Dolittler Guest Post Top ten pet owner excuses for aggression in dogs

by Dr. Phil Zeltzman and Dr. Patty Khuly

You might find this odd, but there’s a whole world of denial out there with respect to aggression in dogs. These are the pet owners who ignore the growls and snarls, live with the snaps or suffer near-misses...and for what?

Because they can’t face the reality of what their pet’s aggression might say about their ownership skills? Likely. Because it is a way to reinforce their ego? Their self-worth? Maybe. Surely there are more constructive ways to do that, though.

I, for one, have an aggressive animal for whom I make zero excuses. I’m working on it...gently. I also recognize that many of you have also made the choice to work with your pets on this issue. And that’s how it should be.

Not so with the vast majority of canine aggression owners, it would seem. And that’s a big deal not only for the individual dogs whose pathologies are swept under the rug and remain unresolved, but also for those of us who have to work with these often unworkable animals in our daily lives.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 4.5 million Americans are bitten by dogs each year. One in five dog bites is serious enough that it requires medical attention. And here’s what the AVMA has to say on the subject.

It’s a risky business, veterinary medicine. But it’s a fact of life for us.

That’s why Dr. Phil Zeltzman, veterinary surgeon and newsletter author extraordinaire (available for free at www.DrPhilZeltzman.com), wants to raise the profile of this issue.

Because I love working with Dr. Zeltzman––and because more dogs deserve to get the help they need––he and I have collaborated on a compilation of top ten reasons owners cite when their pets display aggression at the vet’s.

Here they are:

#1 He's never bitten anybody.

This is the most popular excuse we receive––supposedly by way of allaying any silly fears we might have about a growling pet’s raised hackles, stiff tail and impending lunge.

#2 She never did this with my previous vet.

It’s obvious that every hospital and every individual circumstance will have its different effects on a dog. But here the implication is that we’re doing something to trigger this “very strange” behavior in their pet––as if it’s truly never happened before. In most cases we don’t buy it for a second.

#3 He's never growled before.

Sure, it’s possible. After all, a veterinary hospital is a strange and forbidding place...and there’s always a first time. Fear aggression is the number one version of aggression we see in dogs. But again, the owner’s point is that their dog is not aggressive at all––and that they are genuinely surprised that their dog would ever display any sign of aggression.

That’s what scares us. Because as top trainers like to say, “All dogs are fine...until they’re not.” Ultimately, every owner needs to recognize their dog’s capacity to do harm.

#4 She was abused as a puppy.

A Dr. K sidebar: I’ve had two aggressive dogs in my life. Both arrived at my place as pups. One was so fearful she’d cower over any loud noise...from day one. We used counter-conditioning techniques to keep her reactions at a minimum, but we always knew she had it in her to snap when freaked.

Was she abused? Ummm...highly unlikely. Are some dogs abused? Of course. But it’s no excuse for living with aggression––not without taking steps to relieve the dog’s fears.

#5 He's just playing with you!

Hmmm... after all our years in this biz we think we can tell when a dog is playing and when he’s not. Don’t insult our intelligence. Accept our help, instead.

#6 People think she's aggressive because she's big, wrinkly, black, looks like a Rottweiler, or [insert-adjective-here].

Yes, it’s true. Big black dogs inspire fear. We get that. But as veterinarians, we’re not usually biased against color or breed. We’ve got enough examples of friendly dogs of all breeds, colors and sizes to rest our case on that front.

Instead, we’re usually reacting to clear warnings: stiff tail (with or without a wag), raised hackles, a cowering stance with other evidence of fear aggression, or an outright, leash-straining lunge, etc.

#7 He doesn't like men.

Dr. Zeltzman says he’s only heard “he doesn’t like women” a couple of times in his career, whereas “he doesn’t like men” is a common utterance. And Dr. Khuly agrees with this observation.

While it’s indeed true that some pets are wary of male humans (either because of auditory cues, past experience, size or lack of familiarity), the vast majority of these dogs can be helped––and should be.

#8 She’s just mouthy.

Yeah, mouthy is one thing. But when she grabs our entire hand in her mouth just as we try to clip her nails...you’ve got a problem.

#9 He’s just a talker.

Growly dogs and barkers are warning those who approach. Why would you not take that seriously as a sign of aggression?

#10 She's just not that into you.

Yeah, of course. We’re the veterinarians. Most dogs don’t especially like us when we’re in our whites, even those who walk in with friendly looks on their faces and happy tail wags in tow. But that’s an explanation for her aggression...not an excuse to dismiss it.

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Beyond what happens at the vet’s place, what scares us is that one day, your dog could very well attack another pet. Veterinarians in general practice, veterinary surgeons and ER vets see bite wounds on a regular basis. Well, guess what? 99% of canine biters are attached to pet owners in complete denial.

Even worse, one day, your dog could attack a person, or a kid––yours or somebody else’s. Maybe all of the above sounds tongue-in-cheek, but here’s where the fun has to stop.

Physicians and ER doctors often see kids that have been seriously injured or disfigured because somewhere, someday, a dog owner decided to dismiss their dog’s problem as being funny or otherwise benign.

Then there's the impact on the individual dog to consider: How do you suppose these dogs who live with aggression feel? They're not happy dogs in most cases. They're stressed. And what do you suppose happens to them once they've acted out on a human? They're often killed.

So what should you do, once you’ve decided to accept reality?

#1 Talk to your veterinarian.

Some veterinarians are eager to help with behavioral issues, with or without drugs.

#2 Talk to a trainer or a behaviorist.

That’s their job and specialty. There are countless methods, which may or may not include whispering… “as seen on TV.”

Ultimately, help is out there. After all, we’re not talking cancer here. We’re talking about a condition that can be dramatically improved in the vast majority of cases. But that can't happen unless dog owners start dispensing with their denial. Let's hope this post helps.

March 30th, 2009

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It is just possible that an animal really does react differently to the vet (where, after all, things smell weird and there's often discomfort involved) than they might elsewhere. One of our cats has growled only once in his life - at the vet. It was genuinely the first time we'd ever heard him make a noise like that. It was extraordinary - so we couldn't help commenting "he's never done that before".

Now, I trust my vet absolutely - it would take an extraordinary event to make me go to another one (like moving country!). I think he handles cats absolutely brilliantly, and tends to talk to them more than us which is always a good sign. Our cat is not aggressive, but he does show fearful and aggressive tendencies at the vet. If he did it elsewhere, I'd be the first to get a recommendation for a behaviourist. As it is, I'm researching ways to calm him better at vet visits as I see no reason not to reduce the stress for everyone (and every cat) involved. But nevertheless, my cat is not what I would call "aggressive".

I know it's cats and not dogs and the relative harm they can do is different. Of course, no vet should be put at unnecessary risk of harm from a patient and no decent owner wants to live with a stressed out, unhappy, aggressive animal. I just think part of getting people to accept that there is an issue that needs dealing with is not labelling it "aggression" with all the connotations that come with this. When you say "your dog is aggressive", people are going to get defensive. This might be because the rest of the time,it isn't. I'm cranky sometimes but that doesn't mean you can label me cranky all the time, in all situations.

Perhaps some of these people would be more keen to take responsibility if you start with "your animal is stressed out, and that could cause them to lash out and hurt themselves or others. Here are ways to reduce that stress." That's not denial, but it is diplomatic. You can answer that diplomacy is not what matters but it might be the only way you get some people to listen.

By the way, I love this blog particularly because debate like this is welcome.

Alex March 30th, 2009 09:39:25 AM

Well, I did have a dog (< 14 months at the time) who's one and only agressive incident *ever* was happened with a vet, who did something really stupid. Scared pup that she esentially cornered and stuck her face in the dogs face. Now I'm not 100% certain the dog snapped, I think its possible that she simply tried to lunge past the vet and simply made incidental contact (her muzzle, vets face), but ever after I did make sure that everyt vet who dealt with her (I never allowed the first one near her again) was aware of the incident and I also made every effort to keep my dog from feeling that overwhelmed again.

On the other hand I have a four year old that doesn't hesitate to bite me (never breaks skin) if I do someting she doesn't like who has always been an angel for the vet. I always warn them she's quick to use her teeth, and suggest that they muzzle her (which as far as I know they never have). Go figure....

Least one get the idea that I have evil dogs - the vets and techs always comment on how easy all my dogs are to work with. I suspect that is what set things up to happen with the first dog.

laura March 30th, 2009 10:21:40 AM

Yes, Alex, I agree that we have to approach owners cautiously with issues related to aggression. In fact, it's almost as sensitive as talking about obesity. Pet owners can really get their hackles up.

yes, we have to raise it in terms of stress. But I like owners to hear the word, "aggression." Unless I actually use this term, I believe I'm doing the dog, owner, family, etc. a disservice. I do try to temper it by explaining that every dog has the ability to be aggressive given the right circumstances. I also explain that the vet's place is one of the likeliest scenarios for aggression. But that doesn't mean that it should be ignored. It's a wake-up call to watch out for signs of aggression elsewhere--especially when it comes to fear aggression against strangers, children, etc.

Dr. Patty Khuly March 30th, 2009 10:26:08 AM

How about agression toward other animals? I'm wondering if the training techniques would work for this as well.It's not a theoretical question since new neighbors moved in a week ago with a husky mix. The dog is a sweetheart in most respects, kind of shy, actually. But on his first day in the house, escaped twice in one hour, attacked and almost killed two cats belonging to the neighbors a few houses away. The owners were horrified and remorseful and footed the many thousands of dollars of emergency and ICU care for the two cats. I haven't heard yet if the cats made it. One reportedly had puncture wounds in virtually every part and organ of its body.

I've spoken to the neighbor and she's resigned to keeping the dog in the house since he seems to be an escape artist from the yard. She says she's spoken to a friend who is a trainer and was told it's just not possible to train against the dog's instinct to go for cats. I'm not so sure. What do you think? The entire neighborhood is fairly freaked out since almost all of us have cats, smaller dogs, and/or small children.

