There is an etiquette to every practice under the sun. Whether you’re a lounging lizard intent on staying alive through breeding season or a dog entering ground zero in a puppy park, there’s a right way and a wrong way to go about it. So, too, should you consider your approach to switching veterinarians.
You’ve been with your vet for years, but sometimes you get the feeling your pet may benefit from a change, especially now that your cat’s got diabetes. Or perhaps you’ve come to realize that you and your veterinarian really aren’t as like minded as you previously thought. Maybe you’ve always known it and just never got up the nerve to break up with your vet.
As a veterinarian, perhaps the information I’ll provide below is somewhat slanted in favor of my own feelings (when is it not?), but if you consider the Golden Rule you’ll understand that protecting feelings is what etiquette is all about. With that in mind, here are my tips for breaking up with your veterinarian...in seven not-necessarily-so-simple steps.
1-Making the decision
Here’s a whole post on how to know if you need a new pet healthcare provider...in case you’re unsure.
2-Saying goodbye
If you’ve been with your veterinarian for a long time you might feel obligated to let him or her know that you’re moving on. If you’re on good terms, explaining in person or writing a really nice letter “excusing” yourself may be the thing to do.
Just don’t take this opportunity to bash your vet over the head with your reasons unless 1-you’re not happy and you want your vet to understand how he/she might do things better or 2-you plan to offer some face-saving white lies (he’s too far, she’s too expensive, etc.). Otherwise, you’re likely to offend...and who needs the negativity if it’s not going to help anyone in the end?
3-Keeping it quiet
Remember what your mother told you: “If you can’t say something nice don’t say anything at all.” Yep. Sometimes it’s best to just leave. From a veterinarian’s point of view, I’d probably rather not know--that is, unless you have something useful to say.
A few months from your departure your vet may wonder where you went, but it’ll probably be a fleeting thought that comes and goes until you pass from memory altogether. It’s not that we don’t value you, it’s just that sometimes we’d rather not dwell on why you left. (Life’s stressful enough, right?)
4-All in the family
Let’s say you really want to try out a young new vet in the practice but you’re worried you’ll offend your long-time old-timer. Please remember that the reason your veterinarian hired this young buck (or doe) is because he or she wants you to establish new relationships with trusted veterinarians. If you must say something, compliment your long-time vet on his/her choice of excellent colleagues.
If you’re just trying out all the veterinarians in the practice to see who fits you best, that’s almost always OK with us. Contrary to popular client belief, we’re not as sensitive about these things as you might think. Remember, the reason we practice together is because we trust one another and have learned to share well.
5-YOUR medical records
Saying goodbye to your veterinarian is often hampered by one crucial thing: Your medical records. In my experience, clients are so sensitive about not wanting to offend their past veterinarian that they refuse to request records altogether, preferring that either 1-we call for the records or 2-we “start over” with a whole new series of diagnostic tests.
But the latter, altogether too common approach is NOT what’s best for your pet. Having all the records and X-rays handy means your pet gets the best care possible.
To keep this from becoming an issue, I recommend that you always keep a copy of your pet’s medical records handy. Not only is this crucial should you travel with your pet or should she suffer an emergency after hours, it also means you have the option of a second opinion easily at the ready.
Many of my clients request copies of the records after every visit. And I think this is smart.
The only caveat I would add is that X-rays are not technically part of your medical record. We are required by law to keep them on file so are not transferrable from vet to vet except when we know they are to be returned. Copies can be made, however, and digital X-rays can be copied to a disk.
6-Coming back to the fold
Recognize that your change might not prove so productive. You may feel you need to come back to the fold after a few months or years. It’s true that sometimes you don’t know what you have until you lose it. That’s why I always recommend you leave any situation with a minimum of negativity. Never burn your bridges, right?
If you do find you want to come back don’t feel you need to apologize for your “lapse.” We get it. And we’re just happy you trust us enough to come on back.
7-Remember the goal
It’s all about getting what’s best for your pet. You shouldn’t feel that any one person (or his or her feelings) are standing in the way of his or her best interest. Be positive. Be honest. And don’t be a shrinking violet. Do what you need to do on behalf of your animals. Our egos are not so delicate that we won’t understand.
I know you have more tips from your client’s or veterinary team’s point of view. Offer them up here...
