Vetcetera “Marley and Me” makes this vet cry...for all kinds of reasons

April 10th, 2009  

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I just watched the movie the other night and I have to say that I agree with your review.  I didn't like the movie much myself and the points you bring up here are valid ones for sure and eye opening.

Leesie April 10th, 2009 08:40:18 AM

I haven't seen the movie, but I did read the book.  The movie really doesn't interest me.  As a dog trainer, I see a dog that had no boundaries, no sense of where he belonged in the family.  Clueless humans who wouldn't/couldn't give the dog what he needed (a leader).  That poor dog just needed training with positive reinforcement, some behavior modification, and some help to get over his neurotic behavior.

I didn't find the book endearing or funny or witty.  I just found it sad.  If these people couldn't give the dog what it needed, they should have found it a home that could.  They have since gotten other labs, one of which has severe hip dysplasia.  They are still clueless.

 

 

Nita April 10th, 2009 09:08:50 AM

Airbrushed willie. Roflmao!

Nancy Freedman-Smith CPDT April 10th, 2009 09:10:47 AM

And don't even get me started on one of the movie's basic premise: That it's okay to get a dog for another person who doesn't really want one (and from a dubious breeder, yet). The only scene that really upset me on a deep level -- in the book too -- was when the Jennifer Aniston character turns against Marley when she has a  second baby and is feeling overwhelmed or suffering from post partum (that's not clear). That's all too often the case, with the distinction that often it doesn't turn out so well for those rejected dogs as it did for Marley.

Edie April 10th, 2009 09:13:29 AM

Did not see the movie, don't plan on watching it either. Always appalled especially given the fact that more dog die because of unsolved behavior problem...don't think i want to contribute to the kind of mentality these types of programs project to what is often a very uninformed public 8-)

joyce kesling, CDBC April 10th, 2009 09:35:31 AM

I watched Marley and Me the other day and boy did it wind me up. My hand *itched* to smack that hapless schmuck and his annoying whiny wife who were too lazy or inept to give that poor dog even the most basic training. Not cute! Not funny! Just pathetic. In fact, the dog's awful behaviour for most of the film made him only marginally likeable as a character as well. But of course I cried like a baby at the end, hating myself the whole time for being sucked in by such a manipulative Hollywood ending.

Carole M. April 10th, 2009 10:07:44 AM

Neither the book nor the movie holds any interest for me, since the premise endorses blatantexcuses for inappropriate behavior as acceptable, even admirable. 

The comedic look at problems that are the root cause of dogs being abandoned at shelters or left to their own devices on the streets is irresponsable and dangerous.

Since I did not see the movie, Dr K's comment about the euthanasia instead of exploring alternatives for bloat came as a bit of a surprise, but not wholly unexpected, since the only motivator for this sappy ill-conceived, inappropriate drek was the dollars it would leach from the pet loving public who can 'relate' to the 'problems' they experience with their own pets.

The "we are not alone" mentality only furthers the erroneous impression that there is no need to change behavior, either for the poor dog, nor for the foolish owners.

The instant experts (by virtue of their anecdotal experiences with one or two of their own dogs) that have really good publicists and even a little bit of media attention are viral to the unassuming public that  willingly takes their information from a totally inept source.

Good dogs are not born. They take effort.

But one has to want to apply that effort in order for the relationship to be successful.

Not one of us has never experienced the idle cocktail chatter about dogs that invariably crops up at dinner parties, restaurants, bars or picnics.

As a professional, it is all I can do to not step on some poor sod's conversation to point out to them the err of their ways.

 

 

 

Linda Kaim April 10th, 2009 10:11:57 AM

I agree with many of you that Marley and Me is an example of getting a dog for the wrong reasons, and being clueless about training him, and providing boundries.  I do have one comment on the bloat that caused Marley's euthanasia.  If you read the book, you find that this was not the first time that Marley had bloated.  He was too sick for surgery the first time, and the doctor did not think he would survive it.  He had other health problems and mobility issues, so that when he bloated the second time, and he vet was not able to 'untwist' his stomach, it really was best that he was put down.  In the book the owner explains that he chose euthanasia, not because he couldn't afford surgery, but because it seemed that it was time for Marley to go.

