Pepper came back to me at 38 lbs. Which is huge for any sheltie. I took him back into my house and went to work. Nine months later, Pepper was down to his perfect weight - FINALLY! - of 16.5 lbs. He has stayed there for three years now. We have since managed to get a 70 lb. sheltie down to 30 lbs. and we have another at 65 lbs. we just got in that is also dieting.

Our secret? The famous green bean diet. We cut the dog's normal serving of kibble (a dog Pepper's size normally eats 1/4 cup twice a day) in half, then add a handful of green beans. The dog gets the nutrients from the dog food he needs, and is filled up with the low calorie green beans. Our vet is a strong supporter of this diet, and the results speak for themselves. I like to take the dieter to the vet every 3 weeks or so to be weighed to make sure he doesn't lose too quickly. Sometimes they lose a pound, sometimes two, sometimes nothing in those intervening three weeks, but the weight does come off. After a few weeks of just the dieting, we start exercising the dog - a walk to end of the driveway to start, then to the corner, finally all the way around the block. Pepper doesn't chase a ball, but he chases the dog that chases the ball, so we would go outside and play ball. Pepper would start out running 3-4 steps after the ball chaser, then just stand and bark. (hey, he IS a sheltie!) He gradually worked up to running all the way to the ball with the ball chaser, barking the whole way.

Pepper is a wonderful success story, a happy, healthy eleven year old dog. I fear he wouldn't have lived this long if that weight had stayed with him. I have six shelties, all of them a healthy weight. Yes, I have had people with the typical fat pet sheltie ask why my dogs are so "skinny". Um, that's the way they are supposed to look - longer than they are wide! LOL!

robinsdogs February 25th, 2009 07:41:34 AM

I did come off as rather self-congratulatory in my post I realize but before I started doing agility with my miniature pinscher he was kind of pudgy. Vaguely football shaped and he looked like a triangle from behind when he was sitting!

Agility people lose no time in telling you how fat your dog is. But its good actually, though it does feel judgemental, like, you bad ignorant dog owner.

It actually got easier to keep him slim when I switched to home cooked, just saying! :p

Sheyna February 25th, 2009 08:13:36 AM

My cat Simba weighed in at 15 pounds at his check-up in November 2007 and the vet ordered drastic weight loss. A year later at his next check-up, he was down to 12 pounds (technically 11.9 pounds). I knew he had gone down, but had no idea it was by that much. But they weighed him again and yep, 12 pounds again. The day I was told Simba had to go on a diet, I basically completely altered his feeding plan. No free feeding. No dry food. No treats. The best quality grainless, high-protein low carb wet food only--5.5 oz of it doled out over three feedings a day. Guess it really worked...and yes, he's staying on the diet permanently. :)

Anna February 25th, 2009 08:30:10 AM

The green bean diet = awesome.. we used it on a chubby Husky back in the day, and it worked fabulously. (Despite the fact that green beans totally squick me out and I dreaded the sloppy green bean-y post-meal face kisses that followed.)

Wish there was a feline equivalent.

Ramen Connoisseur February 25th, 2009 09:18:36 AM

Re cl: "I guess when it comes to other people complaining that multiple and/or separate feedings are a problem, I just can't comprehend it. For me it's a fact of life."

I'm with you. I have a kitty that pukes if she eats the equivalent of half a 5.5 oz can at once. She has to eat only 1/4 at once. So it's much easier for me to feed them all multiple small meals a day than to deal with her separately. Everybody's on the same schedule, 3-4 1/4 can portions daily, spaced out so nobody pukes.

STefani February 25th, 2009 10:00:40 AM

Hobson re: " I bet our human counterpart physicians are equally frustrated"

Maybe but . . . I have a friend who is a human doctor. She thinks her kitty's obesity is cute. It drives me nuts. I doubt she'd find it equally cute in one of her patients. And she adores her cats. Whenever I try to talk her into cutting out the kibble, she really gets tense and doesn't want to hear it. Rather than preach at her and annoy her, I'm simply waiting around for her dear beloved roly poly to become diabetic . . . so I can help her. Maybe then she'll listen!