Caroline March 30th, 2009 10:33:35 AM

I'll be the first to admit I have a fear-aggressive terrier. He adores humans and my other dog, but any other creature who crosses his path is his Mortal Enemy. Fortunately my vet is willing to work with me and have me enter at a side door during his visits to avoid the lobby melee, and I keep the back yard locked up like Fort Knox. Yes, it is worrisome that he will escape, and yes, I do work with him to overcome. There are good days and bad days. But I'll be the first to admit that Alfie can be an aggressive little sh-t, and it's likely due to being a stray during his first year of life. I don't know if we'll ever conquer it, given that most people don't want to offer up their dogs as bait. But I keep him out there on walks on a strong leash and do the best we can.

Shasta March 30th, 2009 10:43:07 AM

Alex: One of my cats has developed a really over-the-top fear of the vets office. This is a cat that loves everyone and in his own environment isn't afraid of anything. My solution is that I give him 1/2 a tranquilizer before we go - he's not even sleepy, but it seems to take the edge off.

That may seem extreme, but its really easier on him not be cowering the entire time and I think the vet can give him a more thorough exam if he doesn't have to worry about kitty spazzing out.

In fact, he's going in for a dental tomorrow and he'll be getting that pill first thing when I get up. And the vet does take this into account when administering anesthesia and we haven't had any problems.

2CatMom March 30th, 2009 10:45:54 AM

Growling/talking. I have a dog that's never really been a problem at the vet. She's nervous, that's for sure, and her exam notes reflect that- no one's ever been able to feel anything but tensed muscles on a palpation, but nothing more, silence is the rule. Now at home, when she's relaxed, she growls (my mom calls it purring?!) with the wide open, submissive grin while you scratch her. If you stop she turns around, gets all loose and wiggly, and tries to get her nose under your hand to 'self-pet' and get you to interact again. Is that aggressive? I'm not sure it is. My trainer (who works in the rally-obedience and herding world) thinks that she's just 'talkative.' I'm still not thrilled about it, especially since she's a GSD, but I'm certainly not worried about a bite risk. I'm also not sure how to train it out since my mom had reinforced that it's an attention getting behavior for two years... especially when it goes from grumbling to the play-with-me! whine/howl/bark that she seems to love to use. Yes, we already do NILIF because she's a pushy brat ;) In general, I agree with you, but I do think there may be 'special cases' even if they're not so common as people claim.

lindabcs March 30th, 2009 10:47:15 AM

Odd? Not at all I've seen my share of lil' pookie poo's suddenly morphing into something resembling a T-Rex in my time. My biggest gripe if any is the belief of many irresponsible dog owners that dogs have rights under the constitution to bark incessantly.

Evet March 30th, 2009 11:03:41 AM

Man...this couldn't be more apropos for me...a 30-year dog training veteran and, more importantly, aggression specialist. ;-)

I find myself continually baffled by owners' denial, about everything from leash-pulling to aggression. I will never, ever, ever understand it.

Marjorie March 30th, 2009 11:04:25 AM

#9, "He's just a talker," is a good one -- I'm going to show that to a friend of mine who has a really timid Pomeranian who's been known to snap at people who try to touch him. Unfortunately, whenever she takes him out in public, there's a real problem with people swooping at him squealing "Isn't he cu-u-u-ute!" People can be incredibly stupid about tiny dogs -- can't they see that he's huddling behind her legs and growling quietly? I fear that someday, some idiot is going to grab him and get bitten. But my friend has been working with him a lot, exposing him to new situations with plenty of praise and rewards for staying calm. I've been gradually introducing myself to him for many days, and yesterday I scratched him behind the ears for the first time; he flinched a little at first then relaxed. Nonetheless, I think my friend is in denial about just how much the little guy growls; she's said "he's just talking", when I think he's sort of sending out a general warning to the world that he wants everything and everyone to stay away from him.

T.T. March 30th, 2009 11:09:25 AM

People get a puppy, think "oh what a cute baby", and thats about it for training 95% of the time. This dog down the street we had for example. When this girl came home he was like a little baby and when she was gone he was fence rushing every 15 minutes scaring the hell out of people. We finally had to have her kicked out of the neighborhood thats how impossible this lady was to communicate with.

Evet March 30th, 2009 11:17:47 AM

I don't know maybe some dog owners are in a comatose or zombie like state from constant overdoses of fry-max and melted cheese at Ruby Tuesdays or something.

Evet March 30th, 2009 11:29:32 AM

Classifying aggression in dogs can be framed better by when it occurs. If aggressive behaviors are only evident in certain circumstances, it's easy to design effective counter conditioning and training to help the dog overcome their arousal states under those circumstances.

But that requires effort that a lot of dog owning people are not willing to provide.

Cat chasing is a classic predatory response to movement. Condition for no response to movement. Supervise the dog more effectively and he won't escape to engage in inapproprate behaviors. Leaving a dog to his own devices in a home or yard is an invitation for disaster. It takes no more time to do it right from the beginning than it does to have to compensate for all the things that could go wrong. Dogs are smarter than people give them credit for. They are bright and curious and are capable of cognition. If x equls y today, x will equal y every other day as long as x PREDICTS y.

You can mitigate contact to cats by never taking your dog for walks (I cannot understand the principal that cats are not 'owned' in many communities and are allowed to run at large, but that's another issue) but what fun is that? And besides, although you can 'protect' your dog from exposure by not ever taking him anywhere, the scents, and sounds are still present beyond the boundaries of your home. Movement from birds, squirrels and other neighborhood fauna is eqully engaging and worthy of pursuit. Same things apply. Take him everywhere, every day, rain or shine and TEACH him appropriate responses to external stimuli. May not take as long as you might think, with the right attitude and the right training guide.

Leash aggression is often exacerbated by owners who tighten the leash and try to haul their dog away from their target distraction, creating what is called an 'opposition reflex'. The dog often attributes the discomfort he feels with the target distraction instead of the leash or his pulling against it. Arousal escalates and is compounded by the inability to respond to the triad of all predator/prey behavior; fight, flight or freeze. He is denied the ability to respond instinctively whether through coersion, physical restraint or emotional state. He becomes fixated on the target and the problem gets worse, not better.

There is always a way to teach a dog an appropriate response to contextual stressors, including the vet's office. I cannot think of any veterinarian in my acquaintance that would refuse a request for a pet owner to bring a dog for socialization and training, with permission, of course.

Part of the problem is that most people are not proactive in the care and training of their dogs. They wait for things to go wrong before they realize that there is a problem as opposed to seeking advice before problems occur. I am sure as a vet, Dr K sees this a lot.

Teaching a dog to be still for a nail trim is not as hard as it seems, takes only minutes a day and can save a lot of heartache and expense for the future. If sit means sit, it also means sit while nails are trimmed, ears are checked and teeth and gums are checked. Stand means stand, down means down. Heel means heel and stay means stay.

Training clients who come to me are all about the "but he doesn't do this at hooooommmmee!" excuse. Perhaps if they took the dogs out for more than the annual trip to the vet or groomer, the dog would not be so suspicious and reactive. I am appalled at the socialization todays dogs get. They live in their little postage stamp backyards, live unfulfilled lives in solitude at the whims of their owners' busy lives. Not directed at anyone here; I am sure if you are reading this blog or any other pet related blog, your interest in your animals is a sincere one.

My favorite is "he sits when I tell him except when (insert circumstances where inappropriate behavior occurs here)". Then he doesn't sit. He poses a risk to his owners, the public and their animals as well.

Training and socialization is the key indicator in not only dog bites, but surrendering to shelters and euthanasia for behavior issues. It is such a simple thing really...

Linda Kaim March 30th, 2009 11:29:47 AM

Wow, my experience in a vet's office included frequent, similar excuses for bad behavior that you listed above, including an owner laughing when his giant rottweiler growled in my face. Good times.

That said, and I am sure that you have heard this a thousand times (or more), but I have a non-agressive Schnauzer who is a talker. He growls in almost every situation - particularly play (with our other, nearly mute, schnauzer) and when he wants to see someone (he gallumphs toward people, growling, stump wagging, looking for some love). It really freaks people out, but I would be floored if he showed any agression at all. He is super friendly, well socialized, and a lover.

He is my third schnauzer, all of whom have been fairly vocal in one way or another - so I have always chalked it up to a noisy/chatty breed. I do see this as a problem, but I am not even sure where to begin breaking him of this habit - I can't say that it is never positively reinforced, but it is rare. Our other schnauzer, who is only 7 weeks younger than the chatty one, and thus raised at the same time, in the same situation, and is, as mentioned above, nearly mute. He rarely makes any noise at all, and when he does, it is a bark at the doorbell or a bird. And so, I am stumped.

Lyndsay March 30th, 2009 11:32:47 AM

The 4.5 million is REPORTED dog bites not all dog bites--there are probably many more.

I also find it odd that people deny there is a problem and have talked to the local vets about pets whose owners fail to deal with issues when they are more easily addressed (ie., not established for long periods of time and reinforced by accident when the owner "comforts" the animal).

Although aggression can be reduced with behavior modification, I am from the old school of thought that believes there are many more animals that won't growl, bite, or pose a menace to family or communities--so why would you want one that does?

And why would you refuse to extinguish the behavior or fail to get professional help with the issue?

Honestly, I can't understand why people are in such denial over this issue.

Back in the 1990s I took over the practice of one of my collegues while he was in the hospital and only saw his nasty aggression cases that were going to be euthanized unless they could be rehabilitated.

The worst?

All bad--but the one that stuck out in my mind was the dog that tore the ear off of a three-year-old-child.

The only person the dog had not bitten was the child that fed him--all others were fair game.

The owners? Only concerned about the cost and time commitment required to deal with it. The only reason they sought help was because of a court order.

