Vet P.O.V. Bans are booming! Florida bill backs wider adoption of breed-specific legislation

March 16th, 2008  

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I'm not a fan of breed banning. I think it's just stupid. Not all pitbulls are dangerous and any dog has the potential to become dangerous. The law needs to be altered to where maybe owners with pitbulls, shepherds, mastiff type dogs, rottweilers, ect..need to be registered with the county where it lives. Then if their dog becomes aggressive and bites, then the animal should be put down and the owner shouldn't be allowed to own those type of dogs either for life or for a certain amount of time.

ashleigh March 16th, 2008 06:44:00 PM

Great post, good Dr!

Thankfully we don't have any proposed BSL in my area at the moment, but there is still a lot of prejiduce against a great breed. I see this even in the animal hospital I work at. A couple of the receptionists don't like to even be near pit bulls and even give my recent pibble rescue, Hughes wide girth when I have him at work. The sad part is, I would much rather have to deal with a painful pittie than any other breed under the same amount of duress. When Hughes was brought into the hospital with his bottom lip tore 3/4 of the way off, his tail was still wagging like crazy to meet new people. Even though he was the attackee and not the attacker, the sheriff in charge of animal control in the county wanted him put down for simply being an aggressive pitbull, even though he did nothing to provoke the fight or defend himself.

I can't remember ever needing to muzzle a pit bull at work, but there are plenty of good old family dog labs and coker spaniels that are well acquainted with nose warmers.

Here are a couple of good, positive links involving pitties. The first is to the site of Kristine Crawford. He S&R team is one of the best in the country and, gues what? She uses all pit bulls. The link is to an article on her site telling of how she was kicked out of her neighborhood by the homeowners association, even though her dogs are heroes, even taking part in the search after the space shuttle disaster. The excuse was "we have to protect our children." Uugh!:

http://www.forpitssake.org/latham.html

The second link is to the site of Wallace the Pitbull. This dog went from being slated for euthenasia to champion disc dog in less than two years. As his handler Roo Yori said, "not bad for an unwanted pitbull."

http://www.wallacethepitbull.com

Check out the vid if you want to see something special.

Both sites have links to tons of BSL information and both site owners are great examples of owners and dogs being great ambassadors for the breed

Brian Hewitt March 16th, 2008 08:58:00 PM

I don't know much about this, but that's never stopped me from commenting before.

I used to think BSL might be a good idea, not because Pits are innately aggressive but just because a lot of innately aggressive lunkheads tend to buy them. (along with their spiked collars). However, lots of people I respect have come out against these type of bans, so I trust them more.

My Solution? (I always have solution). You get one bite free. Then your dog gets reported and with the second bite we take your dog...and your car. (yeah, I know there's no logical linkage, but people love their cars. Just watch Cops and see how people bawl when then find out their car is being confiscated for a bag of drugs. They cry more than when they get pinched for a 10 year term in prison)

Then we can take all the confiscated cars and all the good dogs can pee on them. (maybe this is going too far)

Larry March 17th, 2008 01:02:00 AM

You got any links handy Dr. Patty? Being in Flori-duh I must add my voice to the other side of the fence from PETA.

"...the kind of political expediency that ensures people like Representative Thurston get their names attached to a proposal any safety-loving voter stands prepared to swallow whol"

Boy ain't that the truth. World seems out of control, so lets regulate the heck out of everything we can. Like that makes anyone safer.

CathyA March 17th, 2008 06:31:00 AM

"The law needs to be altered to where maybe owners with pitbulls, shepherds, mastiff type dogs, rottweilers, ect..need to be registered with the county where it lives. Then if their dog becomes aggressive and bites, then the animal should be put down and the owner shouldn't be allowed to own those type of dogs either for life or for a certain amount of time."

Ashleigh where did you come up with this list? Maybe you forgot to add Cockers? They can be really nasty. "Mastiff type dogs"? Would that include St. Bernards or Berners? Who gets to decide what exactly makes a "mastiff type" dog? A large Golden mixed with a Boxer? Might look "Mastiffy", sheesh. It scares me to read this and think that people really buy into these stereotypes.

There are people that could ruin a pickle so lets get real and target them instead of the animals who didn't ask to be brought into that horror.

Jules March 17th, 2008 07:05:00 AM

Thank you for taking this position, Dr. Khuly. Any breed can be dangerous, and breed bans do nothing but demonize the innocent, both human and dog.

I remember when I was 3 years old, and was visiting my paternal grandmother (who we saw only a few times a year), I was sitting on her lap, and her old cocker spaniel dog, Rusty, jumped up and bit me right in the face -- got my lower lip badly enough to need stitches.

I remember crying and beign very upset, not only because the stitches hurt, but MOSTLY because I was upset that Rusty didn't like me. My grandmother explained that he was jealous. My mom told me to stay away from Rusty when we were there, and that was it. No one called animal control, no one --least of all me -- wanted Rusty to be hurt.

This, however, was the late 60s, a very different time. Today, if that happened, the dog would be seized when the hospital reported it.