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I'm on the verge of making this decision. It's really hard because I'm such a loyal person, and it's been close to 20 years with this practice.
Are there usually charges to get copies of medical records for the transfer?
Roxanne @ Champion of My Heart February 5th, 2009 02:46:01 PM
On records, I agree but do your provider the courtesy of not asking for multiple copies and keep your first generation copy for your files, providing a fresh copy to new providers. Dr. K, is that X-ray thing state law or new or ??? I ask because I've transported X-rays between Vets in the past. That you put "YOUR" in all caps indicates you know who the records belong to. Not so all Vets and I've had a couple bark in response to my first routine request for a copy... NEXT Vet please. :) (PS: Most legal clients are bluffed into thinking legal files belong to attorneys but, generally, they too belong to the client.)
On keeping quiet... Well, yes, I'll keep quiet while I cool off and gather my facts. No guarantees after that; some bridges need torched with a fire big enough to warn others off. My reason for letting the Vet know would be only to give him/her fair warning with no expectation of resolving anything at that point. Lawyers often encourage clients to accept offers that come with a gag provision. Most clients come to regret signing these and are often eaten up by it because they know others may be harmed by their silence. I suspect those who open their homes to pets would be in this latter category rather than amongst those selfish enough to care only for themselves.
PJBoosinger February 5th, 2009 03:12:33 PM
Keep meaning to put my email addy at the end of posts and forgetting... PJBoo9@yahoo.com One of these days I may figure out how you guys do the auto entry and links things :)
PJBoosinger February 5th, 2009 03:18:28 PM
Nope. It's not a new law on the X-rays. You can sign out the X-rays but you are legally agreeing to bring them back when you do so. It may also be that your vets copied the X-rays. This is a common practice in emergency room settings but it's getting less necessary now that digital X-rays make CDs so easy to cart around.
What people misunderstand is that you're not being charged for the X-rays, per se. You're being charged for their interpretation. The interpretation is included on the medical record as a finding. The X-rays themselves belong to us. You may borrow them (and it's your legal right to do so) but they're technically ours as we MUST maintain them on file for at least seven years.
Dr. Patty Khuly February 5th, 2009 03:21:13 PM
Roxanne: Yes, it's common to charge for this service. We almost always waive any fees, though. (We don't want to burn any bridges either.) But if a client is nasty or abusive in some way we've been known to charge $5 as a "copying fee." I'm not sure there's a legal limit to what can be charged but I've heard scary stories about $5 a page. That's abusive, IMO.
But a veterinarian, just like a physician, cannot refuse you your written medical records and any accompanying documents. They'll try sometimes (as when you have not paid your bill) but this is illegal. In fact, I once had cause to call out a physician specialist when his billing department refused me my records because my insurance company was slow to pay them. As soon as I offered to call the Board to let them know about this ethical breach they handed me my records ASAP. I'll never go back...and maybe I should've called the Board anyway.
Dr. Patty Khuly February 5th, 2009 03:28:06 PM
I've never been charged by a Vet for records (even the ones that initially balked about giving up a copy). The general rule on copies is that the charges be "reasonable" and I've regularly been charged $5/page by human medical providers. That was considered "reasonable" by many when they had to manually copy each page. IMO, it was always abusive, more so when so much is stored electronically now. I'm sorry but there's nothing reasonable about $5/page to hit the "forward" button and send it to me by email! This is a common issue with many professionals and is probably what underlies Obama's push to centralize and digitize medical records (although I think that comes with some BIG issues too).
PJBoosinger February 5th, 2009 04:07:09 PM
Re: "Many of my clients request copies of the records after every visit. And I think this is smart. "
I agree. This is important for many reasons.
1. In the event of an emergency, like a Katrina, or hurricane, etc. You may have to relocate with your pet. It's always valuable to have these. And don't think your geographic area is immune! Most of us live within range or SOME kind of natural disaster.
2. Similarly, if your vets office should close, s/he should die, and somehow you don't get notified . .. and the records go to storage . .. and no one can find them. (It has happened, really).