Stefani February 25th, 2009 10:04:05 AM

For pets who gobble their food so quickly that they forget to chew and then end up regurgitating (one of my cats does this), you can place an object in their food bowl, large enough that they can't swallow it and made of something they're not inclined to chew on (for Omar it's a golf-ball sized plastic ball). Slows him down as he has to eat around and under the ball. Regurgitation problem solved! It's how I manage with only twice-day feedings - between school and work, just can't be there three times a day.

anna February 25th, 2009 11:32:36 AM

I can understand the feeding issue somewhat.

People's schedules are what they are. I live alone. Between work and school, there are a couple of days a week where I'm out of the house for 12 hours. Fortunately, this is a temporary arrangement, but right now, it is what it is. A woman I know likes to hassle me about putting my diabetic cat on another insulin and giving more frequent injections. (Said cat is doing very well diabetes-wise.) It's not happening. I simply *can't* feed or offer insulin more than twice a day. It's just not possible. I can't be in two places at once. She does not seem to grasp this.

The unwillingness to separate pets during feedings is harder for me to understand, but the scheduling issue.. people have to make do with what they have. Sometimes twice a day is the best it gets.

Ramen Connoisseur February 25th, 2009 11:39:15 AM

And Judy.. I firmly believe that there is no such thing as a "perfect caregiver". Much like the elusive "perfect parent", I've yet to meet one.  ;)

Ramen Connoisseur February 25th, 2009 11:46:41 AM

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Vince February 25th, 2009 03:50:28 PM

How does broccoli sound as a snack? I don't know how my guy got into it, but as soon as he sees me going into the freezer, he sits at attention.. Okay, so I spoil him.. He waits patiently as I nuke it..

I'm reading about all the people taking the animals to the vets to be weighed.. What about a house scale? I started Socks on it at 8 weeks..  and it comes in handy in between grooming appts.. Right now he looks like he's going to explode.. I put him on the scale, and he hasn't gained an ounce.. Looks can be deceiving... When he comes back he'll look very scrawny..

barri February 25th, 2009 05:58:15 PM

#11  I have more than one cat (though I am guilty of this as well)

Jackson February 25th, 2009 06:24:36 PM

barri: I'm big on the ubiquitous carrot nibblers and pre-sliced green apples. Convenience is key. Both these items are readily available. Broccoli works for my dogs, though. They love 'em raw or cooked.

Dr. Patty Khuly February 25th, 2009 07:17:47 PM

I have five cats (from a high of seven a few years ago) and although I originally let them graze when I started acquiring felines back in 1994 I have been feeding them on a schedule for the last eight years or so.  Twice a day, once before leaving for work and once early evening, a few hours after returning from work.  Food has always been measured with a 1/8 cup measuring cup. -- each cat get 2 "cups" per meal, a little less for the petites. I rotate between three premium dry foods at a time interspersed with canned food several times a week.

Medicine and various treatments, when necessary, are dispensed at, just prior to, or just after mealtime.  Except for the slower eating geriatric cat the mealtime is over with in about ten to fifteen minutes.  It's not a big hassle to watch over them (Milla the old cat's bowl will get raided by either the speed-eater or the bully) because I'll spend the time the washing dishes, sweeping the floor, or  engaged in some other small task where I can watch over them or peek in frequently.  I can't remember how or why I instituted this but it coincided with no longer feeding them cheap grocery store food (and its attendant urinary problems) and I probably considered it a cost saving measure also.  I've never gone by (or even read) the bag recommendations but settled on the feeding amounts by observation and instinct.

If there was unbearable resistance I don't recall.  They expect to be fed after I awaken and will begin making noises and trying to "migrate" me to the kitchen within about fifteen minutes of evening mealtime time but no one is currently an out-of-control begger.  If so I would just ignore it.  I can understand the difficulties in feeding multiple pets but for me giving in to begging by anthropomorphizing their "feelings" about eating, their "relief" at being fed  and whether they are "starving" or not is not my style.  All my cats are healthy, happy, have nice waist tucks and would probably be glad for a little more food but do not nag.  If a pet needs to be shown love and attention then actual love and attention is the better option.

(H. Houlahan:  Thanks for the tip. I have been  nursing one of my outdoor semi-ferals for about a month from a severe URI.  He has now developed a head tilt and will be inside at least another month.  I have been letting him graze and keeping his bowls topped off not only to restore the weight lost during his illness but because I have always have food available 24-7 for the backyard strays/ferals.  Shades of puppynerd's "put some meat on the sick feral" I will be confronting the same habit clash as soon as start easing him into full-time associating with the others pending his adoption (I am not releasing him back outside, but  due to his skittishness he will probably need to be in a smaller feline household).  I just hope he's willing to go into the box.

