Vet News Do pets grieve?

September 3rd, 2008  

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Here's the story in the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/science/02angi.h...

Dr. Patty Khuly September 3rd, 2008 11:34:00 AM

When I lost my BMD Amanda, I was crushed. My vet came to the house and she was euthanized out on the lawn. I decided to let my other two dogs out to see her. They ran over her, grabbed a ball and started to play. My one dog even sat on her. I’ve heard many stories of dogs grieving but for me, they don’t seem to notice.

Betsy September 3rd, 2008 11:44:00 AM

I think it's the latter:

"Or is it maybe because if we know animals are capable of more complex emotions like grief we'll have even more cause to question how we treat them...? "

Also, humans just HATE to admit that we are just a branch on the evolutionary chain, and that other creatures have similar capacities. We like to believe that those qualities we believe give us what we consider our humanity are uniquely human. But I think it's self-delusion to continue a sort of species-arrogance that justifies a divide and conquer way of living.

Stefani September 3rd, 2008 11:47:00 AM

I firmly believe that pets grieve and feel a sense of loss. I would like to read how others have addressed this in a multiple pet household.

I have noted at end-of-life for one pet, another will take up the position of sentry guard, and calmly sit with the ill one for hours without torment or play. Then when the inevitable day comes, another or several will sense the loss----search everywhere, whine, and be agitated.

When my eldest passed this last April, it was the first time the "entire" group was equally out-of-sorts. Her "granddaughter" kept going to the cellar door----where years earlier our old feline used the litterbox (and she happened to be the one who sensed her death)---as if thinking that is where the dying go to disappear forever!

Any practical thoughts as to easing the loss for other pets?

Barbara A. Albright/New Hampshire September 3rd, 2008 12:05:00 PM

When I was very little my parents had an older cat, when I was 3 they bought a GSD puppy. The puppy, Cinnamon had severe hip dysplasia. By the time Cinnamon was 16 months old she had had 4 surgeries, one on each hip, spay and one when she had a bad fall and broke her leg. The cat would sit vigilant with Cinnamon after every surgery and any off days. When the cat passed away at 16, Cimmy came to the "funeral" in the back yard and sat at the grave site for days.

A few years later we got another cat, the dog and the cat were good friends - snuggle buddies and protectors, when Cimmy passed on at 13 (she was euthanized at the vets office and cremated) the cat sat at the door (he was an indoor/outdoor) but would never go out. This went on for well over a year, I believe it was his way of mourning her loss.

I think they definitely feel loss; however, it seems to me most either really mourn, or don't even act like they notice.

Spazzy September 3rd, 2008 12:59:00 PM

Based on my experience with my cats, I would agree with Spazzy's conclusion. Years ago, when I had just two, I had to euthanize Nigel, the older male. The younger female, Zoe, was devastated. For weeks she would wander all over the house, looking everywhere. I'm certain she was looking for him. She was always very attached to him. In whatever way a cat can feel such a loss, I know she did.

More recently I had to put one of my four cats to sleep after a long decline. Two of the others seemed barely to notice--no observable changes in their behavior; the third one seemed out-of-sorts and was more clingy with me for awhile, but nothing remotely like what Zoe went through when her beloved Nigel disappeared.

I don't know if I would presume (or anthropomorphize) to call it grief; that would seem to me to suggest a cognition of death that I don't think a cat could really have. But clearly they can and do experience SOMEthing upon the loss of another animal they were close to.

Judy September 3rd, 2008 02:34:00 PM

I always think of the story in "Bones Would Rain From The Sky" about the ways different dogs react to grief and Clothier's friend's golden, who stole a ball out of her housemate's grave.....

I *know* animals grieve. I don't know how they percieve it, exactly, and I don't think it's necessarily as long-lasting as our grief. But I know they notice when people or other pets they were attached to are suddenly missing.

Cait September 3rd, 2008 03:01:00 PM

Interesting timing on this post Dr. Khuly. We just sent out our monthly email newsletter on this very topic. My boss has worked with grieving pet owners for about 25 years. She has run into this question about pets grieving many times. She has many stories from clients who will swear their animals grieved when a companion animal died. I know from my own personal experiences with my cats that they certainly miss the presence of the missing cat. My Henry cried for several weeks when Luna found a new home. He obviously knew she was gone and I think he was looking for her.

In our newsletter there is a handout that was written about our take on this. (If anyone is interested - we've already mailed out our email newsletter, but can forward a copy. Just email me!)