3. Having copies of your veterinary records - including labwork-- allows you to personally review trends in your pet's health that your vet may not catch. If your vet sees an abnormal value on the bloodwork, he might just say: "let's watch the trend." But what if he missed it before? What if the prior work was OK, but the one before that was not, and this is a consistent finding? Or, heaven forfend, what if the vet perpetually misses and/or fails to discuss out of range values with you? You need to be able to see it yourself.
4. You can read and correct incorrect or missing things. When you go in and give details about what's going on with your pet, they may not write down important facts, which may make a difference down the road in diagnosis or treatment. Reviewing this regularly and making sure it's right, and getting it corrected when it's not, is very important.
5. It allows you to QA your vet. For all the above reasons, PLUS: You can see how much detail the vet writes, you SHOULD see initials beside treatments that indicate who did it. That way, you can find it if it's a LICENSED technicion doing it, a VET, or an UNLICENSED ASSISTANT. You don't want unlicensed assistants giving medical treatments.
6. If you should suspect veterinary malpractice, or wish to file a complaint with a vet board, you are going to need those records. If you wait until such circumstances arise, there is a good chance that you will find these records miraculously are retroactively modified. You are going to need to be able to demonstrate that. If you get in the habit of asking for your records, it will be less likely to set off alarm bells when your dog dies during a dental and you ask for them afterwards.
Just get in the habit of this. It feels weird and intrusive at first, but after a while, it becomes routine.
Stefani February 5th, 2009 04:15:19 PM
PJ, Re: "Most clients come to regret signing these and are often eaten up by it because they know others may be harmed by their silence. "
You are SO RIGHT about this. Most of us who have had horrible vet experiences -- this is why we speak out. The only way we can get any solace is in the knowledge that we are trying to protect others. There is no other motive and it comes at great cost - sometimes threats, lawsuits, ostracism from friends or "rescue groups" who are fans of the vet, etc.
stefani February 5th, 2009 04:17:45 PM
Many of my clients request copies of the records after every visit. And I think this is smart.
I always ask for copies when there is lab/blood work being done as well as interpretations of ultrasounds, etc. However, am I legally entitled to what my vet writes in her files during each and every visit as well? Like the stuff she scribbles down as I'm telling her? I never thought about that, but I'd love to keep copies of everything...
Kay February 5th, 2009 05:24:19 PM
So, what about xrays? We switched from a vet who, among other issues, is quite far away (we moved). They mailed us our dog's (bare minimum - only record of treatment, does not include any test results) medical records, but WILL NOT mail our new vet xrays, even with the promise of return. They've given us the run around on this for almost a year now (we want the old xrays for comparison purposes with new xrays). Currently they are insisting that the only way we can get them is by both picking them up and returning them in person, and that they will absolutely not create any copies. Is there anything to be done about this other than traveling there and back (and then I assume they will find another reason to not actually hand the xrays over)?
Also, why are xrays expensive if you are not buying the xray itself? Is it really just the price of the service, not the xray itself? It seems absurd that we do not own it afterwards. I don't believe that's the case for human xrays (certainly I've had less trouble getting copies...). I'm sorry to sound so bitter about it, but it really seems like a bit of a scheme to hold you hostage if you don't want to have them done again (if that's even possible - in our case we're looking for changes so we *can't* recreate the older xrays).
monkeypedia February 5th, 2009 09:03:05 PM
Oops, sorry. I missed some of the comments and realized at least part of my question/rant was addressed. I'm still unclear on whether we have any legal right to xrays (or copies) though? Or is it up to each vet's generosity to share xrays with your next vet?
monkeypedia February 5th, 2009 09:05:44 PM
I wish I had started asking for copies of the boys' records from day one. Not because I have or anticipate having any problems with our vet. (On the contrary, she is phenomenal, and we love her!) Unfortunately, one of our cats has amassed a sizable record over the past four and a half years, and I am dreading having to ask for the entire thing in one go should I ever have to leave the area.
His computerized record (with an entry of a setence or two per visit) is twenty pages long, and I've seen the actual file.. it looks like a copy of War and Peace. Obviously, not everything in there is essential, and I'm sure the vet-to-be would probably appreciate having things trimmed a bit for their sake, too. But even if you remove the unnecessary bits, the record is still going to be huge, huge, huge.
I will likely be forced to make a temporary move post graduation.. and I already pity the poor receptionist that gets stuck fielding that request. (A lot.) Serious baked goods will be in order, as well as an offer to pay for the time and supplies involved.