Elle February 25th, 2009 09:04:17 PM

If someone has a link to a decent chart showing feeding amounts, I'd like to have it.

I don't have a link to a chart, but this website has an article that details how we're taught to calculate food requirements in my nutrition classes...

1. calculate your pet's resting energy requirements: (30* body weight in kg)+70= RER in kcal/day
2. multiply the RER by the factor appropriate for your pet's energy level or life stage (i.e. 1.6 for the average neutered adult dog- you can see the full table for dogs on that link). This gives you the maintenance energy requirement (MER) in kcal per day.
3. determine the number of kcal per cup in your pet's food (some companies list this on the bag, most of them list it on their websites, and all should be able to give you the information if you email or call).
4. divide your pet's MER (in kcal/day) by the number of kcal/cup of food to determine the number of cups per day you should feed. So, if your pet needs 50 kcal/day and the food has 100 kcal/cup, (50/100)= 1/2 cup per day.

That gives you one starting point for determining how much food they should be eating, and it may or may not line up with what the bag says... Your pet might need more or less, depending on their individual metabolic rate. Monitor their weight and you'll know if you're doing it right!

Megan February 26th, 2009 08:43:27 AM

Here is a link to a PDF for both feline and canine MER's...

Megan February 26th, 2009 08:46:37 AM

Megan, thanks, I can work with that :)

Weighing pets.  Dogs are a bigger issue because they're, well, bigger and I can't put my Lab on the bathroom scale.  I certainly can't pick her up and then stand on the scale like I can with my cats and, besides, it isn't that accurate when I do this.  So I recently bought a Vet scale.  When I "weighed" the cost of the scale against the other costs of not dealing with my dogs' weight, that $300 dollar scale sounded CHEAP.  Shoot, wouldn't have had a clue where to get one you can buy just about anything on eBay these days.  I got the big monster floor scale and then a second smaller one so I can accurately weigh the cats now too.

I know part of the reason I have been feeding my dogs too much is my horrendous guilt over them not having a yard since I've been ill and my inability to get them out to run and play for the same reason.  Like most people, I didn't like looking at myself for the reasons but now I can deal with my guilt instead of adding insult (even more food/weight) to injury (lack of yard = less exercise = more weight) for my dogs.

PJBoosinger February 26th, 2009 12:24:26 PM

See, that's why everyone should have corgis. Sporty, adorable, portable, AND you can weigh them on the bathroom scale :)

Megan February 26th, 2009 12:50:43 PM

I do think misleading portion recommendations by pet food manufacturers are big contributors to pet obesity. I feed my dogs "by eye" -- when they have a nice waist tuck and I can just feel their ribs ever-so-slightly under their fur, I know they're a good weight. I can then increase/decrease their portions accordingly. My 13 year old GSD has severe arthritis in her hips and I definitely don't want her to have to carry around any more weight than is necessary. I like the suggestions to feed things like raw veggies as snacks -- all our dogs love carrots (my Mom's dog loved radishes, of all things). As for cats, I was always a free-feeding kibble person until I went to a feline veterinary specialist with my slightly obese elderly cat. The vet recommended I switch to wet food because the additional water content helps the cat feel full, and she said that the average cat only needs to eat 4 oz. of wet food per day (i.e., two-thirds of one can). I read a lot of cat food labels which say to feed your cat two full cans per day, (11 or 12 oz.) so no wonder lots of cats are overweight! I now have 16 cats (included a number that I'm fostering), and they all get 4 oz. of wet food (sometimes canned, sometimes homemade), and not one of them is overweight. Just feeding the correct quantity of food has been a real revelation. I feed my cats twice a day, 2 oz. each meal, and every cat is fed individually (it's quite a spectacle). I like doing it because it allows me to clearly see that every cat is eating properly; if a cat doesn't feel well and doesn't eat, I catch it immediately. I once had a depressed foster cat develop hepatic lipidosis and require a $1200 feeding tube, and that experience has made me extra cautious. I have two "fat fosters" (26 and 23 lbs.) who were used to being free-fed kibble, but I switched them to the two daily feedings and they picked up the concept very quickly.