Tammy September 3rd, 2008 03:29:00 PM

The last comment I tried to ad just vanished, not rejected or posted. Is that just me?

emily September 3rd, 2008 04:10:00 PM

I think some animals do grieve. I think it is similar to human relationships, it depends on the relationship the animals had between each other as to the degree. (and it might be different than our percieved relationship between them) I'm sure some are probably not as sad to see some housemates go as others.

Marie September 3rd, 2008 04:36:00 PM

We know pets bond with people and other pets, and isn't it the nature of bonding to have some emotional attachment to another's existence? To rely on their presence for a sense of security? So how could they not feel loss, depending on the relationship they had with the other pet or the human they have lost? Grief may not be the right word but they do miss their companions and may feel uneasy or fearful. My dog became super-clingy and seemed at a loss for what to do, when we lost the dog he had grown up with for 12 years.

I don't know enough about cats but my suggestion for grieving dogs is to give them extra attention, maybe even a little rescue remedy in their water bowl, and put aside your own grief for a while to do something new they will enjoy. Maybe teach a new trick, start a new walk routine, somehow engage them in an activity that won't seem "off" to them because their usual companion is missing. I think dogs live in the present and the near future, and not so much in the past so they will move on but they need a little distraction and something to look forward to.

Anne September 3rd, 2008 05:15:00 PM

emily: Sorry. That happens sometimes. If you still have trouble send me the comment and I'll post it in the exact spot your sad query stands right now.

Dr. Patty Khuly September 3rd, 2008 05:19:00 PM

I agree with Anne: Simple home remedies that are soothing (burn lavender oil candles, Feliway, Rescue Remedy, etc.) can help. Pick up a new routine to take her mind off it (start an exercise regimen (good for you, too). Lots of soothing petting. Maybe some extra treats to associate some new good with the bad.

Dr. Patty Khuly September 3rd, 2008 05:22:00 PM

I agree that the animal's reaction to loss is affected by their relationship with the deceased/ one who is gone. Several years ago, I had a roommate who shared custody of two cats with her boyfriend. One of the boyfriend's cats was rather unpleasant and would bully my kitty. When kitty and I moved elsewhere, she didn't show any signs of missing the bully. That said, kitty is quite attached to her people, and her behavior changes when one of us is gone for an extended period of time.

Posey September 3rd, 2008 07:33:00 PM

I always find it strange when we are admonished not to see animals as having "human emotions". Could it not be that we humans have "animal emotions"? Our emotions may be more sophisticated (or are they?) but at root they seem to be made of very much the same stuff. I remember hearing someone say that their are only two basic emotions - love and fear and that all other emotions are derived from those two, sometimes in combination.

Alison September 3rd, 2008 09:27:00 PM

I do think dogs grieve.

I've had three dogs die (2 euthanized at home), and in each case their companion dog was able to see the dead body. There was very little reaction--the dogs, in fact, seemed more interested in interacting with the vet. But there was no looking for the deceased dog later on. I think the surviving dog did understand the companion was dead.

My current dog, Ukiah, came to me as a rescue who had been neglected/abused. He is shy, and he often looks to other dogs to see if everything is "all right." When his companion dog died--and in her last year, she was elderly, and had had a front leg amputated, so she wasn't very interactive with him--he regressed, exhibiting an increase in nervousness. (He also got colitis.) Is that grief? Why not? Yes, it is dependent on his own needs and sense of security--but we might very well say the same about human grief. Does a sense of loss really depend on higher cognition?

I decided to get another dog within a few weeks, in part because of his reaction. His anxiety disappeared right away.

Arlene September 3rd, 2008 09:34:00 PM

Interesting timing. We've got a situation going on with this at home right now. The elderly (19 y.o.!) dachshund who lived here (belonged to Grandma, who we live with) passed away just before the holidays this past year. The cat, who had grown up with him (she's about 8 now?), will sleep constantly on Link's old red blanket. Now, maybe she's just *really* fond of his blanket... but she does seem to moon around the house looking for him in his old haunts, too - looking in corners and meowing and pacing.

My own dogs went through what seemed like a grief phase when my greyhound passed; and my one remaining dog went through a different kind of process - relief! - when we re-homed the trouble-maker. I guess she'd been burning the candle at both ends keeping him in line (she's Border Collie X) - and when he left she slept for three days straight.

One final cute, unscientific, irrelevant story: when I ask my dog, "Where's Gracie?" (Gracie is her littermate who died about four years ago) she looks up at the sky, every single time. So we always agree... "Yes, Harley, Gracie's in Heaven."
(Sooooo saccharine....)