We would have had to lie to protect Rusty. The world has gone crazy.

Anyway, my point is, any breed can be dangerous, breed bans make no sense - holding owners responsible for their pets does.

Stefani March 17th, 2008 09:45:00 AM

OK got some links:
Current Dangerous Dog law: http://tinyurl.com/2vsgv3
HB 101: http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/bills...
Someone's sample letter to Committee on Agribusiness with some choice Newkirk quotes:
http://tinyurl.com/26xvqe
While at HB 101 site you can get address for committee and house members from links on that page.

CathyA March 17th, 2008 03:35:00 PM

So far, every pit bull I've met has been very friendly to people (some are a bit dog agressive). Makes me think of the NRA slogan---"if you ban guns, only the criminals will have them" or something like that...
I can't help but think environment is a huge factor for dog agression, or underlying physical pain or illness.

Right on point, when will "existing laws" be enforced?? Or perhaps, enforced with "stiffer" penalties.

Barbara A. March 17th, 2008 06:30:00 PM

I live in Florida and this is in my opinion a classic example of a knee-jerk reaction. I own a pit bull and he is one of the best dogs that I have ever had. I also have a Huskey and a Chow. I have 2 young children living in my house and they grew up with these dogs. I work as a firefighter and am away from my home for extended lengths of time, these dogs are a security system for my wife and kids.

Recently Ammendment 1 was passed in Florida which will cut state funding for counties and cities. This is resulting in cuts to Police, Fire and teachers. If you watch the news you will see that Florida is no longer the peaceful and loving place to live as it was 10 years ago.

There is no way to enforce this Bill, who is going to make the decision on what is a pit bull when there are no papers on it, what about a mixed breed, will there be a ban on all mutts?

As for PETA, we as pitbull owners supported them with the Michael Vick case and signed thier petition, now they show their real colors and stab us in the back...

Mars1 March 17th, 2008 06:56:00 PM

BarbaraA-

Pits have been bred to be "people friendly" and that has stood true with all of the pitties I have encountered. Most of the attacks on humans I have seen that are blamed on pitbulls usually involve a mix of some sorts, but it is the pitbull part of that mix that gets the bad rap.

As far as being dog aggressive...yes animal aggression is also a part of the breed, but it can usually be tempered with socialization, exercise, and responsible ownership. While I love these dogs and will fight BSL tooth and nail, I would never take my pittie to the dog park and let him run around off leash, nor would I leave him alone in the house with my cats. If I did so, how could I blame the dog if I came home to Thurston and Gookette in pieces on the living room floor? If you watch the videos of Wallace at the site I linked to in my previous post, you will see that Roo always puts Wallce on his leash as soon as they are done with their routine and the dog is being given an outlet for all of his pibble power.

Are these dogs for everybody? Not so much. Should they be discriminated against? Hell no! That being said, dog ownership of any breed should come with responsible ownership, but we know that doesn't always happen. The bad thing is, these dogs will do what other dogs do, only faster, stronger or better. If that activity is something like weight pulling or disc doggin...great! But if it is acting out of frustration or boredom, the outcome can be bad and responsibility needs to be placed on the shoulders of the owner.

Sorry for the rant. You hit the nail on the head about environment :)

Brian Hewitt March 17th, 2008 07:45:00 PM

Also, the mention of the Vick pitbulls reminded me...

What other breed is out there that can be so forgiving? I think it was something like all but two of the dogs recovered from his property were deemed able to be rehabilitated. What's that, like 47 out of 49 or something like that?

That statistic alone speaks wonders about the true nature of the breed.

Brian Hewitt March 17th, 2008 07:50:00 PM

Marsl: On the enforcement of pit bull bans--it's spotty, but here in Miami-Dade, people do get citations. It's $500 the first time. Then $1000. The third time they're euthanized. This does happen. To my knowledge, no one's ever challenged the constitutionality of these laws. Anyone know a good ACLU lawyer, maybe?

As for PETA: You know those dogs they were actively trying to "help" with their petition? They wanted them all euthanized. How's that for animal rights?

Dr. Patty Khuly March 18th, 2008 07:46:00 AM

Here's some stats on what the San Fran pit bull ordinances did.......not much
http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/

CathyA March 18th, 2008 06:08:00 PM

Great post! This law is the best law when it comes to breed specific. I love that i can live in Florida and not ahve to worry about my city or a neighboring city that I may want to visit with my Pit Bull trying to enact a breed ban. Now I am floored that the one state I though we were safe in we may now be in jeopardy. Breed bans don't help the problem since they only hurt the responsible owners like myself. Its bad enough due to the undeserved hype i had to take out an insurance on my dog to suffice my landlord and now this representative wants to try to make it possible for the city to take my baby away from me.
Anyone who feels this breed is a threat i encourage you to truly educate yourself through research. A good place to start is Animalfarmfoundation.org. This is a great website and has links to other research organizations that provide alot of light on this subject. It is time for dog owners of all breeds to speak out against this bill because you never know it may be your breed next! PLEASE VOTE NO TO HB101

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