Just out of curiosity (I'm sure someone here must know).. legally, what is the obligation of a vet to disclose a patient's medical records? I once worked for a vet who occasionally denied requests for records (particularly to 'difficult' clients or those switching to a vet she didn't care for).. and much of the time, she would release them only to the new vet. (Sometimes, when she would refuse to let us fax a record to a different vet for petty reasons, we would "forget" to call the client back and inform them. Invariably, they'd call back the next day when the more reasonable vet was working.. and they'd get their records.) I don't know that I can recall any instances where a copy was provided directly to the client. Either way, we were only allowed to fax out the bare minimum, which I, as an owner would not have been satisfied with- particularly for a pet with a complex medical history. So, anyway.. ethically speaking, her practices always seemed suspect to me. Legally, I would assume that there is some obligation to provide the records.. if not to the client themselves, then to the new healthcare provider. Yes? No? Maybe?
Ramen Connoisseur February 5th, 2009 10:01:21 PM
Dr. K: What you're saying is all Greek to me! "But a veterinarian, just like a physician, cannot refuse you your written medical records and any accompanying documents. They'll try sometimes (as when you have not paid your bill) but this is illegal."
My struggle to obtain copies of my companion's medical records @ Asproolee’s Story
Fotini February 5th, 2009 10:08:10 PM
Ramen C. Your comment made me laugh! I didn't feel bad ONE BIT, the day I went to pick up my "mountain" of vet records from Edgefield Veterinary Hospital in Hampstead. If I was so much as charged 25 cents a page, it would have ran into the hundreds! As it were, I was charged for duplicating (yes it IS done & easily) for TWO individual x-rays....when the original was a single split film....
They are PAID for & you are entitled to them, it is the LAW. It is a damn shame, I was still walking around in delirious shock, if it were today, perhaps I would have had plenty to say & felt good.
Only an IDIOT, would have not seen the mountains of $$$$$ that those pages represented and to make me sign a paper saying I would have to PAY if I again requested them is LAUGHABLE, if it were not so sad!
I just wonder how receiving "redacted" copies is viewed in the "eyes of the law"...hmmm. visit http://walnut-hill.bravehost.com to view what "double record pages can look like---less than a full sheet width)
PJBoosinger: Please visit and contact Companion Animal Protection Alliance www.fourourcompanions.com with your interest in this subject.
Barbara A. Albright/New Hampshire Advocate for Ethical & Compassionate Veterinary Care
Pocket's Story from NH February 5th, 2009 10:23:09 PM
I started getting in the habit of requesting all test results faxed or mailed as soon as they become available and have many times gone back to compare new test results to old ones or to verify the date we did a procedure. Periodically, I request the notes from the vet's file as well and those are also extremely helpful. I keep my base copy and provide future vets with copies as needed so only request them from the vet once. That way, if I leave, I don't have to worry about arguing over getting a copy of the records - I already have them. I've changed vets and specialists three or four times in the last fifteen years. Usually it is because of "the practice" - in one case it was the support staff who were all cold at best and rude more often and in another it was because the practice was overwhelmed and care was failing as a result. The other reason I leave vets is a mismatch in approach or communication style. I consider us a team - besides really insightful and skillful care, the vet has to be willing to explain things to me in detail and discuss issues with me and get to know me well enough to know that I want to know all my options. A great vet is worth everything to me...
Natalie k9diabetes February 6th, 2009 01:25:53 AM
Okey dokie, I have a law degree and am NOT currently in practice. Nothing I say is legal advice to anyone and anything I say on a blog is from the hip and TOTALLY my personal, non-professional opinion.
It looks to me like AVMA has some regs on Veterinary Medical Records. However, it seems to me that this is mostly a matter of state law which would probably prevail over AVMA should there be a conflict. Subject to specific state laws to the contrary and provided the professional has been paid in full, it is my personal opinion that Veterinary Medical Records (professional's records in general) are the property of the client, held by the professional as a custodian. I believe the originals belong to the client with the professional having the right to make a copy (at their own expense) and that includes radiographs (X-rays) and work product (professional opinions contained within client files).
