Vet Stress Is pain relief the worst thing that’s happened to hips since hip dysplasia?

August 5th, 2009  

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I'm inclined to agree with you.  However, my concern is that this could be turned into "let's restrict meds" and it's take oh so long to get them to be available for pets.  There's a frightening pendulum of opinion when it comes to meds, especially pain meds.

PJBoosinger August 5th, 2009 10:54:40 AM

Isn't it the case with any kind of treatment, that it's only as good as the person making the calls on how to use it?

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Breeding for hip conformation isn't really something I've encountered personally; all my dogs are mutts/rescues of unknown breeding.  Almost anyone who ends up with a shelter/rescue dog has this same issue.  I suspect there'll always be dogs of unknown breeding or accidental breeding or strays breeding, so I think there'll always be dogs whose hips are just not great.  As long as rescues and supporters are pushing "don't buy, adopt a dog" I think we need to acknowledge the drawbacks of adopting dogs as well as the benefits, one of which is that we couldn't pick the dog based on the quality of the parents/grandparents/older siblings/etc.

And hey, so many people who breed dogs are not breeding for...well, ANYthing.  And they don't care about their puppies past "make a quick buck."  They'll sell sick, deformed, crippled dogs and not change their breeding/handling practices one bit.  Unless we can guarantee the shutdown of puppymills, there'll still unfortunately be badly-bred dogs who need lifetime care & pain management.

Galadriel August 5th, 2009 12:11:05 PM

I have mixed feelings about this subject. 

A dear friend of mine has two rottweilers, both rescues, both arriving with a myriad of joint, muscle and immune disorders.  After many TENS of thousands of dollars, and many, many, MANY surgeries, it is arguable that these dogs are any better off than they were when they arrived in their new home. 

Of course, these are not typical cases - but they are certainly cause for me to stop and think before going ahead with any surgical procedure that may not yield a positive result. 

It should also be noted that both dogs surgical journies began before age 2.  The emotional and financial toll that their owners' efforts to "do the best possible" for both dogs is mounting... and getting worse. 

They have finally come to the decision that neither dog will be going under the knife again (at least for their current issues) and management is really the most humane option.

Kim August 5th, 2009 01:27:39 PM

It is my understanding that the Pet Insurance Industry who have a vested interest in these statics say that shelter dogs(mutts) are healthier than pure breed dogs.

Robert Garnett August 5th, 2009 02:09:05 PM

I agree - I can see how more and more clients would write off their dogs' ailments as an inevitable byproduct of aging easily and effectively treated with NSAIDs as opposed to a progressive orthopedic disease which be be fixed surgically before it's advanced. 

anna August 5th, 2009 02:50:27 PM

I agree with Galadriel; I don't see bad breeding ever going away.

I think pain relievers are wonderful when used properly.  My parents' dalmatian is almost 14 years old.  She has some degeneration in her spine that makes it difficult for her to get around, and surgery isn't a reasonable option.  But, with medication, she's able to lead a reasonably happy life, and she's outlived most of the dogs we had growing up.

Posey August 5th, 2009 03:08:22 PM

You can't control breeders, as much as it's a good idea. That just goes back to controlling too many things that people in our country feel is a basic right, and the anthrocentric view of "humans can do what we want, and lesser animals must just take it even if hurts them."  (As much as stupidty can be a basic *human* right... and then you wonder why animal people prefer the company of animals.)  Anyway.

Dr. K, what's your opinion of pain management and quality of life with dogs that have already had surgery? To review my case: 3 y.o. spayed female 80 lbs mix, puppy onset hip dysplasia in a particularly nasty severity (extensive fractures to the femur, no socket for the femur on the pelvis), FHO at 2 y.o... is it appropriate to keep her on a NSAIDs as a pain management regimen? Her behavior and reactivity have both improved and she leads as much of an active life as she can, but is finally getting it through her thick head that laying down is often the best spot for her... that's taken a lot of training, but it seems to be working. I understand that there's a risk of long-term organ damage, but we do blood work at least anually to watch for that. Any other reasons I should or shouldn't be keeping her on a consistent, light dose of NSAIDs with an occasional 'bump' of narcotic pain meds for days when she gets too enthusiastic, injures herself, or the weather's bad?

Karl Katzke August 5th, 2009 05:43:22 PM

Karle: If it's a light dose of NSAIDs you should be just fine as long as you adhere to the safety regimen detailed here. Opiates like tramadol are great for a "bump," but you should also consider the occasional round of Adequan as an NSAID boost (or all by itself for some who respond really well. I use the eight shots in four weeks protocol and it's working out well for my patients. And I assume you're already using glucosamine––preferably the one with avocado extract for maximum benefit as we perceive it by today's standards (Dasquin by Nutramaxx or one of the human versions).

Dr. Patty Khuly August 5th, 2009 07:00:54 PM

Oops, Karle. Here's the link. It's what I offer my dog owners by way of a written explanation.

Dr. Patty Khuly August 5th, 2009 07:02:14 PM

 "does it not stand to reason that assiduous breeding for best hip conformation might take a breather?"

I don't think so.  Breeders who didn't care about hip conformation before may use new treatment options as an excuse, but the breeders who DO care are still doing screenings through OFA or PennHip for hips, elbows and everything else.  Actually - at least in my breed - I would say that a much higer percentage of breeders are doing screenings now than even 10 years ago.  Partly because of education efforts, partly because of pressure applied through the national breed club.  A knowledgeable breeder understands that even if a genetic disease has good treatment options it is still basically a ticking time bomb.

Barb August 6th, 2009 01:33:28 PM

Good point, Barb. I didn't think of it that way. But isn't it the case that for those who sell litter after a litter (and call themselves "breeders") that purchaser anger against them is diminished when there's a way to "fix" the problem through pain control? I also happen to know plenty of "breeders" happy to get their OFAs and still willing to breed "good" hips––because the offspring aren't likely to have trouble until later in life, once it's deemed "acceptable" and treatable with pain control measures. It's that kind of poor dogsmanship that I'm thinking about in this case.

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