Leigh-Ann February 26th, 2009 05:02:34 PM

Yes, Socks is a little guy, but his cousin Madison isn't.. She's a 65lb  Golden Doodle.. She has been trained to sit on the scale for a treat.. I have a balance beam scale..  I agree about the inaccuracy of holding the animal to get a weight..

I don't know if there is  an accurate chart of the amounts of food an animal needs.. I think it's a trial, and error situation based on the energy expenditure of the animal.. In the (NY)winter months, when I know we aren't going  for long walks, I decrease the amount of food, and make sure we run in the house.. It's a little funny waiting for the two of us to catch our breaths.. and start again. Occasionally  it becomes a family thing, and we have everyone bouncing .  We try to go at least 1/2 hour..

Any suggestions on how to get my guy to eat carrots, and apples?

barri February 26th, 2009 06:00:58 PM

One of you who has a bunch of cats please put up a web cam or take a video and post it   I can't wrap my mind around being able to feed multiple cats individually but simultaneously.  I've only got three and it's chaos when I occassionally give them canned food and even when I just refill the dry food bowl.  I might consider giving it a try if I could see some examples of it being done successfully without chaos.

PJBoosinger February 26th, 2009 08:57:21 PM

Barri, I sliced the carrots into thin slivers and did some cheese slivers too.  Carrots first, then a couple of cheese slivers.  The number of carrot slivers went up and the cheese down until now they just get carrot slivers and still think it's a treat.  (They do prefer the canned w/water baby carrots to raw fresh carrots, think it's the softer texture and that they think anything coming out of a can must be good stuff.)

PJBoosinger February 26th, 2009 09:03:11 PM

(sorry this is one huge paragraph, but I can't seem to get the formatting to stick) PJBoosinger, I can't claim there isn't some chaos around dinnertime, but I can honestly say that it's just two cats of my sixteen who cause most of the pandemonium (they jump and leap like they're possessed by jackrabbits). The cats all know where they go to eat -- 6 of them eat downstairs, 10 of them eat upstairs -- and every cat automatically goes to its specific feeding area when I bring out the bowls of food. The easiest way for me to avoid mealtime headaches is by taking all the empty food bowls into a separate room (away from all cats) to fill them -- I often use the laundry room as my prep area, and then I just deliver the filled bowls to the waiting cats. I place each bowl about two feet away from its nearest neighbour, and I always put the bowls down in the same order, i.e., "Scampi" has his dish put down first, "Dobby" gets her dish second, "Frank" is always third, "Derek" knows he's fed last, etc. I only feed wet food, and pretty much every cat finishes at the same pace. I do have one cat who is a delicate eater and sometimes eats more slowly than the others, and if I notice that happening I just take a seat nearby for a minute to make sure no other cats try to steal her food while she finishes. Sometimes that minute that I sit to watch the cat eat is the first time all day I've had a break, so I try to enjoy it. If you want to try doing individual feedings, I think wet food might be easier to work with than kibble (at least initially). I find that eating pace varies a lot more when kibble is involved because I've got cats aged from 1 year to 17 years, and the older cats have the disadvantage of fewer teeth -- wet food evens the dental playing field :) Fill three dishes for your cats, set them on the floor about a foot or more apart, and if necessary, lift/adjust your cats until they're each eating out of a separate dish. The first couple of days might be confusing for them if they all want to eat from *every* dish, but I'd bet they quickly learn the concept of having a bowl to themselves. I've got a mishmash of different dishes that I've acquired over the years (different colours, sizes, etc.) and I know the cats recognize the dish they eat from. That might help you too, if you buy each cat a unique bowl and always feed them only from that bowl. My blog is at TheBlogPound.com, and my email address is on there. If you'd seriously like a video of a mealtime here, I'll see if I can make one and send it to you. My big mealtime headache is the expense, not the process.

Leigh-Ann February 27th, 2009 03:32:13 AM

On a related note, I read a book a couple of years ago about a cat-only shelter which is run out of a private home (I wish I could remember the name of the shelter or the book, but all I recall is that it was written like someone's doctoral thesis and focused on the topic of how cats in large groups learn to interact when members are always being added and subtracted via adoptions and intake). The shelter housed about 60 cats at any given time, and every cat was fed from an individual bowl... I remember that one cat liked to eat on top of the refrigerator, a couple of cats liked their bowls put behind the fridge, etc. I couldn't even begin to imagine the logistics of 60 cats each finding a bowl to eat from, but I guess the cats knew the routine and habitually ate in the same place.