Because I come from a wild animal background I look at aggression a bit differently and group it into the following:

Fear-induced: where the aggression is
triggered by fear or insecurity.
Possessive: object or food guarding.
Protective: defense of people, territory, or other (like a litter).
Dominance-related: a hierarchical problem that can
be across species.
Psychotic or phobic: roots usually in genetics, injuries,
or escalation of another type of aggression.
Inter-specific: same species/type of animal or same sex aggression.
Intra-specific: predatory aggression or aggression
directed at other animals or people.
Pain induced: also illness induced.
Other: you will hear of other types of aggression too
(redirected, play, situational, reactionary,
retaliatory, defensive, etc.).

I believe that if you take the time to reduce the stress levels of an animal going to the vet instead of producing a chain of anxiety (crated, travel in car, arrival at vet for procedure that usually involves pain--like a needle stick) you can condition an animal to be in a relaxed state and to accept treatment without drama.

It is possible, I've done it and encourage my clients to get an early okay from the clinic to take their pet to visit for cookies, weigh ins and pats to create a positive association and to reduce anxiety and aggression.

I've taken clients into clinics during counter conditioning and the reduction of aggressive that could have been easily handled if done at the first signs.

The big problem is that many people don't want to admit they have a misbehaved critter--or is it that they really don't know any better?

I'd love for veterinarians to invite guest behaviorists for a once a week clinic on how to get good behavior--start with pups and prevent the escalation and drama later.

Wishing, wishing for change...

Find one of my pet aggression discussions here at Ark Animals.

Ark Lady March 30th, 2009 11:36:24 AM

I am concerned about my 18wk old German Shorthaired Pointer.... he growls at us frequently when we pet him if he is lying down/sleeping (sometimes I have to pick him up to move him to his crate for the night) and sometimes when we pull him back (by the "thighs") when he might be heading into a dangerous or unwanted situation. I have him in basic training once a week, he is doing very well on recall, sit, down, stay. We practice the NILF (nothing in life is free) philosophy and I really do not understand this aggressive attitude. WE DO NOT let him get away with it by backing down. I hold my ground, calmly yet firmly, and continue with whatever I was doing with him. After all, I AM THE LEADER! (Which he otherwise recognizes) Should I do anything different?

Nancy B. March 30th, 2009 11:47:12 AM

Don't forget these animals are a reflection of their owners and evinronment. The owners probably need "treatment" more then the animal in most cases of behavioral imbalance.

Evet March 30th, 2009 11:48:29 AM

Nancy B: you have him in basic training once a week. You practice NILF. And you crate him. That's all great. But it sounds like you also need a "personal trainer," someone who can come to your home, observe the behaviors and teach you how to 1-limit the trigger situations and 2-turn them into an opportunity for rewards and other good stuff, among other helpful approaches.

You're lucky. He's only 18 weeks. Consider that a good thing as it means you have plenty of room to improve the situation. But get more help fast--please.

Dr. Patty Khuly March 30th, 2009 11:58:48 AM

Caroline and others concerned with "predatory aggression" (the kind of aggression that makes dogs go after creatures they consider prey, such as small dogs, cats, squirrels and even infants).

Yes, this kind of aggression is considered particularly recalcitrant. It's tough to treat because it's such a hard-wired instinct. But there are solutions. Most of them involve desensitization to specific animals in the household. But the key with this behavior problem is to never take a risk whose outcome you cannot handle. That means these dogs must be well-confined and their surroundings always controlled.

It sounds rough--and it is--but having lived with one of these dogs while in my teens, I found that a basket muzzle always kept everyone safe while allowing for plenty of opportunities for desensitization. It still never stopped her when a cat, opossum, raccoon, rat or squirrel came into the yard, but inside the home and on walks things were always workable.

I love the [secure, well-fitted] basket muzzle!

Dr. Patty Khuly March 30th, 2009 12:06:11 PM

Our neighbor has a German Shorthaired Pointer she's a real sweetheart. Everyone on the block loves her. His dad did the training though when she was a pup so I don't know what the routine was. Or what she was like as a young pup a fast or slow learner or rebelious or timid, etc.

Evet March 30th, 2009 12:12:01 PM

Well anyway I think I'll let you Dog parents work this one out this is out my territory.

Evet March 30th, 2009 12:18:50 PM

As a long-time dog bite researcher, I would like to clarify that the CDC's claim of "4.5 million" or "4.7 million" dog bites (depending on which figure you use), is actually mostly an ESTIMATION of ALL dog bites, reported and (overwhelmingly!) unreported.

What many fail to realize about commonly referred to dog bite statistics in the U.S. is their source is often a relatively small 1994 telephone survey. Conducted in conjunction with the US Department of Health and Human Services and the Centers for Disease Control, more than 5,000 responses from a random digit dialing telephone survey were recorded and weighted based on age, gender, race, and region.

By extrapolating the survey responses nationwide, that report determined just under 400,000 dog bites were reported, and ESTIMATED (based on the survey responses) slightly less than 4.4 million bites go unreported, for a total of 4.7 million estimated total annual bites in the United States.

This single report does not negate the fact that we simply don't know how many bites go unreported each year. Reported bites in the U.S. (usually those who sought medical attention) range from 300,000 to as many as 800,000 each year.

Of the dog bites for which medical attention was sought (I.E. 300,000-800,000), less than 1% score higher than the lowest score available in objective hospital injury reporting scales.

Unfortunately, other agencies now report the 4.7 million reference as fact. They state "the CDC reports there are 4.7 million dog bites each year". Again, this number is only an estimate. No one knows how many dog bites go unreported. It may be as high as 4.4 million, or it may be significantly less.

What we can say is, 99.9% of all dogs will never be involved in an attack. Some surveys suggest ('just' or 'as many as') 12% of dogs ever bite, including even minor bites.

Personally, I specialized in correcting aggressive behaviours in dogs for 10-20 years (with a 100% success rate to date, no less), and not one of my own dogs has ever behaved truly aggressively. My currrent dog, a 10-year-old Great Dane, has never growled. It's not that I go around protesting that my dog could never behave aggressively. It's just that I've trained and socialized my dogs to the point they don't respond inappropriately in human society, and I properly supervise them (mostly for their own safety with psycho humans who treat dogs like things or demons) to ensure things go smoothly. The complete opposite of 'denial', I find the average dog owner doing little more than hoping for the best, compared with the hours and hours and hours of training, socialization, and supervision I provide my dogs.

When dogs are"

a) required to reliably obey basic obedience commands (sit, come, heel);

b) are properly socialized with people and other domestic animals;

c) are provided adequate, daily exercise;

d) and are supervised at all times outside the home and with children,

...not only does the risk of biting drop dramatically, but all other undesirable behaviours are significantly improved, as well.

There is an old dog training saying: "You get the dog you deserve." No truer statement was ever uttered.

Marjorie March 30th, 2009 12:30:24 PM

I agree 100% with all of the above reasons! Those of you who work in the veterinary field - do you find that denial regarding canine aggression is more prominent in owners of small dogs? That's definitely my experience - owners of big dogs w/aggression issues usually are proactive about warning staff and taking appropriate measures, i.e., muzzling before coming in, etc. It seems most small dog owners figure their dog's small size excuses the behavior, or makes the behavior "cute" or "spunky" *rolls eyes*. Maybe it's because they don't suppose their small dog capable of true damage (NOT true)? We definitely see our share of aggressive large dogs - usually fear-aggressive husky or shepherd types, but their owners seem to take us more seriously when we suggest behavioral consults. Caroline - I'd encourage residents of the neighborhood to keep their small pets inside or outside only with supervision. I feel the majority of the responsibility falls upon the larger dog's owner to keep said dog safely confined, but the reality is that prey drive, whether it be towards squirrels or someone's outdoor cat, is instinctive and should be expected...meaning owners who allow thier cats outdoor access without supervision need to accept the risks of that happening (even if it's an accident, as was the case with the escaped husky) or keep their pets indoors.

anna March 30th, 2009 01:14:07 PM

Marjorie, do you have any ideas for me on my GSP? I do not want to be one of "those" dog owners that "brushed off" the early signs.

Nancy March 30th, 2009 01:35:53 PM

"You get the dog you deserve."

Ain't dat teh troof.

The statistics also reflect a high incidence of bites from dogs either owned or well known to the victims, of which an exorbitant deomographic is represented by male children between the ages of 3 and 12 and the dogs are represented by breeds other than German Shepherds, Dobermans, Akitas, Pits, Rotts or any of the other breeds the over-reactive media associates with biting. Most of the dogs are represented by breeds under a certain size and body weight.

The statistics are mostly unchanged as to the frequency of bites, the victims of bites and the types of dogs largely responsible for the bites.

I don't trust statistics. They can be parsed to say anything. I trust my physician however, who is an excellent source of referrals for me.

Most children are bitten by their OWN dogs or the dogs of intimate family members and close friends.

Most children are bitten because the onus of responsibility for behavior always seems to rest with a dog that is neither prepared nor supervised, as are the children. Sure dogs should know better, but HUMANS should too. This is not stuff that happened when I was a kid. It just didn't. People taught their kids how to behave around dogs, including familiar ones. People also taught their dogs how to behave around people, including strange people.

Trainers have to counter-act the perception that dogs are born "good" and that they "will grow out of" behaviors once they develop. As a species humans are so removed from their natural roots and as the social pressures evolve to distance ourselves from the environment it leads to onerous legislation that limits my rights to own the breed of my choice, to keep said breed intact and to enjoy it as nature intended.

There is not one way to train. What it boils down to is what one is willing to do to affect a positive change in their dogs' behavior.

Training. Training. Training. Did I say Training? Oh yeah, COPIOUS socialization too.

There is very little that cannot be resolved through appropriate training.

