Vet Stress C-Section Disasters…Another Good Reason Why [Most] Pets Don’t Need to Breed

November 6th, 2006  

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Brava! Brava! I hope this post gets spread far and wide.

Gina November 6th, 2006 08:51:00 AM

Thanks so much for wring this Dr. Patty! YOU ROCK! I will email this piece around....

Judi November 6th, 2006 03:22:00 PM

I just got my new Neo Mastiff puppy spayed, she was adopted 2 weeks ago from someone who didn't realize what they were getting into (82 lbs at 6 months old!). Several people tried to convince me to breed her since the puppies go for up to $1000 and I received all her documentation so I could register them. I told them that there were too many unwanted pups already, but the only thing that convinced them was when I told them many Neo's had to have c-sections and it cost a fortune to raise pups. I also opted for my regular vet to spay her instead of the low-cost societies, regardless of the higher price, I believe I received much higher care that made it worth it to me. I love your blog and have forwarded several episodes to my friends.
Carla - Miami

Carla November 6th, 2006 03:49:00 PM

Carla--Congrats on your Neo. And thanks for reading--from Miami, no less!

Dr. Patty Khuly November 6th, 2006 07:53:00 PM

I have a blue eyed Siberian and I am often asked if I am going to breed her. I tell them no, She was spayed as soon as she hit 5 months. Just to many complications and to many pup's that need homes. The dog rescue I work with spayes and neuters all dogs before they are adopted so as not to add to the hundreds of already unwanted puppies out there. Of course I would loved to have one of her puppies but I think that is best left to people who know what they are doing and know how to care for a pregnant mom and new puppies. Thanks for your blog, the information you give goes a long way toward better care of the pet population out there.
Thanks,
Kathy from Alaska.

Kathy November 6th, 2006 11:18:00 PM

I will never understand why people feel the need to breed their pets with all the humane shelters filled to the brim on any given day. I adopted my dog from a rescue group and I love her more than anything.

The worst in my mind is all these mixed breeds that people are doing now. Every visit to the local dogpark turns up some new breed that the owner is showing off after having had waited on some waitlist to receive their little bundle of fur. Cute or not, they could have gotten a "Mutt" for far less money just by going down to their local animal shelter. Rescue shelters people....plenty of lovable pets are there you don't need to further encourage the likes of backyard breeders by wanting some random mixed breed being touted as the next great dog. Mutts need love too!

Aeryn November 9th, 2006 04:39:00 PM

I own a cockatiel and I hear similarly heartbreaking stories about parrot hens who die from egg binding - surgery isn't as advanced with birds as it is with dogs. It's usually not possible or recommended at all.

Do you have to deal much with the fallout from puppy mills?

zandperl January 24th, 2007 09:00:00 PM

I have a big problem. I have a one year old neopolitan blue mastifff female, about two weeks ago i came home to a stray brindle pit bull stuck to my girl. I called around to various vets who said if I did not want to keep the puppies i could get her a doggy abortion which would in tern keep her from ever having puppies again. I would like to breed her in the future around three years of age but right now I am at a loss for what to do. I was totally unprepared. do you have any advice for me???

VANESSA HERRERA February 9th, 2007 04:56:00 PM

Dr. Patty: I love your blog. It's incredibly informative, and puts my sad little ex-vet tech rants about owner responsibilty on my own blog to shame.

Vanessa: If you don't know what to do now, how can you even imagine breeding in the future? I'm of the firm opinion that anyone who is not a responsible breeder working only to keep a breed alive needs to have their animals altered. I totally recommend a spay/abortion procedure. You're doing yourself, your dog, and millions of homeless animals a favor.

Not to mention the fact that when you weren't home, your dog was out and about with other dogs having access to her? That is completely irresponsible.

Alanna March 20th, 2007 09:42:00 PM

You really are fantastic! Keep up these blogs!

Agadore's momma March 24th, 2007 12:21:00 AM

About time someoneskeaks out

Bravo

Stubbyr March 28th, 2007 01:22:00 PM

My favorites are they "I am just gonna let her have one litter first, it makes them better dogs" people!

The other was the man I finally had talked him into getting his older male dog castrated. He then came in for something else awhile later and I noticed he still wasnt done. I asked him what happened...He said he did a lot of research and it was worse for him in the end. I asked him his sources....breeders and a single vet his Breeder recommended. While I respect a client's decision, Its hard to respect his resources.

Vet Nurse from Down Under

Thanks for the Blog, just speaks exactly how we feel everytime we do a C-section.

Natasha September 20th, 2007 09:26:00 AM

I can honestly say, I was one of those, Just one litter, then i will fix her.