Sassy April 10th, 2009 10:12:46 AM

One or two more comments.  In the book the owner takes Marley to obedience training, but is kicked out of the class!  The owner, being clueless, did not know where to turn.  He then did his own training, and did manage to modify Marley's behavior quite a bit.  This is ignored in the movie.

Also, Marley suffered from thunderstorm paranoia, and living in South Florida certainly didn't help, as Dr. Khuly can attest!  Most of the destructive behaviors that you see in the movie actually happened when Marley was in a fear-induced panic during a thunderstorm.

The movie could have helped educate people about training methods and fear-induced destructive behaviors, but they just wanted to be cute.  Movies are so shallow - that's why I rarely watch them!

 

Sassy April 10th, 2009 10:21:54 AM

Had a family member who had a "bad" dog--inconsistent handling and environment, not enough handling, the poor dog was confused and unhappy.  Because they were having so much difficulty, with this dog, someone else gave them "Marley and Me" to...give them a laugh?   Help console them?  And they thought "Marley" was a rotten dog.  I *bet*.  (I'd've taken that poor dog and gotten her straightened out, but I have one who's bitch aggressive thanks to a bad experience.  All my dogs are rescues with quirks...albeit happy, well behaved rescues with quirks.)

Haven't read the book, but suspected the problem was exactly the same as the family member's dog.  I guessed that reading it would just make me mad.  I read voraciously, but among the few books I've ever put down and not been able to finish were the infuriating books people have written about THEIR bad handling leading to "bad" behavior in animals.

Galadriel April 10th, 2009 10:57:50 AM

Okay never heard ot it but read a few others takes on this book-movie.  I guess more then anything I admire Marely's will to endure being stuck with such a neurotic and insecure couple.

Evets April 10th, 2009 11:15:06 AM

It's unfortunate that this book and movie has been presented as a representative of dog ownership. I did not see the movie but I did read the book. Despite the obvious ending of boarding Marley for a second time after he came through the GDV episode once before in the same setting, the attitude of the owner in regards to owning a poorly behaved dog is sad. It's not okay to simply sedate the dog (with acepromazine judging by the description of the yellow pill sedative in the book) rather than modify behavior. Working in the ER I see the occassional "sedative" overdose - when one dosen't do the trick - just give the dog a second, or third! Maybe throw in one of the owner's valium and see if that helps (on top of the ace). How about a benadryl? We in vet medicine see it all unfortunately.

CVT April 10th, 2009 12:24:52 PM

Is this movie having the same effect on Labs as 101 Dalmations did on Dalmations, making the breed even more popular than it should be for the health of the dogs? 

Just wondering, but you can never underestimate the stupidity of the public...

Miss Kitty's Mom April 10th, 2009 12:24:54 PM

it even get's more abusrd

Austrian Times April 10, 2009

"Friends star Jennifer Aniston and Hollywood actor Owen Wilson have started a new trend in credit crunch Europe - after they agreed to eat dog food for a bet.

"The stunt - on a German TV show - has sparked a massive rise in sales of tins of dog meat as cash-strapped punters realise it must be safe to eat.

"The stars - promoting their hit pooch movie Marley and Me - took part in a TV dare show where they have to gamble on whether a guest can perform a particular stunt.

Evet April 10th, 2009 12:54:13 PM

Excuse my typos. Coffee isn't even working

Evet April 10th, 2009 12:57:20 PM

Sassy: On the GDV thing. A dog is never too sick for bloat surgery--they're all on death's door and it's always a race to untwist the stomach before it dies. (here's my post on this) No dispute: surgery is the only known way to treat a full gastric dilatation-volvulus. At issue, perhaps, is whether Marley had a twist or not. Not sure since I read the book and got bored. Now I don't even remember if I finished it.

Dr. Patty Khuly April 10th, 2009 01:44:32 PM

Furthermore, survival rates for GDV when treated with surgery exceed 75%. This is a supremeley treatable disease, that once treated has a very low recurrence rate (

Marc April 10th, 2009 02:01:52 PM

I agree with Miss Kitty's Mom, I can already see the influx of poorly bred puppies by the dozens being snapped up by uneducated owners and naming them all 'Marley'. Sigh.

cl April 10th, 2009 02:16:59 PM

Ok....you can't really say anything too bad as you actually supported the movie when buying it.