Records retention. See http://www.avma.org/advocacy/state/issues/sr_records_retention.asp There is an excellent legal argument that Vets should inform patients of these limitations and their own practices and best practice would be to send a letter to a client advising of pending destruction with an opportunity for the client to retrieve the records should they so desire. (If I were a Vet and had a client huff out, I'd copy their file and mail it to them CMRRR along with a very pleasantly worded letter closing the relationship.)
Records privacy and release. See http://www.avma.org/advocacy/state/issues/sr_confidential_records.asp There is quite a bit of diversity in the state statutes. Some states provide for charges for records or even exclusions of certain items (like radiographs). It is my personal opinion that these charges and exclusions would fail if subjected to legal challenge as the argument is: I paid for them, they're mine; you're just holding them for my benefit. It is my personal opinion that this has been rather clear for many years and, with the easy methods of electronic copying now available, there is little to no argument to the contrary that would stand up in a court.
If the professional hasn't been paid, it is my personal opinion that the records STILL belong to the client. HOWEVER, the professional can probably hold them hostage until payment is made. HOWEVER, I suspect that also means they can't be destroyed if they are withheld. Therefore, best practice would be to give them up upon request of the client - it's not worth it, especially if withholding the records could result in additional costs to the client or harm to the client which could then bootstrap a lawsuit.
Sorry Dr. K, I think most of us who've been in professional practice want to believe that the records (or at least the originals or the more difficult or costly to copy ones at least) are ours. The thought that we need to build in an allowance for copy costs is annoying. For you it's radiographs; for attorneys, video depositions... These days, I'd be likely to call this an Urban Myth that's rapidly being debunked. One of my attorneys was none too happy after 20+ years in practice to find out he'd have to foot the bill to copy all the video depositions and transcripts in my case if he wanted a copy of them. I had told him at the outset that I wanted the file upon case conclusion. He'd dismissed it thinking I wouldn't be willing to pay and because he didn't know our state Supremes had ruled very clearly and directly on point in my favor already.
Barbara, usually redactions are of work product. If the bill has been paid, I personally think a court/judge would take a very dim view of redaction; more so if the redaction is for the purpose of hiding information. If the provider's fees haven't been paid, there might be an argument that the client isn't entitled to the work product. Via lawsuit, one can usually obtain unredacted copies through the discovery process. Thanks for the other link, I'll check them out.
PJBoosinger February 6th, 2009 02:02:31 AM
PS: We've all become accustomed to telephones and email and instant everything. When requesting records, if there's any balking at all, put your request in writing and send it by certified mail, return receipt requested. A professional's general office practices and protocols probably don't have to be produced outside of a lawsuit discovery process. The existence of a law doesn't mean that law won't be violated, just that there is a method for holding someone who violates it accountable. As previously mentioned, that method is far less than perfect, is frustrating, time consuming and usually very expensive. If you're trying to get a government attorney to hold someone criminally responsible, you may have to stand on them and kick to get action.
PJBoosinger February 6th, 2009 02:23:14 AM
I'm struggling with the thought of changing vets right now. We moved here in July. I found a vet I love, but. . . the head vet in the practice makes all the rules, so the vet I like has to follow rules that neither of us agree with (such as all vaccinations every year).
I'd like to stay with my vet, but I'm not willing to vaccinate for everything every year. So I may switch to the one vet clinic in the area that does DHPPC every 2 years (not even 3 years like the AAHA protocol) and rabies every 3 years.
Nita February 6th, 2009 07:41:51 AM
PJBoosinger: I absolutely agree that I must disclose all my records upon request. They DO belong to the client. I should've been clear: Faxing or emailing records is FREE. Copying records costs us more, which is why we reserve the right to charge for this service (and recall, it's rare for me to charge anything at all, even for extensive copies).
In my state it's illegal for me to hold onto a client's records--maliciously or not. In any case, it's unethical to hold them in any state, thus it becomes a Board issue. Anyone who does not receive their records, whether they've paid their doc in full or not, can lodge a complaint with the Board and more than likely get their records that way.
Dr. Patty Khuly February 6th, 2009 07:51:19 AM
monkeypedia: For better or worse, that's the law. This law allows the original to remain in the hands of a licensed authority instead of in yours. That way, there's accountability should they be lost.