Stacey September 3rd, 2008 09:57:00 PM

I know animals grieve loss of loved ones. I've witnessed it with different species even. We had to put one of our cats to sleep in December, the Fibrosarcoma had spread terribly. His littermate grieved the loss. He did not look for him, I am pretty sure he knew his brother was sick. Our other cat also grieved but not like the remaining litter mate did. Special canned foods, lots of love, and since it was around Christmas I went nuts buying toys to cheer us all up. Neither cat looked for Raven. I know they knew he was sick.:-(

I witnessed horses grieve the loss of a beloved friend too. My Mom's horse broke his leg in the pasture, and before they could move his body out, the horses all gathered around him. For quite some time after the body was moved, the herd was very subdued. Which was unusual for that group. It was very sad, in addition to our own grief.

RavensMom September 3rd, 2008 10:01:00 PM

when we had our 15 year old cat euthanized due to reccuring cancer, our Maltese, who had been raised with her from the time she was 3 months old, went to the sunnroom door and waited for her untill we forced her to come in late in the evening. This continued for about two months. She had been greeting Jinx at the door every evening for several years after we moved to this home. Habit? Yes. Her lathargic behavior and lack of appetite. No. She definitely missed her companion and went back to normal when we brough home a kitten. Granted, Maltese are one of the oldest breeds known to man and exhibit behavior I have never seen in other breeds. But, did she grieve? Yes. Was she just picking up on our grief? Your guess is as good as mine.

PM Hill September 3rd, 2008 10:02:00 PM

I've never commented here before but I wanted to share this story... When I moved to California after college, I took my cat, Topaz, with me, separating her from her sister Troi, who she had grown up with. Troi passed away at 11 of heart failure about a year after I moved away. Two years later, Topaz and I returned to Boston so I could go to graduate school. When we got to my parents house, Topaz, who was in renal failure at that point and had little energy, searched the house high and low using her special meow that she'd used to call out for Troi. She couldn't find her... and I've never seen her more depressed and listless, despite her long illness. My sweet baby passed away two weeks later.

Catie September 4th, 2008 09:50:00 AM

I've asked my vet those very questions a few times.

When Angel died, Taz went into a depression. When Oreo died, my other cat cried every morning in the hallway for a hour or so for over 2 weeks until we got a new kitten, Mojo. Once the two of them got used of each other, all the crying stopped. Toolman hasn't had a sad morning since then. He still "talks" alot, but he isn't mournful as he has somebody of his own species to play with.

I have zero doubts that if something happened to Mojo that Tool would go through the grieving process again. He was adopted out twice to homes with no other pets and he was destructive. Once he went back to the animal hospital and later came home with us, all the destructive behavior stopped. He's one of those weird cats that needs to be in a home with other animals. We're not sure why that is as he was found in a ditch ( by himself) at a young age of 4 weeks, but he does and he doesn't bother with anything other than chewing holes in bags of cat or dog food if they are left where he can get to them. He did the same thing at the hospital and I didn't see this habit as a major issue. I just don't leave bags of cat or dog food laying around. He's allowed to rub on them, but once I see teeth, the bags go on a high shelf in a closet where he can't get to them.

I thought when we got Ella Taz's attitude would change and it did in some ways, but not in others. Ella is a like a little tornado being a Jack and all, and Taz doesn't like having her energy imposed on him. He puts up with her for very short amounts of time, but I think he still misses Angel as Angel was his buddy. Taz spent many hours snuggled up to her because she didn't have Ella's energy and I think he saw her as a form of comfort. I take the situation for what it is. Taz is going to be 12 this year, has cancer and just wants peace and quiet. Ella the happy hellion loves people and wants to show the world that she's a free spirit.

My vet's advice is simple- She tells people to keep a watchful eye on the animal that is grieving or mourning. If the animal stops eating for more than 48 hours, she requests that the animal be brought in to be checked out. While techinically she's a vet, this appointment also serves as a way for her to find out where the human is at in terms of a pets death. She knows that pets are sensitive to their humans emotions and if the human is feeling off or depressed for a extended period of time, the grieving pet has a tendency to feel the same way. Obviously this doesn't happen in all pet households, but it does happen.

I lost Oreo and Angel 24 hours apart which she labels as a "cluster deaths". For about a month afterwards, she kept tabs on me even though I had Mojo in the house by that time. She knew that I struggled with getting a new dog, but once Ella came into our lives, she stopped worrying about where my frame of mind was and unless I'm having a bad when I bring somebody in for something, she doesn't bring it up.