Chuck April 10th, 2009 02:31:55 PM

Chuck, do you really, truly, intend to say that if we buy a ticket or rent a DVD, we're hypocrites if we then find that we make any serious criticism of it? If we want to judge it irredeemably bad, we have to decide that without ever watching it?

Truly?

Lis April 10th, 2009 03:22:38 PM

Actually, the book was more about the growth & changes in Grogan and his family--including their dog (who, literarily speaking, was used as the "fulcrum" of the plot).  I found the book to be excellent, but  read it with a viewpoint expanded beyond the "doglover" part of me.  I guess I enjoyed it because it was more about family than anything, and the dog was an essential member of the family. 

The movie was not very true to the book's details, unfortunately.  Seems to have been made, as Dr. Khuly points out, to shamelessly pander to the public's emotions.  The obedience class scene was ridiculous and stupid. 

Twentieth Century Fox should be given some credit for including an insert in the "Marley & Me" DVD that encourages people to do their homework before acquiring a lab (or any dog).   The insert (which is in the form of an interview with John Grogan) points out that dogs are a commitment which requires considerable care and investmentof lots of time and money.  In this interview, Grogan actually advises people to "do the opposite of what I did in training Marley."

Ellie April 10th, 2009 03:45:44 PM

I'm hate that they portray it as a funny family film. A lot of small children haven't had the euthanasia talk and I'd be really upset if I was a parent and that was how the topic came up.

sarah April 10th, 2009 04:30:45 PM

I didn't find the book endearing or funny or witty. I just found it sad. If these people couldn't give the dog what it needed, they should have found it a home that could. They have since gotten other labs, one of which has severe hip dysplasia. They are still clueless. I don't think it's fair to imply that anybody who's dogs gets HD is 'clueless'. Disasters happen with even the most carefully bred matings. I bred my first (and probably last) Rottweiler litter 6 months ago. All the new puppy owners were supplied with copies of both parents health certifications (Both parents, hips excellent), but I still made it clear that I couldn't GUARANTEE anything. Obviously the way the puppy is reared is a contributing factor and I supplied relevent recommendations regarding diet and exercise. If any of the owners came back to me and told me that the puppy had come down with anything debilitating, I would obviously be devastated, and would refund their money. All I could acutally 'guarantee' was that I had done my best to ensure that the puppies *should* be healthy and sound. Not that they *would* be. Dr K, I went and read your post regarding bloat, and the last comment was a question. (It was posted waaay after the original post, so maybe you haven't seen it ? I would be interested in your answer: the question was why can Simthicone can not be used on dogs ? I have seen this recommended for dogs, so it came as a surprise that it was, according to this comment a no-no. Now I'm really confused :)

Alison April 10th, 2009 05:33:33 PM

Alison: Sorry to have missed that comment. I'll go back and re-read it and report back dutifully. 

Dr. Patty Khuly April 10th, 2009 05:44:22 PM

Couldn't get through the beginning of the book for the same reasons.The title should have been"I'm with Stupid". Nauseating.

Marsha April 10th, 2009 05:51:24 PM

Ah..."simethicone," as in Gas-X. You know, the only time I've ever used this is for my chronic gas sufferers. Though it's not contraindicated in bloats as far as I know, it's not going to help if the stomach is twisted. Makes sense, right? Does it prevent bloats? Haven't seen any evidence to support it does. Seemingly no evidence to support it doesn't. Is it safe? Pretty much. 

Dr. Patty Khuly April 10th, 2009 05:51:58 PM

sorry, it held no appeal to me at all. I got The day the world stood still. Which was excellent and I made my kids watch the old hurtful 1950's version as well, because, well...I could and I wanted them to appreciate just how far sci fi movies have come.

I don't think I have ever watched a pet movie (much less a disney one) that really thrilled me. I watched Flicka because I loved the books as a kid....the movie was o k a y.

Not a Jennifer Aniston fan, and if I was a pet put down that could have been treated, that would have really annoyed me.

I wonder what that though process was behind the lack of realistic vet care....