Linda Kaim March 30th, 2009 01:36:39 PM

Wow, as the owner of a clinically fearful dog under long-term treatment (both medication and behavior mod), this whole discussion makes me feel VERY unwanted as a client. And, I like to believe, I'm one of the good ones.

Roxanne @ Champion of My Heart March 30th, 2009 01:38:44 PM

We have a dog who has snapped at a vet (who did the same as the vet laura mentioned: cornered him and suddenly stuck his face up to him). He's generally uncomfortable with vets, clearly feels defensive. The one incident, however, is the only time he's behaved that way.

Every time we take him to a vet's office, we tell or remind them about the incident and that he is not comfortable with vets. We suggest muzzling or whatever will make them feel comfortable. They never take us up on it, nope... they also usually disregard the warning that if someone besides us picks him up, he WILL vent his anal glands all over them. Sigh. They may bear the brunt of it, but he also stinks for hours.

He's a small dog, and either gorgeous in a longer coat or adorably cute when he's clipped short. For some reason this seems to make people think he's not dangerous. Surely a vet or vet tech should know better, though.

We're not in denial; we're well aware that our dog has snapped at a vet and may well do it again. We're quite aware that even though he's small he could still hurt someone pretty badly. What else can we do to try to protect people who won't take our warning?

Galadriel March 30th, 2009 01:41:35 PM

I am concerned about my 18wk old German Shorthaired Pointer.... he growls at us frequently when we pet him if he is lying down/sleeping

>>>>>>>>>>>>Call his name and lure him with a treat so his association is always positive. As he comes to you, reward him and gently take his collar (which he should be wearing) and guide/lure him to his crate.

(sometimes I have to pick him up to move him to his crate for the night) and sometimes when we pull him back (by the "thighs") when he might be heading into a dangerous or unwanted situation.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>If he is in an aroused state as you are grabbing him by any body part, you are conditioning him to resent your touch. Keep him leashed when he is not crated to help guide and reinforce appropriate behavior.

I have him in basic training once a week, he is doing very well on recall, sit, down, stay. We practice the NILF (nothing in life is free) philosophy and I really do not understand this aggressive attitude.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>A few simple things. Don't touch him while he sleeps, call his name first to get his attention so he is aware that someone is approaching, and don't grab body parts in order to avert or prevent behaviors. Dr K is right, you need someone to help you with his problems up close and personal. Group puppy classes are good for some things, but one-on-one instruction is probably a better bet.

WE DO NOT let him get away with it by backing down.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't confront him over bahaviors either. It's not about being alpha or any of that; he's a 4 and a half month old puppy practicing his autonomy. Keep him leashed while in the house so you can direct and reinforce behavior, or confine him when you cannot.

I hold my ground, calmly yet firmly, and continue with whatever I was doing with him. After all, I AM THE LEADER! (Which he otherwise recognizes) Should I do anything different?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>You need to find someone who will show you how to provide appropriate discipline for this pup.

Linda Kaim March 30th, 2009 01:48:17 PM

Great post...of course as a working breed owner I only wish you had chosen other photos ;) why not a growling Cocker or Poodle ? LOL

Love your list - My latest favorite (in the annoying kinda way) is the clients who come in to board their dogs with anxiety med's given to them by their vet because their dog has been fear aggressive but now it is on med's and everything is great - no need for training or behavior modification cause the magic pills from their vet make everything perfect.

LC March 30th, 2009 01:59:55 PM

re Roxanne champion heart "Wow, as the owner of a clinically fearful dog under long-term treatment (both medication and behavior mod), this whole discussion makes me feel VERY unwanted as a client. And, I like to believe, I'm one of the good ones."

I don't think that you would be an unwanted client as by acknowledging that your dog is under long-term treatment and you are involved with medication AND behavior mod - you are not one of the owners walking in with "excuses" - you stated clearly that your dog is clinically fearful and you are taking steps to address that !

LC March 30th, 2009 02:03:29 PM

I was with you 100% until: "Talk to a trainer or a behaviorist... Ultimately, help is out there." In my experience, trainers don't even return calls for helping with aggressive dogs. They've got plenty of business without it so why do the tougher jobs?! Fortunately, others have been willing to give me advice from their own experiences and we're oh so slowly working on it despite the lack of a professional trainer (although every couple of months I try to find one).

PJBoosinger March 30th, 2009 02:03:51 PM

PJBoosinger: Wow. I've got LOTS of trainers willing to work with aggression here in Miami--and we're normally kind of back-woods like you are in Houston. The job may be tougher, but it's more intensive. Good aggression trainers are worth their weight in gold--and some charge like it, too. (I don't begrudge them this one bit.)

Dr. Patty Khuly March 30th, 2009 02:32:51 PM

PJBoosinger

I know there are quite a few trainers in the Houston area.

I can probably put you in touch with a few colleagues throughout Texas.

coeurdlionk9@gmail.com

Linda Kaim March 30th, 2009 02:44:07 PM

Okay, so tell me, don't you think sometimes people with large aggressive dogs may not necessarily be in denial - they just like the idea of a big mean dog that no one can handle? What do you all think? And I think too many people dismiss bad behavior of small dogs just because they are small.

I have done rescue for 8 years and never been bit. Just lucky or freakishly careful, I guess. I am more likely to slide a muzzle on a growly dog than some people. And when I take a new dog to the vet I always tell them as much about the dog as I can. Such as, this dog hasn't bitten me, BUT she has snapped when being groomed. And I tell the staff it is up to them if they want to use a muzzle - I am not going to be offended. I don't want anyone bit if I can help it. Quite often the most obnoxious dog turns into a marshmallow when the vet or their staff gets a hand on them. (magic fingers?)

robinsdogs March 30th, 2009 02:52:31 PM

Robinsdogs: I have my share of these owners here in "macho man Miami." They love their dog's aggression and make no excuses for it...until you bring up the issue of their children. Here's their weak spot...when they deny their pets could ever hurt their children. I've seen the aftermath of one or more of these situations. In fact i euthanized one of these dogs a few months ago.

Dr. Patty Khuly March 30th, 2009 03:19:53 PM

"Marjorie, do you have any ideas for me on my GSP? I do not want to be one of "those" dog owners that "brushed off" the early signs."

Hiya, Nancy! I so desperately wish I could give you some insight into what's going wrong. But I simply can't, without seeing precisely how you interact with your dog, in person. When it comes to any potentially aggressive behaviour, it's downright irresponsible to give advice over the Internet. I would suggest a trainer in your area who, through checking references, you've confirmed is succesful in dealing with issues similar to what you're experiencing. If you can't find any local trainers on your own, contact an obedience club or even your local shelter, who may have trainers they can recommend.

Purely as an example of how subtle the human/dog interaction can be, I'll tell you a story of a dog owner who was having difficulty walking his Doberman.

I would sometimes end up walking along with a man and his Doberman in my neighbourhood. Despite the owner's repeated claims he'd trained his dog, it was clear the dog was not trained to heel. This caused some discomfort for both dog and owner. One day, exasperated, he asked if I'd take the dog and "get him to heel." (I suppose I should mention that, about 10 years ago, I wrote an article describing how to teach dogs to heel in one day. Keeping in mind that I mostly work with adult, aggressive dogs, I have most dogs reasonably heeling by the end of our first walk. I walk dogs 4-5 times a day, so they're pretty reliable by the end of the 4th walk. After that, it's just practice heeling past enticing distractions.)

I put my own dog in a sit, took the Doberman's leash, and walked off in the opposite direction. I did one turn of the sort where the dog runs out of leash because it hasn't paid attention to where I was going, and that was it. From then on, the dog was glued to my left leg... trotting along, happily looking up at me...completely loose leash billowing in the wind. I did a bit more walking ahead and back, then called to the owner and asked, "How long was that?" He replied, "About 45 seconds." I handed him the leash and the dog heeled for awhile, until the owner started tightening the leash and creating the kind of anxiety and frustration that leads to pulling, and other undesirable behaviours. (Oh well...you can lead a horse to water.)

My point being, sometimes it's just a very subtle thing that owners do to allow/encourage a particular bad behaviour. They most assuredly aren't aware they're doing it, in the sense that it is actually causing the problem. But it tends to be rather unique to each owner/dog duo, and not so predictable without actually seeing the two interact.

Over the years, I've received a number of comments about how quickly I can get dogs to behave. There's nothing magical about what I'm doing. It is within all people, I think. If I could put it into a succinct sentence, I'd probably be one of the wealthiest authors on the planet.

When another owner asked what I'd do in a given situation, I took her dog's leash and it almost immediately behaved....without me doing much of anything except loosen the leash. Dogs can sense authority and trustworthiness, I guess. The dog didn't seem to trust it's owner. (I'm not going to say she hits the dog. But I know sooooo many dog owners do strike their dogs, it wouldn't surprise me. This knowledge is also why I never allow anyone access to my dogs without my direct supervision. I even place my dogs for rad's, at veterinary clinics.) The dog sure didn't respect her, in any event. I took the leash and it put itself into a sit and sat there quietly for longer than the owner had been able to accomplish with repeated commands, neck yanking, and repositioning.

Sure, the dog eventually broke position while in a sit for me, when more dogs arrived near him. (Like I said, it's not "magic"...rather it's assertiveness, consistency, calmness, etc.) But I simply put him back into a sit again, and again, and again, until he could be reasonably relied upon to remain sitting on a completely loose leash. (Loosen-up those leashes folks! A totally loose leash...always...unless you're doing a nanosecond correction. Tight leashes are enough to elicit an aggressive response from many dogs. At the very least, a tight leash prevents a dog from learning how to control its own behaviour.) Myself, there is no upper limit to how often I'll reposition a dog, so it is obeying my command. By comparison, I find most dog owners have a limit of 3-6 times, and then they give up.

"A well-trained dogs is mostly a well-practiced dog."