In human medicine, copying machines have been readily available for X-rays for decades. And now with digital X-rays, few hospitals ever need to copy films in the old style. Veterinarians have not yet fully caught up to the $25-$50K trend in digital radiography (and few invest in copying machines for requests that come once a month on average). It's just too expensive compared to the old style (which is still perfectly acceptable).
As to mailing X-rays, I wouldn't hesitate as long as I has your signature to that effect. Holding your films hostage due to legal minutia doesn't seem like the right thing to do to any animal.
Dr. Patty Khuly February 6th, 2009 07:57:52 AM
PJ, re: "Via lawsuit, one can usually obtain unredacted copies through the discovery process"
That is, unless the vet has destroyed or tampered with the originals.
The morning I arrived to see my Toonces rigid, seizing, glassy eyed, I saw his file folder. I opened it and looked at the log therein. It had two entries, in different handwriting and different pen color: presumably one each from each of the two "vet tech" visits Sunday morning and Sundy evening. The first entry included the words "cat unresponsive." The second included the words: "cat still unresponsive."
I was stupid: I didn't take a copy of that. Or demand it. I was shaking, in shock, believing the vet who was telling me at that poing that Toonces must have a brain tumor or seizure disorder.
4 months later, after he'd admitted my cat had been OD'd, when I learned the truth -- which was that he'd left my cat with his son, rather than a vet tech -- I went backto get records. The first day I went back the vet wasn't there, the records of my cat (and appparentyl my cat only) were locked in his office, and no one would give them to me. I had to make an appointment WITH the vet for later that week.
When I did, instead of the paper I'd seen the day I arrived to find my cat nearly dead, he handed me a log. The log didn't even have the right dates on it. It said February, instead of June (when the events occurred). It had recorded that Toonces had been observed "BAR" on Sunday morning ("Bright and Responsive") even though they'd admitted at that point that he'd gotten a massive overdose on Saturday night, and the previous records I saw indicated he'd been found unresponsive on two separate occasions. I asked for the records I'd previously seen. He said that they didn't exist and had never existed.
After looking at this "new" record he handed me, it had many irregularities. Chief among them -- the initials of the "vet tech" (not a vet tech, his son) looked suspiciously like the vets own, very distinctive handwriting. He maintained that it was the "tech", not him. I sent it to a handwriting analyst. She agreed with me -- with a "reasonable degree of scientific certainty" the handwriting was the vets.
The day I got the records, I asked him to tell me WHO had given my cat the OD, and how much training they'd had. He said they hadn't given an insulin shot in a long time -- over a year -- and that the only training they'd had was "off and on" working there over the last couple of years (i.e., college breaks). I asked who it was. He wouldn't tell me (he didn't know I knew).
The next day, he wrote me a letter, NOW SAYING that the insulin overdose -- to which he had admittd for over 4 months -- had never actually occurred. This, in spite of te fact that he'd admitted it to the referral hospital where my cat was hospitalized for a month, voluminously to others, my mother, my friend, his insurance company, etc.
I am not the only person this amazing magic records-morphing has happened to.
There is literally NOTHING you can do to get an original, un-modified copy of the records AFTER things go wrong. I should have TAKEN IT when it was within my reach, and demanded a copy of it and not left till I got it. I believe they rewrote history.
They did NOT find the vet in violation of recordkeeping standards in spite of my ability to show compelling evidence that he vet had written the "tech" initials on this "record" himself in spite of his assertions to the contrary -- in spite of the fact that the record said FEBRUARY instead of JUNE, in spite of the fact that it did not specify the type of insulin given to my cat.
They did not find him in violation of any professional standards for honesty, in spite of the fact that he admitted to the referral hospital what had been done to my cat, admitted it to countless others, and then changed his story after my line of questioning which surely tipped him off that I knew it was his son.
Travesty. Vets have no issues completely modifying records as though they were a coloring book. If they think what's in there incriminates them.
Stefani February 6th, 2009 08:45:55 AM
Stefani, I've dealt with disappearing documents and one's simply created too. A decent lawyer can make a decent case of the very fact that records are missing or the inconsistencies in existing ones. IMO, none of the professional boards do a decent job unless they have lay members with clout sitting on them. That leads to lawsuits which leads to cramped judicial dockets which leads to expense and reluctance to sue which leads to people feeling free to ignore the law... I know. I hear you.