My exboyfriend, commited suicide, and his family gave me his 6 week old Blone long haired chihuahua, the normal 7 pound ones, I named her Slone, his last name. After 2 years of keeping her in the house only, except walks on leashes about 2 hours I took her to a lady I knows house who actually breeds them and has been since she was 18, shes now 70 something. I bred my little girl to a broad chested red long haired chihuahua, gorgeous! He just bred with a MUCH smaller white one and her puppies were all successful, so i thought i would give it a shot, i wrote down the day she got bred and wrote the day on the calander, February 14th, yes valentines day.

On february 13th, she started getting snippy with all the other puppys, yes i had her welping box that i had put her in each night for the past month, instead of my bed lol, and around 4:30 she started having a clear fluid coming out (on the 13th) So I started keeping a closer eye on her, I had taken her to the vet on 3 occasions before to make sure everything was okay. Then, the poor puppy started comming out breeched, butt first! that was about 5, that was horrible! it got stuck at its shoulders and wouldnt come out, after NOT KIDDING! 6 hours of trying to get this poor puppy out, my mother had came by then, we knew the puppy was not living, the bag had broke, the tail had no gotten pulled off, and blood everywhere, my mother got the puppy out, with the tearing of my poor dog and her going through so much pain, we knew there was 2 in there and immediately called the vet (for the 3rd time) and wanted a c section,

the dog that we had pulled out of her had a BLACK bag that had completely formd around her head (now be aware IM NOT SURE of the exact names of things) but it was killing Slone at the same time, we got ot the vet at 11:30, just 30 minuted before valentines day, he started to do the c section, and asked if i wanted to stay, I sobviously said no, IM still in highschool i still had school, and college and work to go to, I didnt have time, So he hooked her up and asked if i wanted her fixed, I said Heck yes! Did i really want to put my poor dog through this to just get one puppy, yes i had my reasons but id rather not loose the greatest dog ever that has so much meaning to just get a puppy that could be the worst dog ever, so in the end it was not worth it

but it sure was a learning experience.

Here is a pic of her,

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=e7b6hg&s=3

Marisa Robinson April 9th, 2008 03:08:00 PM

Great article. I saved it as a refference. I'm studying to one day, in the far future, be a reputable breeder. My uncle wants to breed his GSD in about a year...ugh. She is a great and wonderful dog, but she don't fit the German Shepherd standard very well, so there's no way that she could bare a paw in improving the breed. My uncle's motive, I think, is money. Which of course is the absolute wrong motive.
Oh well...

Tiffany Carson May 13th, 2008 07:00:00 PM

Thanks for this educating article.

And Spammers on here.... p*ss off!

Barbarella Buchner September 29th, 2008 01:16:00 PM

My dog just had a C-Section that was not an emergency. She is a pug, and on an xray the doctor saw 6 pups, and one was not in a good position. Since pugs often have problems, I agreed to an elective C-Section. Everything went well, all 6 babies are two weeks old now and doing great. But, the things I did not think of are-I was the one resposible for my girl to go through the pain and fear she had. My son is without his "sleeping partner" for several weeks, and it is because of her that he stays in his bed for the last three years. My other dog, (who never had pups and is spayed) is way too interested in the pups, wanting to lick them, is stressing mamma. I had the best intentions, took the best possible care of her, but I AM SORRY I put her through this, possibly risking her life.

suzie October 22nd, 2008 03:13:00 AM

Suzie: I'm truly sorry for your pug trouble. All of us here wish you all the best. Kudos to you for coming to an understanding about this.

Dr. Patty Khuly October 22nd, 2008 11:02:00 AM

Thank you for this wonderful article. I show and occasionally breed Weimaraners, and I have a couple questions about a recent c-section my Bella had to undergo. First, let me say, Bella is an AKC Champion & she was bred with an outstanding male who holds his AKC Champion title and Senior Hunt title. We are not recreational breeders, and my plan for this litter was to keep the finest pup to show. All of our other pups are sold to approved homes only with a Limited AKC Registation and spay/neuter agreement. I am just trying to say that I am a responsible breeder. Anyway, Bella was bred back in October, and her due date was Dec. 22, 63 days from her first tie (she was bred 3 days). She went past her due date by two days, and my vet assured me all was well because she was not straining, was comfortable, and could actually have taken on the 2nd or 3rd tie, instead of the first. On the 24th, Bella had a stillborn pup. Several hours later, she had not produced another pup, and her labor appeared to have stopped completely. Oxytocin had no effect. A c-section was done, and the remaining pups were all dead. My vet believes the pups died sometime around her due date, because they were all full term and appeared totally normal. He said that since they were already gone, they did not release the chemical that sends Bella's body into labor. We have no idea why the pups died. Bella is current on all vaccines, heart worm prevention, and is very healthy. She is 4 years old and this is her 2nd litter. My vet also said Bella could have another litter after a year or so. I don't know how I feel about that. Thoughts? Thank you - I have added your blog to my favorites :)

Heather December 30th, 2008 12:25:04 PM

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