I had people tell me that what I saw in Taz and Tool was nothing more than a figment of my imagination. Ironically, the people that told me this are not pet owners, so I took their thoughts for what they were worth which was nothing. I know how my pets behave on good and bad days, and when they are feeling off, it's obvious to me.

Stacy September 4th, 2008 12:51:00 PM

Pets say goodbye when they know they're about to pass, so who says they don't also grieve? My sister's cat was badly injured in a home invasion... the burglar broke in to my sister's apartment and assaulted both of her cats. Mia was okay, she is the more aggressive of the two. Kyra was badly hurt and required several surgeries.

My sister was so upset about the event that she moved in with me shortly after the break-in and brought both kitties with her. Kyra's health declined, first gradually, then drastically.

Finally one night Kyra emerged from her room, which was unheard-of. She carefully tottered across the floor with her huge sad eyes and asked me to put her on the couch. She climbed up on the back of the overstuffed couch herself and just purred. Up to this point, Kyra never interacted much with anyone but my sister. I had tried to administer medical care and tube feeding when my sister couldn't be there to do it, but Kyra barely tolerated me.

Her appearance was so out of character that it could only be explained as communication. She came out to say goodbye. She stayed with us just long enough to be sure that we all understood.

The next evening at the vet hospital, Kyra passed as a result of heart failure. It was a complication of surgery performed to correct an adhesion of the bowels caused by severe abdominal trauma. Kyra survived two months to the day after her assault, and she did it solely to say goodbye.

Pasada September 4th, 2008 01:09:00 PM

Pasada, When I rehash my Pocket's last week in a clinic cage, hopelessly dying and possibly beating all "odds" of natural death, I am certain that she "waited & waited" for me to be present for her passing, and certainly lived up to her breed's nickname of "diehard".

Barbara A. Albright/New Hampshire September 4th, 2008 01:50:00 PM

Animals grieve when they feel grief and loss -- not when "society" tells them that they "should."

So, they don't feel guilty if they don't feel the loss.

I think many humans would steal the ball from the grave if we hadn't been so thoroughly socialized to act stricken when Great-Aunt Betty dies. (Black comedy is utterly dependent on such moments.)

When three of our animals have died after long declines, the others have displayed varying signs of grief, depending on their relationships with the deceased animal, maturity levels, and cognition.

Dogs in particular understand death primarily in olfactory terms. (And I say this with confidence based on training SAR dogs for both live finds and cadaver search, as well as their response to death encountered in the performance of their duties.) Death is not an event, it is a process. When it is relatively slow, the surviving animals can perceive it before it happens -- often before the humans know that it is coming, as happened with two of my cats. When it is sudden -- trauma, or euthanasia of an animal that is not actually "dying" on his own -- it can take some time for the remaining animals to grok the reality of their packmate's death. For us, the inert body, not breathing, is the evidence. For dogs, it can be a matter of perhaps hours before the body tells them "dead." And just as young children have a hard time understanding that Grandpa is not going to wake up, some animals seem not to have the cognitive maturity to grasp death and perceive their own permanent loss. In animals that can be a permanent condition, perhaps one of the less-appreciated aspects of genetic selection for neotony.

When we euthanized a dog who had been here for months rather than years, and was not any sicker at the end than when he first came here, the general response among the dogs seemed to be a nervous release of energy into over-the-top play. I think that was more a response to our sadness at our failure to help him, and to the end of the awful anticipation and conflict that had dominated the household for weeks.

Except ...

Our dumbest dog, the one our friends call Raindog or Brain Trust, the socially clueless one, the one who had actually tripped over his body while we were burying him -- went to his grave an hour later, and smelled, and looked, and then looked straight at me with an expression of utter astonishment. Just flat-out shock. and the question, "What the ....?!". What the sight of her packmate's dead body had failed to do, the smell of his return to the earth sent home for her, and she was horrified. I have rarely, if ever, seen such acute comprehension on this particular dog's face.

H Houlahan September 4th, 2008 02:40:00 PM

Our minpin, Penny, was very attached to our tom cat, Taz. They snuggled together and played together. We found a baby kitten, Chino, which was abandoned and had no mother so we hand raised him. When Taz died of FeLV, Penny became a real terror around the house. She'd dig up the carpet and pace. Whenever you asked "where's Taz?" she'd roam around the house checking each room. However when Chino died, she did nothing.

ashleigh September 4th, 2008 04:15:00 PM

Just as every person is different and has their own way of greiving and dealing with loss, so is every pet. and like H Houlahan said, pets don't have the burden of guilt or shame. They don't greive because they think it is what they should do, or feel guilt because of what they did or didn't do (beyond the moment of offence to their humans)

I have six cats, and when my eldest died last year of cancer, the baby - who was bonded to her - was utterly lost. She then tried so hard to bond with the other kitties in the house, but no one would have her. My eldest was sick for quite some time, so all the kitties knew the end was coming. She really didn't want to go, and I think at the end the other cats were frustrated by her inability to do much of anything. She was put to sleep at the house, and none of the cats were intersted in being with her. They had already accepted what neither she nor I could.