Sorry...went off on a tangent there. There are soooooo many stories I could tell, from the past 30 years. All I'm getting at is, even when an owner can tick off all the boxes they "should" be doing in training their dogs, there are other, less-tangible elements that are equally as important. For example:

1.Owners must clearly shape the behaviour so the dog understands what is expected of it, without equivocation. I've seen people never really shape a behaviour, and actually punish a dog when it doesn't miraculously perform the behaviour the way the owner expects. Similarly, I've seen owners simply give up, and never require anything of their dogs, as though dogs should learn how to behave like humans just by living with them.

2. Owners must be consistent. What's not okay when we're home alone, is still not okay when guests arrive, and vice versa. If I say sit, it means sit until the end of time, if I don't give a release command. ...Period. If you break position, I will require you to go back into position immediately. And we'll do that as many times as you want. I can outlast you. But before it becomes a battle of wills, I'll reward you for even the slightest signs you're understanding what I'm asking of you. That way, you can associate doing what I ask with some kind of reward, even if it's just a change in the tone of my voice. And pretty soon, you'll know exactly what I expect of you, and you'll find doing that is rewarding.

3. Owners must be trustworthy. Dogs must be able to trust their owners not just as their leaders, but also as their pack members. Where aggression is concerned, any kind of punishment is likely to lead to escalation. A sizable percentage of bite victims are dog owners who admit they were attempting to "punish" the dog when they were bitten. There is no excuse for striking a dog, with the exception of fighting-off an actual attack. Dogs learn best when they're taught what you want from them, and then are rewarded as they learn how to do that. Reward the behaviours you want, and simply ignore or redirect the behaviours you don't want. No yelling. No neck yanking. No striking, for goodness sakes!

4. Owners must praise their dogs in ways the dog understands it has done the right thing. I can't tell you the number of times I come across owners who have no response to a dog doing what they'd like, but pay copious amounts of attention to the dog when it acts out. Do they not realize they're rewarding the bad behaviour?

5. And aside from any specific training methodologies, owners must exercise and socialize their dogs much, much more than most currently do. If I haven't mentioned it already, I suspect that simply increasing exercise and socialization by about 100% would at least improve most undesirable behaviours. It may even eliminate some.

Sorry Nancy...rambled-on again. That wasn't really directed at you, or the situation you've described with your dog. I'm just lamenting that, time and again, I come across owners who don't teach their dogs what they'd like them to do, don't reward good behaviour adequately, don't require anything of their dogs, and don't provide physical AND MENTAL outlets for their dogs, and wonder why they have problems. It reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Ned Flanders' beatnik parents take Ned, as a child, to a psychologist. Ned's father says, "Doc, we've tried nothin' and we're all out of ideas."
:-)

Marjorie March 30th, 2009 04:38:16 PM

In my experience most owners do not recognize aggression in its early stages. By the time they realize there is an aggression problem it is quite serious. And most people are not willing to put forth time and effort, or money, to train a dog. They ignore problems until the dog is completely unmanageable and then they blame the dog and dump it at the pound. Lots of those people go right out and get another dog; they think the next one will be better. I do think it would help if vet offices spent more time getting information about the dog's behavior during regular vet visits, particularly when the dog is young. A lot of aggression issues could be mitigated if they were addressed early enough. I really think behavioral information is just as important as medical information from a veterinary standpoint, since untreated behavioral problems are quite likely to wind up causing the dog's death. There are several good books on aggression available. One I like is GRRR by Mordecai Siegal & Matthew Margolis. If books like this were available at vet offices, people might take them and read them. Actally I don't see why a vet couldn't make a book on aggression an RX just like other meds/treatments and send it home with the dog. There is at least a small chance the owner would read it once they got it home.

Mary March 30th, 2009 04:40:41 PM

Zack gets very aggressive when restrained. He bit my vet in the face once when the vet forgot. I remind the vet everytime I take him. I ask them to muzzle him - I usuallly just take my muzzle with me, and offer to do it myself. The nice thing - he is quick to forgive, as soon as the muzzle comes off, he wants petted by who ever just did the bad thing to him. I can't imagine not warning my vet, or the groomers, about his issue.

I had a dog bite me in the face as i was fitting a harness in the store where I work, I got the "it's never bitten before" story. Didn't believe it, and this dog bit with no warning - very scary!! and this family had kids...........

teri March 30th, 2009 04:46:24 PM

Mary, you're so right.

The typical pattern of escalation begins with just stiffened body posture or staring, in response to feeling uncomfortable in a given situation.

If owners recognize the dog is uncomfortable, they can both desensitize the dog to that situation, as well as teach it how they would like it to behave.

If left unchecked, body stiffening and staring typically develops into raised lips, growling, menacing barking, lungeing, attempted bites, and finally successful bites.

I've pointed out for years that a successful bite is never the first sign of aggression in dogs. It's the last.

To get a successful bite, you have to have provided a dog with ample opportunity to learn that its teeth can manipulate those around it, as well as ample opportunities to practices different coping strategies that utilize various threats, such as growling and showing teeth. Dogs don't develop aggressive behaviours overnight. More importantly, they don't develop the behaviours we readily call "aggression" when owners halt the escalation at the stiffened posture stage. Moreoever, even when faced with an already aggressive dog, owners can redirect those behaviours reletively quickly (in the greater scheme of things), through various tried and true methods. (Basic obedience, increased socialization, increased exercise, proper supervision)

While it would be nice if veterinarians could provide full service advice for their clients, I'm afraid I have yet to meet a veterinarian who is especially competent in training and behaviour. (I know there are some out there. I, personally, haven't met one, yet.) Of the veterinarians I've personally met, and seen in action with their own dogs, I have to say most are little better than typical dog owners. I know of at least a dozen veterinarians who have poorly-socialized small dogs with successful bite histories, and they just think it's "cute". Most vet's I've met have dogs that wouldn't know what it means to heel if their lives depended upon it.

In all fairness, I remind people that they expect too much from veterinarians. A veterinary license suggests the individual is expert at diagnosing and treating illness. A veterinary license doesn't indicate competency with training & behaviour, nutrition, or even dog breed identification. I totally respect what veterinarians are trained to do. (My best friend is a veterinarian who...by the way...often laments that owners tend to tell her AFTER THE FACT, that their dogs often try to bite.) I no more expect my veterinarian to give me training advice than I would expect my GP to provide psychological counselling. The best vet's I've met readily admit their limitations, and are proud of their areas of expertise. A Jack of all trades is usually a master of none. ;-)

That said, I am saddened there is still so much mythology and confusion about raising a good dog. That old saying, "Common sense isn't so common," couldn't be more apropos. I spent several years teaching responsible dog ownership, yet I feel my successes have been minimal, at best. It shouldn't be so difficult for new dog owners to get the information they need to raise a good canine citizen. But I guess it's not really a surprise when, even the best child rearing science and theory can't ensure parents raise their children to be happy, non-violent, successful members of society. Dogs are no less individuals than are children. And if they learn they can get what they want through threats and intimidation, then they'll see that as their successful coping mechanism. Practice makes perfect!
:-(

Marjorie March 30th, 2009 05:08:27 PM

I am concerned about my 18wk old German Shorthaired Pointer.... he growls at us frequently when we pet him if he is lying down/sleeping (sometimes I have to pick him up to move him to his crate for the night) and sometimes when we pull him back (by the "thighs") when he might be heading into a dangerous or unwanted situation. I have him in basic training once a week, he is doing very well on recall, sit, down, stay. We practice the NILF (nothing in life is free) philosophy and I really do not understand this aggressive attitude. WE DO NOT let him get away with it by backing down. I hold my ground, calmly yet firmly, and continue with whatever I was doing with him. After all, I AM THE LEADER! (Which he otherwise recognizes) Should I do anything different?

Nancy, what would you do if you were sleeping and suddenly something much larger than you was stroking you and/or picking you up? That's not a dog with an aggression problem (yet); it's a puppy not yet totally familiar with the ways of its new household, who has an owner who is not stopping for half a second to put herself in the puppy's position. What you can do differently: call the pup's name or tap on the floor nearby; make sure he's awake and aware of you before you pet him or pick him up to move him.

I adopted a year-old dog who had been poorly socialized for the previous nine months, and consequently was afraid of everything. Some things made her cower; some things made her growl and lunge aggressively with a "kill it before it kills me" game plan. With patience, and working on building her confidence and trust--and switching to a Gentle Leader so that she wasn't choking herself and stoking her own fears and insecurities even higher--have helped her become the sweet, friendly dog she was meant to be. We still have some issues around her lack of education in correct doggie etiquette, but I no longer have a dog who cowers from people and thinks she needs to hurt other dogs before they have a chance to hurt her.

If I had identified her problem as "aggression" rather than what it really was--fear--would I have a sweet, friendly dog now? I suspect not. In fact, I suspect I'd have wound up with a dog so dangerous that there was "no choice" but to euthanize her.

A dog who, when backed into a corner by a big, scary stranger who won't back off and blocks every possible path of escape, finally growls, snaps, or even bites, does not have an "aggression" problem. That dog has stupid human problem.

We don't call it "aggression" when a human under attack strikes back. We call it "self-defense." We might get better results from dogs if we take the time to look at what's really going on, rather than slapping the label "aggression" on any behavior we don't like.