LorriM April 10th, 2009 06:08:39 PM

when this movie first came out, two of my fellow vet tech classmates & I decided to go see it (prior to driving to Orlando for the NAVC)

we where all like "meh" upon leaving the theatre. I, being the student of behavior, was appalled Hollywood would yet again glamorize poorly-trained dogs as part of Americana, Bianca thought that it was highly unrealistic that the kids would go & watch videos of Marley's life, and Karla pointed out that if Marley was teh wife's dog, why was she not with him during the vet visits?

overall, a disappointing movie. does anyone have any recomendations for GOOD dog movies? (and don't say Old Yeller, it is now and will always be a tearjerker for me...)

Roxanne

President of SCNAVTA of MDC

Roxanne April 10th, 2009 07:56:56 PM

Neither the book nor the movie holds any interest for me, since the premise endorses blatantexcuses for inappropriate behavior as acceptable, even admirable.

I couldn't agree more. The story holds no interest for me.

Julie in OH April 10th, 2009 10:23:58 PM

With all due respect to Dr. Kuhly, I just have to say that my take on the GDV surgery is a little different. While I too am annoyed by the movie (haven't seen it but read the book), I disagree with the idea that euthanizing an old dog for bloat is unfair. The following is from Dr. Khuly's previous post on bloat: "They’re both deadly and expensive to treat. So owners often hesitate when presented with a sliding scale of fair to poor odds, which depends on the dog’s age, presenting condition and level of care. Because they inevitably end in surgery, it’s rare to expect recovery for less than a grand or two at a general practice and two to four thousand at the specialty hospital (where odds of survival increase, generally in proportion to the greater expense). " While finances definitely play a role in such a decision, the dogs suffering post operatively, other medical issues and ultimate life span also play a role. One of the above posters indicated that there was a 75% recovery rate. I have had veterinary surgeons give a general prognosis more like 50% or less. The few bloats I have seen were attended to very quickly, and taken to surgery. Two did well after approx a week in ICU dealing with impending sepsis, heart arrythmias, and persistent anorexia. One is currently battling chronic renal failure after suffering acute renal failure post-op. My own dog, an elderly rottweiller was immediately euthanized. I would have gone to the ends of the earth for her but the large tumor growing in her neck (a carcinoma) convinced me not to put her through it. My currently healthy (knock on wood) elderly Dane mix is certainly at risk for a GDV. He has terrible arthritis in his back and persistent vestibular disease. I think his quality of life right now is great, but I'm not sure putting him through a GDV surgery would be in his best interest. A couple of weeks of suffering, to buy him a few more months, for my benefit??? I agree that the option of surgery should have been discussed in the movie- GDV certainly isn't terminal, it is treatable and I hate to think that the masses have been given the wrong info. I just think that the decision to euthanize is a personal one and not one that should be judged by others (certainly not veterinary staff). After all Marley was a real dog, owned by a real family that MUST have loved him a lot because he DIDN'T end up in a shelter.

Meghan RAHT April 11th, 2009 12:51:54 AM

Couldn't get through the beginning of the book for the same reasons.The title should have been"I'm with Stupid". Nauseating.

Marsha

 

Oh thank you for that!

I "sampled" the book while waiting in a bookstore for someone.

Oh well. Could be worse.  Could be Jon Katz.

H. Houlahan April 11th, 2009 01:51:06 AM

Meghan: You're absolutely right on not criticizing an owner's decision to elect euthanasia. Not only can we not expect everyone to be able to afford major surgery, we have to respect each individual pet owner's view of suffering and each individual patient's medical circumstances.

Yes, there are many cases where the prognosis is poor--as when the owner arrives at home to find their dog has been suffering for a while and is now in the later stages (I, too, have given horrible prognoses on many cases--nowhere near 75%). But most patients are not this bad off when they arrive. 

If I can be so bold to 'out' the above poster, he is a veterinary surgeon. His stats are based on current literature for pets whose owners have elected to treat surgically. Sure, much of that decision may depend on how poorly the dogs present (hence, the skew towards more survivable cases), but it's also clear that bloat IS highly treatable.

That's why I believe the two-time bloat scenario in Marley and Me--without the consideration of treatment--is irresponsible. It gives the characters an easy out and, consistent with the rest of the movie, gives their blatantly inexcusable behavior a pass in the veterinary arena as well. 