Listen closely to the wind. People are finally getting fed up and finding their voices and the pendulum should start swinging back the other way. It's gotten so bad this time that many of us will feel hurt and disappointed because there's going to be a lot of forgiveness going around because there simply aren't enough jail cells to hold them all; nor could we afford them being in jail (although I have a few less than nice alternatives for that one). IF and only IF we can find a way to swing back to a decent level of general accountability, I'll forgive. (It may choke me and I'll NEVER forget the wrongs but I will forgive them then.)
As much as I hate it, we're all going to have to be more pragmatic like Emily because we've got to come up with consensus topic by topic. When we don't, we get polarization. PETA off on one end and the Hobby Breeders so fearful they join up with the Puppy Millers. We here may not live long enough to see the results we're working for because reaching consensus (especially when there's already polarization) is a long and tedious process. I too get frustrated and reach the screaming/railing point too but I know that it is generally counterproductive.
I firmly believe there is something after this life AND that those who evade justice here will not only be punished for the original offenses but even more so for the evasions.
PJBoosinger February 6th, 2009 10:55:41 AM
Dr. K, Don't think we're very far apart on this one. I certainly hope they teach more business and business law in Vet school than they do in Law school. Most lawyers have B.A.s and no business experience and don't even take a decent business law course in law school and most end up in private practice and can't afford or just don't even hire an accounting clerk for the first few years. Most can't make a living because they can't get their clients their total damages because they don't even know 10% of the elements. Three years to get a juris "doctorate". What a joke! Sorry, pet peeve. :)
PJBoosinger February 6th, 2009 11:35:11 AM
PJ, re: forgiveness.
It's amazing how a little accountability engenders forgiveness.
Even when I knew my cat was nearly dead and horribly brain damaged by an overdose given to him at the hospital -- and this cat was truly my LOVED ONE -- I was not that angry at the vet during the time period where he was ADMITTING and ACCEPTING responsibility.
It was only later when I learned that a) he was NOT going to continue paying for the costs associated with the severe brain damage (care of which cost me approx $16k over the remaining 2 years of my cats life); b) had left my cat NOT in the care of a veterinary technician, but HIS SON on college break (negligently, in my view); c) CHANGED HIS STORY and denied that the overdose ever occurred 4 months later . . . . (of course the neurologist reiterated that it was evident that is what had happened to my cat) . ..
That was when I made up my mind once and for all to report him to the board. It was then -- when he started denying responsibility -- that I just lost it. It's one thing to screw up and take responsibility. It's another thing entirely to say to yourself, "Well, I can get away with just asserting this entire episode never happened, so why not?"
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Nita: Consider that some pet owners use one veterinarian for vaccinations and another for other issues. In my case, this includes clients who need the cheapest vax possible for their strays and come to us only when they're sick. In your case, I would suggest you consider keeping the vet you already trust for all issues other than your vaccines. But then, you never know, maybe this new practice will earn your trust and you'll move on. Just try not to make vaccines the only issue. Consider the bigger picture and find ways to work around this.
Dr. Patty Khuly February 6th, 2009 12:16:27 PM
"I was not that angry at the vet during the time period where he was ADMITTING and ACCEPTING responsibility."
I don't know how many clients I told and I still believe this philosophy... If you screwed up, ADMIT IT, be honest, take the hit (preferably from the beginning and sooner better than later). The vast majority of people are reasonable if there really was a mistake and even if there was something worse but an empty admission/apology won't get it either. The absolute worst is what your guy did, reverse course mid-stream. Nothing pisses people off worse! And some of us, as my mother would say, "can hold a mad longer than God almighty" and, just about the time you think we've given up or disappeared, we'll be back to haunt you.
PJBoosinger February 6th, 2009 01:05:26 PM
PJ, thanks. Good to know that someone understands.
The other thing that will piss people off worst: Blaming THEM, the owner, for what their staff did.
In our final phone conversation, which occurred after I received the letter retracting his admission of responsibility and saying that my cat had not been overdosed, after all, he said to me:
"Well, you didn't bring a syringe from home" for us to use.
As though that is an excuse for my cat being OD'd!