Lis March 30th, 2009 05:49:35 PM

Nancy, with the GSP, I hope you're still reading. Please consider a couple things you said from your puppy's point of view. You said he growls when you pet/touch him when he's sleeping. When any creature is sleeping, be they bear, lamb, kid (the human kind), tired mom (of any species), etc. and they are startled awake - even by well-meaning others - they are, at least momentarily, disoriented, especially if they've been dreaming (or having a nightmare - and I do think other creatures besides people experience them). An aggressive response, such as growling, snapping, or in the case of some people I've known, a swinging arm, is a common occurance. It's always just plain nicer to give a sleeping hubby, puppy, whatever, a gentle name call from a couple feet away, and understand that they won't always respond with clarity and sweetness all the time. This isn't anything to get personally upset with your puppy about. As soon as they focus they will realize it's you, and that (if you've got a good relationship with them) tail will wag and they'll say "Yeah, are we doing something fun?" as puppies do.
Also, you mentioned that he resists/growls when you pull him by the back legs, away from something. I think a short (1 ft length) leash, on his collar, whenever he's out of his crate, would be a better solution for you to keep him from getting away in his 'exploring' mode. If he's gotten too far away to take hold of the leash, then call him with a 'kissy' sound (or clicker, his name, whatever will reliably get his attention) and train him with toys/treats to turn and focus on you when you make the sound. This will get him to stop his forward progression, without you feeling the need to grab him, which can become (actually has become) a problem. Imagine if a child was moving away from you, and instead of calling them to get their attention, you just grabbed their arm all the time. Eventually, they'll learn to move away in such a fashion that you have a harder time grabbing them - and the whole process becomes one of resentment. If you envision yourself being grabbed by the arm by someone bigger and more authoritarian than you, you'll realize that a good relationship is not going to happen between parties where one does this to another. Just because it seems convenient, and I know you're trying to keep the puppy away from dangers, it doesn't make it a good way to work with your dog.
Being a good leader means knowing how to explain what you want and need, not just fall back on the "Because I said so" line. Yes, dogs do have to do lots of things because we say so, but give them the courtesy of not physically forcing them until you've given them the chance to learn what you want by actual communication first. Just trying to see things from their perspective isn't too much too ask - and it can help your communication skills with other dogs, and suprisingly, with a lot of people, too.

KateH March 30th, 2009 06:01:47 PM

Aggression! I'm the mail carrier....I give every dog plenty of space, no matter what breed or size. Some are just in tune with showing their "protection" with any delivery person, maybe it's our rattly, noisy trucks!
I am alsways saddened when I see any form of wild aggression, particularly encouraged either purposely or unwittingly. My terriers have some inborn aggression (chipmunks, squirrels), but were raised to be ok with cats & other dogs, as long as not "challenged". Perfect temperment:"curious, bold, courageous, independent, stable & steady and confident, but never aggressive"
Barbara A. Albright/22 yrs. USPS mail carrier, nary a dog bite (knock on wood)!

Pocket's Story from NH March 30th, 2009 06:15:05 PM

There are two reasons I don't like dogs: (1) Allergies, and (2) most dogs I've met are horribly behaved and jump all over me. Other than service dogs I have only met one dog that didn't try to jump all over me as soon as I got within reach, or run up to me and jump on me while I was trying to stay away. The owners always say things like "oh, he's just trying to be friendly." Yes, I understand that, but it doesn't cure my allergies. If the owner knows perfectly well that I'm allergic, then the owner needs to control the dog.

zandperl March 30th, 2009 06:20:55 PM

my parents have a wirehaired fox terrier who i call godzilla. she lived in a petstore for months in a cage with other bigger dogs who would beat her up and steal her food. she is very aggressive toward the other animals-2 dogs (lab shepard and beagle mix) and 2 cats-if food is involved or she gets tired she will attack them. thus far, no vet-requiring damage has been done. i have heard that this behavior is common for her breed. would meds or a behavorist help her? they know that she isn't in the ideal home but my mom fell in love with her and she was going to be euthanized b/c no one would buy her. she's great with people. she's always supervised when she's out and when they see signs of "the godzilla coming out", she is sent to her crate until she's napped out her temper.

sarah March 30th, 2009 06:34:45 PM

WOW! First of all, thanks for all the responses! I feel that I get the message and will implement it immediately. After re-reading my original post, I may have not explained the situation right, but I feel the responses can be applied to my situation. He is really the sweetest puppy and is so smart and has been easy to train. He just seems to have this "tazmanian devil" response at times. I now see that it is fear based. I will change the way I approach things. (The one time that seems to make no sense to me is when he is trying to get up on the ottoman we allow him to lay on and he isn't quit able to get up, he looks at us to help him up, and when we do, SOMETIMES he growls) I am anxious to try the suggestions given to me. I welcome more. Thanks.

Nancy b. March 30th, 2009 07:26:33 PM

I know I am late to the party but I see some of it as a problem of communication. We trainers know how to communicate with dogs and how to read their body language. The average owner, unless motivated to find out, does not. It's like thinking by being near people speaking french you will automaticly learn the language. And don't get me started on the problem of anthropormophism. Another problem is the amount of bad information out there. I once read in a book on adopting shelter dogs that one thing you should do to test the dog was to force it in a down onto it's side. If it growled at you it weas aggressive and should be put down becuase it was dangerous. I was astounded. Because of that book a dog my shelter adopted out was brought back. Thankfully with no bite on it's record even though in dog language it's new owner had attacked him. The adopter thought we were trying to adopt out dangerous dogs and used that book as her proof. It was a mess. One things I see alot is the "dogs as pack animals" excuse. That theory is flawed as explained in this blog post: http://k-9solutionsdogtraininginc.blogspot.com/2009/01/dogs-as-pack-animals-or-not.html#links Dogs are a social species and we need to be leaders in the definition as parents setting rules, guidelines and teaching consequenses for behavior. (appropriately and non-violently) Not as a dictator. FMI on alpha: http://www.dogstardaily.com/blogs/man-who-cried-alpha Be sure to read the link to the article on alpha included as well. Tail wags, Marie http://k-9solutionsdogtraininginc.blogspot.com

Marie March 30th, 2009 08:46:32 PM

sarah: IMO, some dogs or terriers are food aggressive, particularly when raised with other pets. You sort of have background material/reason. And some are on the 'defense' when ready for sleeptime too.
to me it sounds like you are handling it ok, making a time-out to avoid escalation. If she is fine with people, I don't think you have a bad issue going on.
Barb A.
ps. I had to feed my cats separately, all my dogs are "wild" over cat food!

Pocket's Story from NH March 30th, 2009 09:24:30 PM

Marjorie:(I'm not going to say she hits the dog. But I know sooooo many dog owners do strike their dogs, it wouldn't surprise me. This knowledge is also why I never allow anyone access to my dogs without my direct supervision. I even place my dogs for rad's, at veterinary clinics.)
That in itself is an interesting comment & one where here again, an owner may not be 100% responsible for a fear-instilled dog. How many drop their dog at the groomers, kennels, allow other trainers, clinics, etc.
I went early , years ago, to pick up one of my Scotties at the groomers, and lo & behold witnessed another small dog smacked multiple times. Shock? Yes, and surprisingly, many groomers will admit to this.
Oh boy, another uncomfortable breach of trust, that one may never know or guess.
Barbara A. Albright/NH

Pocket's Story from NH March 30th, 2009 09:43:48 PM

I have to wonder exactly where the problem starts. Does it start with a breed instinct, or does it start with something cute that the owner encourages without understanding that in 6 months it's no longer cute...

I've been around dobermans my whole life, though I haven't ever owned one and I've never seen an aggressive one, yet when recently shopping for home insurance, they were on the "list" of questions.....

I know that in my own pet ownership, my previous dog was always around other people and small kids, but my current dogs are never around small kids and I wouldn't trust them around small kids because of it. And they love attention and adults, but they have traits that need to be watched. But I have noticed that they are much more likely to be well behaved if they have been outside playing for an hour, then not...

perhaps part of the problem is leaving the dog all day while at work...

I think it is a multilayer complex problem, but denial is definitely the wrong approach.

Lorri March 30th, 2009 09:55:22 PM

Aggression! I'm the mail carrier....I give every dog plenty of space, no matter what breed or size. Some are just in tune with showing their "protection" with any delivery person, maybe it's our rattly, noisy trucks!

The truck might contribute, but it's mainly a few other things: 1)The uniform--yes, they can tell that you dress "funny"! 2)You're a stranger who comes onto THEIR territory, and is never (uusually) invited in by the humans who could override that initial reaction. 3)Barking and a show of aggression works--as far as the dog can tell--to drive you out of their territory.

I've made a point of introducing my dog to every mailman we encounter in our normal walking range. It does help.

Lis March 30th, 2009 09:56:44 PM

Interestingly, when I took one of my whippets to a board-certified behaviorist (drove 3 hours for the consult, I think) with what I saw as leash aggression, she very quickly corrected me, stating this was not aggression but a defensive reaction, and she wanted me to be sure I understood the difference.

Intensive work with our clicker trainer worked wonders, although I slacked off after a while & it returned. Bad owner. =7

BTW, the big black dogs and/or the pit bulls don't make me nervous anything like certain toy breeds, and dogs (pure or mixed) with purple tongues. While working in the clinic (long time ago) I did meet a shar-pei that became friendly when I scratched his back the right way, but I'll readily admit to having some breed biases -- just not the 'typical' ones. Why is it the Asian breeds seem more aggressive in temperament?

Julie in OH March 30th, 2009 10:12:32 PM

BTW, the big black dogs and/or the pit bulls don't make me nervous anything like certain toy breeds, and dogs (pure or mixed) with purple tongues. While working in the clinic (long time ago) I did meet a shar-pei that became friendly when I scratched his back the right way, but I'll readily admit to having some breed biases -- just not the 'typical' ones. Why is it the Asian breeds seem more aggressive in temperament?

No, actually anti-toy breed bias is pretty typical.

Lis March 30th, 2009 10:54:27 PM

The other side ...

While it's true that some pet dogs are ONLY aggressive at the vet's (often because they are never exposed to stress or mandatory handling in their restricted lives at home), there are also dogs that are perfect angels at the vet's, and quite dangerous at home.

There are two basic categories of them: Territorial biters, and social climbers.

The territorial biters are usually fearful. At the vet's they zone out or shut down -- they are so far out of their comfort range that they wouldn't dream of messing with anyone. But get them back home, and they are the ones who nail the mail carrier, or mangle someone at the door.