Dr. Patty Khuly April 11th, 2009 07:20:56 AM

Seriously? The book is a true story about a family's life with their dog. (The movie obviously took other liberties) BUT - it's a true story. Marley, in the book, clearly had separation anxiety. Surely none of you can blame an average family for having difficulty raising a dog with separation anxiety.

JH April 11th, 2009 07:26:18 AM

THANK YOU, JH and Meghan.  My thoughts exactly.

As for the bloat scenario, the movie portrayed it inaccurately, leaving out Marley's other health issues.

Ellie April 11th, 2009 09:32:56 AM

No doubt raising a dog with separation anxiety is hard... but calling Marley the "world's worst dog" is like writing about your austistic son and calling him the "world's most awkward kid". The book takes a behavioral disorder and turns it into a wacky character flaw.

Megan April 11th, 2009 10:19:49 AM

Yikes - the movie/book sounds like an argument against pure bred dog ownership: why would anyone want a crazed/neurotic/sick/dying lab?  Nope - not gonna see it or read the book. As messed up as too many breeds are, this PollyAnna believes it's possible to slowly fix some of the problems caused by bad breeding practices.

As the owner of a breed with a high incidence of GDV (standard poodle),  it's helpful to read the comments here re: success rate of surgery. And don't forget prophylactic gastropexy during spay/neuter. While not a guarantee, it improves the odds against the deadly V.

 

Miki April 11th, 2009 11:26:51 AM

I haven't read the book although it's sitting on my shelf. I haven't seen the movie and friends warned me not to because of the ending. Now, reading this, I'm sure I won't, because it would make me too upset seeing a supposedly beloved dog euthanized for a treatable condition, unless he were also suffering some concomitant lethal condition like cancer or really and truly on his last legs due to old age.

And if finances played a part in their decision, it seems a bit obscene to me that they are making so much money now off their supposed "worst dog in the world" as someone here said they called him. Something just not karmically right about euthing your dog because you don't want to spend the $$ treating him (if that's what happened) and then getting rich off his memory.

Glad I read this I think I will try to get a store credit for the book.

Stefani April 11th, 2009 11:45:18 AM

I think a lot of you are being very judgemental about a book you haven't read or a movie you haven't seen.  The movie sucked - most do.  The book itself, while it showed a lot of ignorance about dogs, showed that Marley was clearly well-loved, despite his issues.  The health issues it records, including having to be carried outside for elimination and up and down stairs (and he was not a light-weight), and other issues that needed constant care, show that his family did not just euthanize him because it was too inconvenient or expensive.  Also, this story took place in the 80's and early 90's.  There have been a lot of advances in veterinary medicine, and the treatment for many of the health issues that Marley suffered from.  Please take that into account.

If you still don't want to read the book or see the movie, that is your choice.  But please don't judge something that you don't know much about based on the comments that you read - if you want to comment about a specific situation, make sure you know the particulars about that situation.

Sassy April 11th, 2009 05:26:12 PM

Meh, there are a lot of dogs who are "well loved" and extremely poorly owned. Well loved can be an excuse for just about anything- no training, no boundaries, overfeeding.

The stupidity in the book made me crazy. Yes, tons of people make mistakes in choosing their dogs and in raising their dogs. That's life, that's how things are. But I don't get the glamorization of it. I don't get the holding it up and celebrating how poor they were as dog owners. Oh, wait. It's not that they were bad owners, it's that Marley was the world's worst dog.

I read the book, but there's no way I'm seeing the movie. One frollic through those peoples' lives was more than enough.

Katie April 12th, 2009 06:42:03 AM

Gee, they kept the dog. They took the dog with them when they moved. This was a 90 pound dog. Through all the changes in their lives, they kept the dog. I read the book and the message seemed pretty clear. Do the best you can for the people and the beings you love and who love you. New treatments, new approaches, new techniques. Oh, you must do do this. Oops, sorry, new statistics. Now you must do this to be a good parent...dog owner...cat owner. But then, maybe being in a hospital intensive care waiting room for three weeks waiting for a family member to regain consciousness changes one's view. Or watching your 15 year old spaniel spasm on the porch while he can't control his bladder or cloaca and watching so when he is dieing you can be there and have your hand on him. Sometimes, it's your responsibility to decide to let death occur without too many interventions. If writing a book about one's experiences with a dog, and making money from it, is a problem, take it to your local school board. Tell them what you think should be written about these matters.