For the record, I was never asked to bring an insulin syringe, and as my cat had been there for "curves" and I'd not brought syringes then, I just followed that model. But he simultaneously CHANGED his story, denying that it had occurred, and then threw the blame on me, saying, in effect: Even if it did occur, it was your fault, because you didn't bring a syringe.
Other than telling me that other vets treating Toonces had begun referring to him as "Veggie-cat", it was the most mentally cruel thing that man did, to blame me. \
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Fotini February 6th, 2009 04:24:23 PM
"Listen closely to the wind. People are finally getting fed up and finding their voices", PJBoosinger
I feel it...and before Obama. Crooks from the top down, banks, CEO's, elected officials, appointed officials, yup, no more playing ostrich--it is loud and in your face!
I'm glad you mentioned polarized...there was a time "breeders" wanted to distinguish themselves with a code of ethics, health screens, and proud invites to view puppy-raisng conditions.
I'm also ashamed of the "new" alliance fighting animal welfare, tooth & paw, too. There are still plenty of us, willing to take a decent 'compromise', considering the "animal" first.
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Pocket's Story from NH February 6th, 2009 08:38:53 PM
Dr. Khuly, slightly off topic, but regarding the law about the X-rays.
Are there exceptions to the law when it comes to radiographs getting sent to places like OFA, PennHip, and their ilk? I ask because my mom (who breeds German Shepherds) sends X-rays to the German equivalent of OFA and PennHip. My parents do Schutzhund and use all the German rules and send radiographs off to Germany to be evaluated. Here's the catch: While her vet uses digital X-rays and therefore it is easy to hand her a CD, the folks in Germany evidently won't take a CD...they require films. So she has had my vet do it. She said she's upfront right away (like when scheduling the appointment) that she needs to take the films with her to be sent off. Actually I asked her if they've balked at it after reading your post, and she said no. I told her about the retaining X-rays for 7 years law, and she said they've never mentioned it being a problem. To my knowledge, the folks in Germany who evaluate the hips and elbows don't send the films back to the vet.
So I'm just wondering if the law provides for situations such as this?
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Barbara, I agree. Obama is part of the result, not the source. When it comes to animal welfare, just like my political party, I feel they left me, left many of us, with no collective voice at all but for the first time in a couple of decades, I feel like maybe we have a chance of establishing a new collective voice.
Stefani, yeah I should have mentioned that too. Part of retraction is almost always deflection, blaming the client. Only thing that would annoy me more than blaming the pet owner would be blaming the pet and that happens regularly too! I'm fond of telling my docs that I was born with these genes and there's a limited amount either of us can do about that.
Fotini, right on. I've been cyberstalking a pedophile for nearly 20 years. He changed his prey from pre-teens to 17 year olds, barely legal. The law can't do a thing about this 45+ year old predator but several of us joined up to keep hunting him down on line and warning people about him since the internet is his primary hunting ground.
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I'm glad you mentioned polarized...there was a time "breeders" wanted to distinguish themselves with a code of ethics, health screens, and proud invites to view puppy-raisng conditions.
There are many breeders who STILL want to distinguish themselves with codes of ethics & health screens--bu they're very low-profile, for fear of breed bans, mandatory spay/neuter, etc. The "alliance" between puppy millers and good breeders is largely in the minds and the propaganda of groups like NAIA, on the one side, and PETA on the other side. It's the puppy millers and the enemies of domestic animals that have a mutual interest in creating the belief that to support responsible breeders, you have to support puppy millers.
Lauren, it seems quite likely that your mother's vet is giving her copies of the films. Since she's telling them upfront that she needs them to send, they can plan for it and if they have the equipment there's no reason for them not to give her what she's said upfront she needs.
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Lis, I'm regularly running into breeders who claim to be responsible hobby breeders promoting joining up with the Puppy Mill breeders. Unfortunately, there's little way to determine whether they really are or aren't. I suspect there are a LOT of responsible hobby breeders out there and, if they'd join together, they could have a real impact, especially if they'd work with pet owners (yeah, we're often dumb to start with but, like dogs, we can at least be trained and might even learn something :).
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Lis, I know YOU are right. I'm just finding it alarming that so many are "fighting" ALL the animal welfare statutes; and believe me, I take a lot of criticism voicing a reasonable middle ground.
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