Leigh-Ann February 27th, 2009 03:39:53 AM

PJ boo: re: " can't wrap my mind around being able to feed multiple cats individually but simultaneously" --

OK, so in my house, it's a modified version of this. The boy kitty, who is 2, will not allow any of the older females to eat. He hunches over his food growling, inhales, then runs the gauntlet from plate to plate scaring everyone else off their food. So, boy kitty is fed on the landing to the basement and I clsoe the door on him. The three older female kitties are fine and leave each other alone until the first one finishes. Sometimes, sometimes not, the slowest eater gets pushed aside before she finishes, so if I notice that the two faster eaters don't leave the area, I stand sentry and protect the slow eater. Who is a SLOW SLOW SLOW eater. She takes a bite, sits up, looks around, hangs out, takes another bite, and so on. (The way doctors TELL we humans to eat!)

Admittedly, it's not SUPER easy (given instructions to the petsitter is a trip) but for me personally, it's easier than trying to feed at different times.

Stefani February 27th, 2009 11:21:21 AM

Megan: The corgis I see are among the most obese patients I have. Dunno why but the predisposition must be there. 

Dr. Patty Khuly February 28th, 2009 03:58:25 AM

To all of you who say your normal-weight animals are perceived as too thin - LOL!

I think we all have a skewed idea of what an appropriate weight animal or human looks like. I am a physician (no longer practicing) and a while ago I was part of a multidisciplinary (many specialties) clinic. Almost every child we saw was overweight. One day we saw a boy who every one thought was too thin, until the nutritionist showed us his growth chart - he was exactly where he was supposed to be! We just got so used to seeing fat kids that a nornal one seemed thin to us.

silkenpaw February 28th, 2009 09:14:06 AM

silkenpaw, I hear you.  I was 10 pounds overweight in high school and I'm exactly the same weight nearly 30 years later.  The only thing that has changed is that doctors now tell me I'm fine at this weight and even had one tell me I could stand to gain a few pounds :)  (PS: No intent to brag on not gaining weight since my own health problems get credit for that, not me.)

PJBoosinger February 28th, 2009 09:04:25 PM

Dr. Kuhly: Alas, corgis are more often sausage-shaped than corgi shaped. My girl gets called skinny regularly, even though she's still a pound or two overweight. They fall into lazy couch-potato life pretty easily,  their small size makes people treat them like delicate little apartment dogs, and they love to eat... But they also love to run and work, so it's not hard to get them active!

Megan March 2nd, 2009 04:52:49 AM

I heard a new one today...a long haired dog who is 20 pounds heavier than when we saw him in August.  The owner patiently explained that in August, the dog had been shaved down.  So that 20 pound was just hair.  Never mind that jell-o jiggle UNDER said hair.

20 pounds of hair!  Come on!

fizzy March 3rd, 2009 12:44:05 PM

OK, I have been shamed into putting my two big cats on a diet. The prospect of diabetes scared me enough. I used to leave out their dry food, and they would snak on it all day long. For the past several days, however, I have been feeding them good low-carb canned food twice a day, with a small snack of dry (also low-carb) in the middle of the day. They are LIVID. Lucky me, I get to go to work, but my husband is at home during the day and has to deal with two hungry and ornery cats. They follow him everywhere, including there, where humans generally prefer to have their privacy, vocalizing angrily, butting into his legs. One of them runs after my husband and drops to the floor just bearly ahead of him, tripping him (balance and grace of movement are not my husband's fortés). This results in angry phone calls to my office, pleading with me to give up the information on where I hide the dry food (I have been firm so far). When I get home after work, I get mobbed by two starving butterballs, but at least I get to feed them (with my coat still on). Then they relax. I don't know how much longer I can subject my spouse to this regimen. Any suggestions are appreciated.

Natalie Kramer March 3rd, 2009 06:30:22 PM

Any suggestions are appreciated.

You could try one of the interactive-type feeding systems (i.e. the SlimCat feeding ball). When I had to put my dog on I diet, I started feeding her about half of her meal using a Molecule Ball, which is like the SlimCat for dog-sized kibble. That way she had to work a little for her food, and it kept her busy longer so there was less  time for begging :)

I've also heard of a homemade interactive kitty toy where you take a big block of wood and drill holes into it just wide enough for a kitty paw to fit inside. Then you place a few kibbles of food down inside each hole and the kitty has to fish it out with his paw. No one says pets have to eat out of food bowls!