The social climbers are the ones who direct most or all of their aggression towards their human family members -- true dominance aggression. In the presence of credible authority figures, such as vets and trainers, they "kiss up, kick down." They are often effusively charming in the exam room (or group obedience class). But the owners will eventually admit to some really scary threats at home. Sometimes the vet or group class trainer won't believe them.

I kind of like many of the dogs in the latter group, as they suck up to me and are usually very bright and quick to learn. I've witnessed them menacing their owners -- it looks for all the world like my alpha bitch warning an up-and-coming adolescent. But the owners, though fearful, don't know how to avoid a real bite the way a teenage dog does.

I ask my referring vets -- please believe it when a client tells you the dog is dangerous at home. Often this client needs a private trainer much more than the one who brings in a Tasmanian devil dog, but claims the beast is no trouble at home.

When I saw a new doctor recently, the Hx form included the question "Do you feel safe at home?" and other leading questions intended to find out whether some man was using me as a punching bag. (Uh, Doc, I don't think so. I got the only dog in town who could find his corpse.) Something similar might not be a bad line of questioning for the owners of pups and dogs.

H. Houlahan March 30th, 2009 11:38:03 PM

Julie, Because in Asia the dogs that don't work out as pets or as working dogs are either eaten or made into clothing. We of course do not do that here in the States. Nor are some breeders trying to breed away from that. In the akita breed there are some that use the "may be aggressive towards other dogs" in the standard as an excuse not to breed away from it. A shame considering the damage that does to the breed in the long run. Tail wags, Marie http://k-9solutionsdogtraininginc.blogspot.com

Marie March 30th, 2009 11:47:33 PM

Why "bias" about toy breeds?

Because anywhere you touch their bodies, they can whip around and nail ya faster than you can pull away.

They are also very tough to restrain -- extremely high strength to mass ratio, and very difficult to use the normal leverage techniques that work well on bigger dogs.

And too many of their owners permit them to become defensive, and to use their teeth when doing so, because "He's so little, what harm can it do?" It's much the same reason so many of them are unhousebroken as adults. Nothing to do with the dog.

Asian breeds -- chows, Akitas, shar pei -- are typically troublesome at the vet's because you are not the Momma.

They have a well-developed sense of the integrity of their personal space, and vets and trainers who intrude on that find out why they shouldn't have. Only a human leader whom the dog respects and trusts can get all in his business.

I train adult specimens of most of the Asian breeds entirely differently than other dogs -- I work only with the owner, and may never put hands on the dog. This isn't because I'm afraid of them. It's because I respect them, and know the dog will not accept my authority or right to either discipline or reward him in the short time. It's not important the dog respects me, it's important he respects his owner.

Most of these dogs can be trained to be more tolerant of intrusion into their personal space if this is started in puppy kindergarten and continued into adulthood -- without letting strangers paw all over them and betraying their trust.

H. Houlahanz6yt8 March 30th, 2009 11:50:40 PM

The worst one I saw was a pair of German Shepard mix puppies about 3-4 months old. They came in for their first exam and vaccinations and basically were so aggressive they nearly had to be muzzled!! I've never seen a puppy before that was that aggressive, let alone two of the.
The owners were point blank told that it was NOT normal behavior for any puppy and were strongly recommended to the behaviour specialist before someone got seriously injured and the dogs were larger and could inflict more serious damage.
I don't know if they ever took the dogs there but from the offended and distainful looks they were giving everyone, I'd say they didn't. They never came back either so I'll never know but at least that's one less pair of very aggressive dogs we'll be the ones stuck dealing with.

cl March 31st, 2009 12:02:13 AM

I think that aggression at the vet's is sometimes different then general aggression. I think it is fear based. My englishenglish springer was a good dog. Prone to typical ear issues, and once we saw a different vet at my regular office. This was a new vet, she was generally afraid of dogs, and his ears were very painful when she went digging at them. Dragon was never aggressive at any other person, but he would growl at her from that point on. I didn't let her see him, not because of her skills, but more because of her lack of confidence and potential for bad interaction.

again though I have to stick to what I really believe and that is there is rarely a bad dog, but there are plenty of bad owners that allow bad behaviors. Or worse yet those owners who encourage bad behaviors to create guard or fighting dogs.

I belong to an email group that gets a lot of in state and a fair about of out of state pleas for rescue groups to take dogs. Most are in the position of euthanasia because of a behavior issue, it is a critical cause of pet deaths and abandonment.

it is very sad and a terrible problem that has no easy solution.

Lorri March 31st, 2009 12:24:41 AM

hi Dr. Phil and Dr. Patty, this is a really great top ten list, I think you bring up a lot of common excuses. People need to take more responsibility for their anumals and it is so easy to give that small extra effort.you can post this to our site http://www.toptentopten.com/ and then link back to your site. We are looking for top ten lists and our users can track back to your site. The coolest feature is you can let other people vote on the rankings of your list.

Vince March 31st, 2009 01:04:13 AM

That is part of the problem. Everyone wants an easy or fast solution. The key is to educate new puppy buyers. Education on where to get their puppies from, (NOT people who aren't breeding for temperment and health or those taking them away to young so they will still look cute in store windows) and education in how to properly socialize their puppies once they get them. I'll take an untrained yet socialized dog over trained and unsocialized any day! P.S. H. Houlahan, Great points on the Asian dogs. I was thinking specificly of chows and sharpei's in general, not at the vets when I answered. My own akitas were always awesome at the vets. But they were worked with from day one to be good with others in that context. My current is a long coat that goes to a groomer regularly. (one that used to show akitas herself so she "gets" the breed) He is great with all socially appropriate people, and most dogs. I do find myself stepping in when people want to get right in his face to say hello. That isn't an akita issue, that is a DOG issue. (being extra fluffy makes him very cute and they act like he is a teddy bear) It is unfortunately a human response issue too. A great example of where that communication is lacking. Direct prolonged eye to eye contact is a threat or challenge in dog language. Also a behavior that may be tolerated from an owner, but not from a non-family member. Tail wags, Marie http://k-9solutionsdogtraininginc.blogspot.com

Lorri March 31st, 2009 08:05:58 AM

Maybe I'm quibbling, but I'd really like to see the often stated "According to the CDC there are 4.7 million bites per year...." change to "In a 1994 study, researchers at the CDC estimated that there may be 4.7 million bites per year..." Incidentally, the same group released results last October where they estimated that bites to children had decreased by 47% but remained stable in adults.

Hospitalization estimates range from 300,000 or so to 800,000, per year based on a mean due to confidence intervals (some of which are greater than the final number chosen). This is for incidents where someone went to hospital - which doesn't tell us if medical treatment was needed or even administered except when looking at actual charts.

Anyway, great post on a topic that needs to be aired more widely. The majority of owners in denial tend to be novices who don't recognize that aggression is learned and escalates with practice. These are the people who report that their dog had never bitten anyone (until he did) or that he suddenly 'snapped' and 'turned' on his target. Both statements are nonsense, it just takes some experience to recognize and thwart the behaviour early on.

Some dogs do grumble, as opposed to growl - I have one of those. The same dog was a back-door handoff from my local SPCA because he was too snappy to put up for adoption. He actually was an abuse seizure, his first 'owner' kicked him every time he came in the front door, let the kids mistreat him, all during the first year of his life. He never got over it but I've managed him for over 12 years and he's never given me even a dirty look. I was his fourth home at around age two. He's a miniature Dachshund who has thankfully mellowed with age and consistently kind treatment. At 14-1/2, I can almost trust him with strangers. Unless I can't.

Caveat March 31st, 2009 02:18:15 PM

"At 14-1/2, I can almost trust him with strangers. Unless I can't."

hehehehe... ...Caveat 'gets' it. ;-)

Marjorie March 31st, 2009 03:21:29 PM

Excellent discussion, and that "top ten" list is a great jumping-off point.

To me, what it comes down to is owner responsibility. As a dog owner, I am responsible for my dog's behavior wherever I take him. Regardless of whatever reasons there may be for my dog's aggressive behavior, my excuses/denial aren't worth squat if somebody is injured by my dog. Some may say that it just "comes with the territory" for veterinarians, but that is such a cop-out. I wish every dog owner would heed even the most subtle signs of potential aggression in their dogs and take a proactive approach to working with them before things get bad. In a perfect world......

Sadly, I've just seen the report of a 7-month-old baby in Texas having been killed by his grandmother's dogs yesterday. Surely this could have been prevented.

Here's a link to the story, posted just a couple hours ago at the Houston Chronicle: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/6351634.html

Ellie March 31st, 2009 03:29:25 PM

oops. I was wrong-- the story I just posted about happened today, not yesterday.

Ellie March 31st, 2009 03:33:29 PM

Dr. K, I agree 100% on the worth of trainers and have paid several in the past but just haven't had luck finding one for this.

Linda, I'll be emailing you. Yes, please, THANK YOU.

Sorry all, I'm doing hit and run between house hunting session. NEED a yard. :)

PJBoosinger March 31st, 2009 04:40:22 PM

Hi, late comer here but Nancy with the GSP pup. Please also have a thorough vet exam including orthopedics. While GSPs are not high on the the HD list they can get it. Also panosteitis can just make a dog touchy even if they are not overtly symptomatic.

Odds are he's fine but I'd have him checked to make certain it's not a contributing factor

JenniferJ March 31st, 2009 04:58:20 PM

...And just for the record, on the subject of unconscionably-slanted media reports of dog biting incidents, I must point out that in all the dog bite cases I've investigated over many years, I've not found a single one where the biting dog had no history of aggression, despite those kinds of claims by both media and the dogs' owners. If someone does any kind of objective, honest investigation, he/she will find evidence of classic signs of escalating aggression, even prior to a (first) (reported) (unprovoked) bite.