Heather in Miami April 14th, 2009 12:40:01 AM

I couldn't stand the book. That poor dog, with those ignorant people doing everything wrong. Not funny! You couldn't pay me enough to watch the film.

I'll put in a plug for an Aussie book where (spoiler alert!) the dog is alive and happy with its people at the end.  It's called "Lucky for Me" and it's by Frank Robson. 

parlance April 14th, 2009 09:14:37 AM

I didn't read the book, nor am I likely to watch the movie, for all the same reasons many have already given. I don't find it funny to allow a dog to behave inappropriately. Mostly, I want to smack the owners, since I don't expect dogs to train or supervise themselves.

Bad dog behaviour is precisely why dogs (and their owners) are discriminated against in so many needless (and infuriating) ways. Allowing unacceptable behaviour leads to abandonment and euthanasia for most of these dogs. (I suspect it is rare for poorly-trained dogs to die natural deaths, having lived their entire lives in one, loving home.) Abandonment, re-homing, and an early death are what await most poorly-reared dogs.

Who wants to live 10-15 years in the same home with a poorly-trained, destructive, obnoxious dog? ...Not most owners. Who wants to live next door to a poorly-trained, destructive, obnoxious dog? ...Not most neighbours. Who wants to allow poorly-trained, destructive, obnoxious dogs as guests in their hotels? ...Not most hoteliers. Who wants to encounter poorly-trained, destructive, obnoxious dogs on the street or in parks? ...Not most people.

I honestly don't see the humour. Dogs are fantastic goofballs when they're behaving like dogs, but within the constraints of responsible ownership (supervised, not harming anyone or damaging anything, under the owner's verbal control). Maybe it's just me, but I don't see property damage, fear, anxiety, or any other negative consequences of preventable, inappropriate dog behaviour as being particularly amusing. 'Marley & Me'? No thanks. :-(

Marjorie April 14th, 2009 01:09:22 PM

Dr. Jay Butan, who was Marley's vet at one time, admitted to deliberately killing a cat with an insulin overdose and was charged by the Florida Board with inhumane euthanasia (as well as embezzlement from his business associate).

See Article on how Butan was Marley's vet, citing his violations and his admission of the insulin overdose

Stefani April 14th, 2009 10:46:45 PM

I watched the movie...

I Thought it was good! I'm not affraid to say it.

Just cus your dog lives outside and uses a toilet this movies kinda more about reality :)

And if you didn't find the ending even slightly upsetting... Then you've never had a pet, Or if you have... You've never loved it like a pet should be!

Yes i agree there's bad bits in it... and unrealistic bits in it... What movie doesnt have those bits though.

Worth buying :D 

 

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amal_ May 22nd, 2009 09:51:20 AM

This movie was a comedy not to be taken seriously. Yes the dog needed training but most of us dog lovers learn with each dog.  The comments made about hip dispalsia the dog was a rescue.  Children need to know pets die and any parent who did not know the ending shame on you. There was so much publicity about this movie, Grogan stated this book was about the life of a beloved dog.  All owners love their dogs trained or not and should not be criticized because their dogs misbehaved and have not had hours of obedience training.

M June 4th, 2009 02:48:05 PM

I really didn't understand what you were getting at with this blog post until tonight. My 9 year old australian shepherd started limping about 7pm. About 730 my husband noted that his stomach was distended. We took him to the ER immediately and he is currently in surgery for gastric dilation. 4500 dollars later... but they said if he makes it through surgery it's pretty much a 100% recovery. They were apparently surprised at his size since he is just 55lbs.  I'm just sick about it.

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I'm just glad that I have pet insurance, I can't save much on the monthly basis as it might exceed any savings I have if my Aust. Shep. puppy needs to go to the ER, and it may be due because she may have eaten something that dogs shouldn't and we watch her all the time, but not every minute and the house and yard is puppy-proof as much as possible.  

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