My current crew all exist in the same house, there is peace, and I believe they enjoy each other's company, but I would not be fooled into believing that any of them are bonded to one another. I don't see any of them greiving the loss of any of them. But I do believe those bonds exist (I've seen it in some of my foster kittens, and they are always required to be adopted out together), and I do believe that when they occur, mourning and greif does happen. Just as I know love and contentment and frustration and anger all exist with in the furry souls that live in my home.

Connie September 4th, 2008 05:01:00 PM

I had two cats, from the same litter. They were great mates until adolescence, and then fought each other - couldnt be in the same room together. When they were around 10yo they were again great mates, sleeping in the same bed on fireworks night to comfort each other.

Then one of them got kidney disease, amongst a multitude of other health problems, and was put down on 10 July. His brother, who had remained healthy apart from a flea allergy, seemed fine for a few days, but then disappeared.

He came back after three days, but was very weak and dehydrated. An emergency trip to the vet, who tried to save him, but it was hopeless. Congestive heart failure and dehydration sent him unconscious, so I asked that he be put down because he wasn't going to wake up anyway. I still believe he died of a broken heart.

Robin September 4th, 2008 06:59:00 PM

Kazoo was a rescue that was bald and had numerous infected lesions from mange, and he his bones stuck out from starvation. It took about six weeks, and two rounds of antibiotics and dipping for the lesions to heal, and his bones to stop poking out from his skin. He was never a very smart dog -- I blame the starvation at a young age. But Kazoo loved me and Kya soooo much.

Kya got cancer. I made sure there was plenty of pain meds just in case she declined over a weekend, which was a good thing, since that's when it happened. She was with me almost the entire time (she didn't like the bathroom, since I bathed her there, so other than my bathroom trips, we were together until her end). Kazoo didn't notice anything different.

Finally the vet was open, and they had us come in at the end of their work day. I was dosing her every time it was allowed, as much as possible by that time (it was a long weekend). Before we left for the vet, I tried to get Kazoo to spend a bit of time with Kya, but he wanted time with me instead, because he didn't pick up that her health was failing, plus he was dumb.

We returned without Kya. I went back and forth between sniffling and bawling. I did notice Kazoo roaming around looking in Kya's favorite spots. He came in where I was, when I was sobbing. He climbed on my lap, placed his paws on my shoulders, and howled. He never howled before, and never did afterwards.

He was mopey after that, so I decided not to cry in front of him anymore, since that triggered his grief in the first place. But his behavior changed, despite my not crying around him.

Kya and Kazoo always pottied in the backyard together. They'd go many different places in the backyard each time they were let out. It was weird, and funny, how much they enjoyed pottying (Kya was domineering, and exhibited male behavior many times).

After Kya passed though, Kazoo refused to potty in the backyard, to the point where he went in the house! I started taking him out in through the front yard to the field next to the front yard just to distract him (he loved leash walking). That was the only way I could get him to "go" outside.

My husband thought I was nuts when I told him Kazoo didn't want to potty in the backyard because he and Kya enjoyed their potty time back there so much. But over time, he noticed the same thing. I had to potty Kazoo in the front field for almost six months before he started "going" in the back again. One of the new yard cats decided they were best buds, and the cat always rubbed against Kazoo. I think that helped him get over his aversion to going in the back, because he'd go better when the cat was loving on him. We named that cat Shadow, because he always shadowed Kazoo.

Kazoo passed on; Shadow became a tom cat after Kazoo didn't go in the backyard anymore (Shadow was already old enough before that time to become a tom cat, so it was because he lost his buddy).

Shreela September 5th, 2008 03:46:00 AM

When my dad died, his mini aussie was in his house with him for hours. When my mom showed up to his house to see if he was okay, she heard his dog barking. When she walked in, he started running from her at the door to my dads room but wouldn't go in. Later, when we took him home with us, he wouldn't come in our house, he just laid outside under my dads truck. And when we took him back to my dads house to get his things, he refused to go inside. I do agree that dogs are mostly picking up on our emotions, but at the same time, they know. Why else would my dad's dog not go in the house even when we would?

Raelee September 5th, 2008 04:18:00 PM

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