Megan March 5th, 2009 07:40:17 AM

Pet obesity is a sticky issue for me because I suffered from anorexia for years. I have a hard time gauging my own body weight, and worry that my dismorphia carries over to how I view my pets, particularly my dog, a two-year-old pit bull. I feed her the recommended amount of food for her size, age, and activity level, which is usually high. On days when I know she's going to be bumming around (because I have the flu, we're going on a long car ride, it's raining, etc.), I feed her less. She's a beautiful little dog, but people always comment on how skinny she is. Worried that I was projecting my own troubles onto my dog, I took her to the vet, who pronounced her perfectly healthy. She reassured me further by saying that such a great majority of pets are overweight, that a normal dog or cat appears too skinny.

Chelsea March 5th, 2009 08:26:52 AM

Thank you, Megan! My two guys are still really unhappy. For them, the elimination of the buffet-style feeding regimen has been a shock and life-changing experience.

Natalie Kramer March 5th, 2009 04:59:51 PM

My minpin was one of those dogs that its nearly impossible to keep weight on, his whole life.  I tried just about every food out there, and, without resorting to absolutely crappy junk food (which of course worked like a charm), whats worked the best for him is the high end grain-free kibble.  Yes, my dog eats better than I do.  Still, I would have to free feed him, allowing him to munch all day long to keep the weight on...  This worked fine until I adopted a new dog, a small energetic spitzy mutt who was quite skinny when I got her, and I was told by her foster home that they always had a hard time keeping weight on her.  PERFECT, I thought, and allowed her to free feed as well.

Cut to a few months later, and she's gained a bit of weight, and I think she looks good.  She's still got a waist and a decent tuck... but when i weigh her, i find that she's gone from about the 11.5lbs that she was when i got her (when i felt she was a bit thin) all the way up to 16lbs!!! I decided right there that I needed to at the very least stop the weight gain, but it was radiographs taken a few weeks later (my co-worker borrowed my well behaved little mutt to use as a model for the radiographs she needed to send in for her  lvt coursework) that showed horrible horrible hip conformation that scarred me into deciding to reduce her weight drastically, that it would be better to have her a bit underweight and get more time out of those hips.

This was the beginning of separating the dogs for mealtime and measuring how much they got.  The minpin is still allowed to eat as much as he'd like, but he has to eat it in a certain amount of time or it disappears.  I've learned that on average he eats a little over a cup of food a day.    The other dog I started out with a little less than the bag recommendation.  Two months later she hadnt really lost anything.  So i started cutting it down more.  At this point she gets about quarter of a cup of food each day, and she's losing nicely. 

The problem was, the poor thing always seemed hungry.  She'd finish her food and go looking for more.  If she had the opportunity, she'd sneak off to the cat room and raid litter bins.  She'd sit on the couch and just STARE at me.  Now, my dogs DONT beg, ever.  They never get people food, and they know I'm not going to give them any of it, so they dont bother.  I can sit with my food on my lap on the couch, and they'll lay at the other end and fall asleep.  So this behavior was rather bothersome to me.    So I started adding the magical green beans to her food.  A quarter of a can of the cheapest brand in the store, "no salt added" green beans per night, and voila! A much more satisfied dog. 

The point of all this, and something I like to tell clients (vet assistant here) is that not all dogs need the same amount of food, and you cant just assume that because one animal is bigger that it needs more food.  You need to evaluate your pets on an individual basis to figure out what their needs are.  Case in point my minpin who stays thin while eating 4x what his girlfriend (who currently weighs 3lbs more than him) eats each day.  There is no perfect formula, you have to work at it, but if you're willing to adjust your routine a bit, it can definately work.

Oh, and I'd like to point out, this is with no additional excercise.  My dogs run and play in the house, and in the backyard, and nothings changed on that front.  She lost the weight through simple reduction of calories, which is why it continually amazes me that its so hard to get people to get weight off their dogs.

Ssorca March 6th, 2009 12:25:52 PM

With #10 - I bet if you asked them how long their "didn't die early" obese pets lived, it would be something like "oh, all the cats made it to at LEAST six years!" (said proudly).

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