"A successful, unprovoked bite in never the first sign of aggression in dogs. It's the last." So when owners dismiss obvious signs of aggression (such as prolonged staring and body stiffening, raised lips, growling, menacing barking, lungeing, & attempted bites), prior to a dog's first successful bite, they're virtually ensuring that successful bite eventually happens.

This topic is very close to me, aside from just working with aggressive dogs. I also taught responsible dog ownership for many years. I've long-noted that dog owners (well...people in general...but I'm focusing on dog owners as a group) will do everything in their power to deny responsibility for everything from the relatively innocuous 'running dogs illegally off-leash' or 'not licensing', to much more serious property damage and vicious attacks.

Some owners are the embodiment of 'transference' or 'projection'. My new neighbour is a terrific example. They allow their dog to roam moderately-supervised. I.E. in my yard, but called back within a few minutes of noticing the dog has strayed. What's amusing to me is, their backyard-bred 'designer' mutt is pretty aggressive towards my Great Dane, whereas my much larger, socialized-to-near-perfection dog ignores its rude advances, always willing to play if the other dog initiates. She's demonstrated her good behaviour, including being completely under my verbal control, time and again.

Despite this, the female owner of the little terror verges on being hysterical on those occasions where her little schnoodlekins could possibly come in contact with my dog. She whisks her dog away, if she can. She often ends up screaming at her dog, because it's ignoring her recall...even on-leash. ...All because my dog might be approaching. It's almost as though she's blinded to the fact that her dog is lungeing, snarling, and carrying-on at the end of its leash or at their property line, and doesn't see my dog either going on about her business, or actually wagging her tail. I swear, if her dog did successfully attack mine, I'm sure she'd blame my dog...despite all the evidence to the contrary. So many owners are either intentionally or ignorantly in gross denial.

Think about it, though. When was the last time you heard of a serious dog attack incident, where the owner didn't blame the dog, or its 'breed', or even the victim? Imagine if, instead, he/she admitted having not properly trained and supervised the dog; not socialized the dog; not exercised the dog adequately; knew the dog was growing increasingly dangerous; and just generally wasn't a responsible owner. Uh, huh. It'll never happen. Voiceless dogs take the blame for their owners' negligence.

Over the years, there have been several suggestions that I write a book (not that I'm a good writer...more for my experience in certain areas). There are a number of subjects about which I have enough experience and/or interest, including responsible ownership, training & behaviour, & aggression. Ironically, one of the titles/subjects that continues to remain on the short list is, "Lies Dog Owners Tell". I expect it to be a lengthy one. ;-) And that is why this topic is so apropos for me.

Marjorie March 31st, 2009 05:42:17 PM

Interesting article - familiar excuses ! Whatever the reasons people may give, as we know, it is the dogs that will suffer the consequences as usual. Lola McKnight, who writes a blog about her experience as a shelter volunteer, wrote a great article about the dogs that end up at shelters and are labeled 'biters', a certain death warrant in an overcrowded facility. She gives insight into understanding how the stress factor of being abandoned and kenneled contributes greatly to the problem at hand, and how 'biters' are often labeled unfairly. Unfortunately so many of these dogs don't stand a chance simply because irresponsible or inexperienced people have allowed behavior patterns to be set but at least experienced volunteers can help change the fate of many that deserve better than a label http://wuffingtonwag.com/articles/guest-wags/the-shelter-chronicles-dogs-bite/

Hstorey March 31st, 2009 10:41:51 PM

Hey Marjorie,

I get some of it, but that's because I know a lot of good people who are generous with their time :>)

That '4.7 million bites' thing has been bugging me for years. I've lost count of the number of times I've tried to correct the statement, especially in media reports where it's noted as a fact rather than a guesstimate, albeit an educated one.

Caveat March 31st, 2009 10:43:38 PM

ARRRGGHHH - Number Four I hear all the time!!!! I am sorry but I can't believe there are that many abused dogs out there. I am sure and I know they exist and maybe it is splitting hairs.....but how about admitting that in fact the dog may just not have had the proper soicalization and training as opposed to he must have been beat. I say splitting hairs becuase I believe that you could make the arguement that if you have a dog from a young age and in the proper socialization period and you neglet to do so....then you have committed a form of abuse.
I think people are just lazy and don't invest the time - they don't want the cute little puppy to hate them for making rules. Then when they get older and have no discipline for most owners it is too late because they don't know how to deal with it. But as I think has been said here earlier you get out (in the dog) what you put in.

J.C. March 31st, 2009 11:47:06 PM

I took my "responsible owner, well behaved dogs" schpiel on the road a few years ago to some of the local school districts and targeted middle school and high school students.

I was appalled at the number of students who actually owned pets who were not able to interact appropriately with their dogs, and conversely at the number of these kids who had been bitten by their own pets.

The assumption was always that the dog should "know better" but after demonstrating correct and safe interaction, most if not all were amazed at how modifying their own behavior could provide solutions to otherwise problematic or even dangerous behavior from their pets.

I fill my days with correcting the damage wrought by negligent owners who are so blithely unaware of their own contributions to their dogs' behavior. It keeps me in bread and water, but I really wish there was a way to reach them before the problems arise.

As for the lies owners tell, it's part of my job to practice the forensics necessary to get the bigger picture and apply appropriate solutions. What they say becomes of no consequence because rarely do I believe it to begin with.

Linda Kaim April 1st, 2009 02:19:57 PM

Linda: Whenever I talk to school children (about once every couple of months) I always stress the importance of behavior, dog bite prevention techniques, etc. They always amaze me with their stories--so sad. So many have been scared, almost bitten, etc. I always take my [extremely] well-mannered Frenchie. She loves the attention and the children. It helps them relax with the concept of dogs as friends and family. But I always stress the warnings, nonetheless.

Dr. Patty Khuly April 1st, 2009 07:21:53 PM

I have changed MY behavior over the last few days and it has made all the difference! No more growling! Thanks for the insight/help. I am glad that I posted here and changed things early in my dogs life. (PS I will follow up with his vet on the things Jennifer mentioned just to be sure.)

Nancy B. April 1st, 2009 08:13:43 PM

Then we have the news media and their "responsible" (not!!) reporting of the incidents. There was one recently here in the Seattle area where the story was about the "attempted mauling" of a little girl while the dad slept inside and the neighbor jumped the fence to "Save" the girl. Granted the dad should not have been asleep with a couple of midsized dogs just recently brought home from a shelter, HOWEVER, these were midsized dogs (2). The little girl was checked at the hospital and there were NO injuries of any kind (except for a couple of bruises from getting knocked down. The dogs were playing near their human and simply ran into her - there is NO way 2 midsized dogs could "attempt to maul" someone without there being serious injuries. But, the "Mauling" is what sells the news, not the truth. 2 midsized dogs could do a LOT of damage before anybody could jump over the fence and save someone. mikey

Mikey April 2nd, 2009 06:33:12 PM

It's sometimes hard to know what to do. We have a dog that used to cringe and hide behind me and pee whenever any men came to our house. We worked with her and with a trainer and she doesn't do that anymore; instead she puts up her hackles, lowers her body, wags, and barks.

The trainer told us it wasn't fear aggression, and the dog responds well to correction (she'll calm down and sit, or willingly go into her crate if commanded to do so), but I've never been quite sure that it wasn't problematic. Maybe I need to get a second opinion from a different trainer?

Laura April 2nd, 2009 08:24:49 PM

My step-father used to say defensively that his and my mother's terrier of blessed memory did not really "bite," was just playing, excited, etc (perhaps true as to his disposition at the time of said behavior--and he wasn't a frequent biter--but it didn't really matter whether he was feeling hostile or not if he left a bruise on you). I had to resort to a euphemism, "okay, he didn't bite me, he just did something to me with his teeth."

Sarah April 6th, 2009 11:56:51 PM

People get emotionally attached to their dogs, whether it's for the right or wrong reasons. Anyone that suggests that they get rid of them for a non-aggressive dog is being callous (or clueless). In theory it's a great idea, but rarely practiced. (I'm referring to a comment made)

Rehabbing fearful or aggressive dogs takes time, money, education and commitment. Few people understand the work involved or have the time to do it. Management of these dogs is often incomplete (so dangerous) or cruel (dogs relegated to live their lives on a chain in the backyard). People turn to pop knowledge about working with their dogs and assume that if they just change the way they walk their dog or become more assertive their dog is going to improve. Doubtful. I cringe when I read owners proclaiming,'But I'm the leader!'. If they don't make the problem worse they likely don't help.

There is great training information available for folks working with fearful / aggressive dogs. The yahoo group AGBEH provides no nonsense advice and support to owners of these dogs. Emma Parson's Click To Calm, Leslie McDevitt's Control Unleashed, Patricia McConnell's The Cautious Canine, are all resources for owners with challenging dogs, to name just a few. There are certified behaviorists & trainers that understand fear based and aggressive behaviors and how to work with them (and many that don't). These resources don't mean that the process requires less energy or commitment, but they do give the best chance of success.

Vets are the first and often only line of defense a dog has when it comes to both their health and behavior issues. Yet many vets' ability to provide support and advice is limited or all too often wrong. The upcoming issue of JAVMA will have a behaviorist's response to a vet who believes that the 'concept of dominance is fundamental' to understanding canine behavior and controlling aggression toward children. This is despite the AVSAB's position on dominance.

If aggression in dogs is common enough that vets complain about it, why not think of it as a disease? How do we prevent it and how do we treat it when it occurs. Most pet owners care about their animals and want help, but they have neither the knowledge or understanding of how to proceed. Most vets are not the problem, but they sure could be more involved in the solution.

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I've got a 6 month old, bichon/mini poodle mix that so far has only shown aggression when another dog comes near her when she has a rawhide bone. She does not have food aggression with humans, and thinks it is okay to steal bones from other dogs (yikes), but when the dog she just took the bone from comes over to try to take it back, she turns all viscious and has even snapped. How in the world do I stop this without using negative methods (yelling, snout tap, etc)?

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